Juan Pierre to White Sox?

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Funny, i didnt know Suppan was a rookie.

 

I'm all for Brian Anderson's improvement. You have to love what he brings to the table defensively, I thinks he's an awesome kid, and everything inbetween, but it's stupid to ignore how poorly he did this season by taking away random months throughout the year. I could bat over a full season, and if I got beaned, or walked a couple times, I might get on-base at a .250 clip. That doesn't mean you should conclude that I'm a half decent Major Leaguer because I did this or that, it should be a given that I suck because of how poorly I performed over the entire season.

 

Basically, I'm not for adding, subtracting, looking at small sample sizes. A year is a rather appropriate sample size, I'm not saying BA won't improve, because he should and will most likely, but to say he's a .275 hitter because he hit that well over a couple weeks is ridiculous. No?

[witesoxfan]

I'm all for Brian Anderson's improvement. You have to love what he brings to the table defensively, I thinks he's an awesome kid, and everything inbetween, but it's stupid to ignore how poorly he did this season by taking away random months throughout the year. I could bat over a full season, and if I got beaned, or walked a couple times, I might get on-base at a .250 clip. That doesn't mean you should conclude that I'm a half decent Major Leaguer because I did this or that, it should be a given that I suck because of how poorly I performed over the entire season.

 

Basically, I'm not for adding, subtracting, looking at small sample sizes. A year is a rather appropriate sample size, I'm not saying BA won't improve, because he should and will most likely, but to say he's a .275 hitter because he hit that well over a couple weeks is ridiculous. No?

 

People arguing that Anderson had a good year because of his last 4 months are people arguing for a lost cause. Anderson had a horrible year offensively. That doesn't mean we as fans, the scouts in the stands, the coaches in the dugout, and the executives in the front office can't be encouraged by significant improvement as the year progressed.

[Heads22]

I'm all for Brian Anderson's improvement. You have to love what he brings to the table defensively, I thinks he's an awesome kid, and everything inbetween, but it's stupid to ignore how poorly he did this season by taking away random months throughout the year. I could bat over a full season, and if I got beaned, or walked a couple times, I might get on-base at a .250 clip. That doesn't mean you should conclude that I'm a half decent Major Leaguer because I did this or that, it should be a given that I suck because of how poorly I performed over the entire season.

 

Basically, I'm not for adding, subtracting, looking at small sample sizes. A year is a rather appropriate sample size, I'm not saying BA won't improve, because he should and will most likely, but to say he's a .275 hitter because he hit that well over a couple weeks is ridiculous. No?

 

If you hit 180 into June and you finished hitting 225 despite spotty playing time, I'd say that you had shown some improvement.

[NorthSideSox72]

Way to buy into the SoxTalk hype. There is no, NO way Ross Gload is a better defensive LFer than either Scott Podsednik or Juan Pierre. Ross is a solid firstbasement but the only reason he touches the outfield is because Ozzie Guillen likes to make people ask the question "why?".

Um... SoxTalk hype? I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority who want to see Gload start, and would be OK with him in LF. The hype is in the other corner on this argument.

 

And I do think that, if he played regularly, he be as good as or better than Pods in LF. Will he ever be a great, or even above average defender out there? Probably not. Maybe more like average at best. I watched him play LF, in person, in ST this year. The guy isn't as horrible out there as people sometimes think (people are, I think, overinfluenced by a series of awful plays in RF against the Cubs some time ago).

[BobDylan]

Um... SoxTalk hype? I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority who want to see Gload start, and would be OK with him in LF. The hype is in the other corner on this argument.

 

And I do think that, if he played regularly, he be as good as or better than Pods in LF. Will he ever be a great, or even above average defender out there? Probably not. Maybe more like average at best. I watched him play LF, in person, in ST this year. The guy isn't as horrible out there as people sometimes think (people are, I think, overinfluenced by a series of awful plays in RF against the Cubs some time ago).

 

If you've seen him, which I fully believe you have, I have doubts about your scouting abilities. Ross Gload is an infielder. He's never had a full season in the outfield while in the majors (and I believe also while in the minors), while Scott Podesnik has played years and years and then more years in the outfield, and that includes CF duties. Scotty Pods might not be good in comparison to other outfielders, but for the love of god, a baseball player isn't meant to be judged on having been seen once, twice or three times (unless the guy is ungodly). Gload doesn't have an above average arm, he doesn't have above average speed, and given that he has had such limited time in LF, he doesn't have the experience to get the jumps or reads Podsednik made, regardless of how poor he was. LF might be the easiest position to play in the majors, but when you look at how sad the Sox defense was last year, the last thing I want to see is Ross Gload, the first baseman, patrolling a position that was already pretty poor last year. If there is anyone off the bench that should be mentioned for LF consideration, it's Rob Mackowiak.

[Rowand44]

Ross Gload would be better than Pods out there in left field. Not a question in my mind.

[BobDylan]

Ross Gload would be better than Pods out there in left field. Not a question in my mind.

 

^^^^^

 

SoxTalk hype on Podsednik's defense.

[Rowand44]

^^^^^

 

SoxTalk hype on Podsednik's defense.

lol, ok.

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

People arguing that Anderson had a good year because of his last 4 months are people arguing for a lost cause. Anderson had a horrible year offensively. That doesn't mean we as fans, the scouts in the stands, the coaches in the dugout, and the executives in the front office can't be encouraged by significant improvement as the year progressed.

 

Excellent post. I should look at his improvement more than how horrible he performed this year at the dish. Like I said, I like him, I just don't know if you give him the starting job next season. We shall see.

[GoodAsGould]

Excellent post. I should look at his improvement more than how horrible he performed this year at the dish. Like I said, I like him, I just don't know if you give him the starting job next season. We shall see.

 

But the problem is, he really has nothing more to do or prove at triple A. And if we keep him on the major league team, having him on the bench will just stunt his growth further. So either he needs to be our starting CF to begin the season or we need to trade him.

[shipps]

Bottom line is that we waited a long time for Joe Crede to pay off and he eventually did.We have given BA a year to prove himself, then your done.Its ridiculous to think that is a smart way to go about building your team.Fill your left field position void and give BA a full year without just giving him 3 days a week in the line-up.

[witesoxfan]

But the problem is, he really has nothing more to do or prove at triple A. And if we keep him on the major league team, having him on the bench will just stunt his growth further. So either he needs to be our starting CF to begin the season or we need to trade him.

 

Trading him is just flat stupid IMO. GG defensive CFers can be impact players, even if they put up .250 20 70 .750. Anderson's still a ways from that, but he's probably capable of putting up .250 12 50 .700 or so next year, and perhaps he could produce even more than that.

 

The Sox are not going to find better production for less anywhere else. CF should be about #5 on the priority list come the offseason, with the LFer/leadoff at 1, trading a SP at 2, bullpen help at 3, the Uribe/SS situation resolved at 4, and then maybe you can look at CF. And if ARod is indeed acquired, and the plan is to play him at SS, then either no more moves will be made(if possible to do it with Crede staying), or 3B moves up on the list ahead of CF. Basically, CF should not be a concern at all going into next year, and I don't think it is.

[Drew]

Pierre in LF and leading off I suppose wouldn't be bad, but I am not calling for Brian Anderson's head after this season. He was a rookie, he made some mistakes but also showed some signs of improving and I think we'll see a markedly better BA come April.

 

There aren't many better defensive CFs out there on the market, let alone for the house money that BA is making.

 

Unless you want to go for Carl Crawford, which is still far and away what I want Kenny to put in a box with a bow under the tree this offseason.

[RockRaines]

I think going for Pierre is the wrong direction. If we are trying to pick up a lead off outfielder, there is no reason we shouldnt be agressively pursuing Ichiro.

[whitesoxfan101]

IF and only if we used him like the Angels use Adam Kennedy, IE a 200 hit, .290 hitter that steals a ton of bases and hits 8th or 9th for us, I'd like to have him. If he hits leadoff, no thanks.

[VAfan]

Um... SoxTalk hype? I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority who want to see Gload start, and would be OK with him in LF. The hype is in the other corner on this argument.

 

And I do think that, if he played regularly, he be as good as or better than Pods in LF. Will he ever be a great, or even above average defender out there? Probably not. Maybe more like average at best. I watched him play LF, in person, in ST this year. The guy isn't as horrible out there as people sometimes think (people are, I think, overinfluenced by a series of awful plays in RF against the Cubs some time ago).

 

I thought Ozzie should have played Gload in LF this year when it was clear Pods was never going to "come around." I also think he's the perfect #2 hitter -- much better than Iguchi has been -- b/c he has a high average, very low strike out rate, is a lefty, and can bunt. His splits also suggest he doesn't have to sit against lefty pitchers. Still, I don't believe the guy has a position he can play as a regular. He doesn't have nearly enough power to hold down 1B or DH, and isn't good enough as a fielder to hold down LF for 500+ ABs. We ought to be able to do better.

 

Still -- he would be a better choice than Pods or Juan Pierre. I totally agree with that.

[NorthSideSox72]

I think going for Pierre is the wrong direction. If we are trying to pick up a lead off outfielder, there is no reason we shouldnt be agressively pursuing Ichiro.

I don't think Seattle would part with him. But, if we did pick him up, for LF or CF, that would be most excellent. That would solve the problems of a leadoff hitter, solid defender and offensive presence in the OF, speed and execution.

[Rowand44]

Like I said about Carlos Zambrano, I'd kill to have Ichiro on this team. Like NSS said though, I highly doubt Seattle will part with him.

[SoxPride56]

WOW, get Pierre to go along with Ichiro and AROD, the lineup would be set.

 

CF-Ichiro

2B- Iguchi

SS-AROD

DH-Thome

1B-PK

RF-JD

C-AJ

3B-CRECE

LF- PIERRE

 

OK I think it is time for me to put the X-Box controller down LOL.

Edited October 18, 2006 by SoxPride56

[RockRaines]

I don't think Seattle would part with him. But, if we did pick him up, for LF or CF, that would be most excellent. That would solve the problems of a leadoff hitter, solid defender and offensive presence in the OF, speed and execution.

Exactly, you have to think that Seattle will have to part with him at some time if they want to improve their team in the future. They need some young talent to go along with Felix, and Ichiro wont be around when that team finally gets good IMO. With ichiro, our offense is set in my mind. The next thing we would need is some bullpen help and maybe an SP, maybe.

 

1.Ichiro LF

2. Gooch 2B

3. Dye RF

4. Thome DH

5. Kong 1b

6. Crede 3B

7. AJP C

8. SS ?

9. BA CF

 

Based on his career numbers, Ichiro would bring a .331 avg a .376 OBP and around 45 SB's a year. Not to mention making our corner OF'ers some of the best arm tandems in the league.

 

Quick edit: ichiro posted a .352 .397 against LHP last year!!!

Edited October 18, 2006 by RockRaines

[GreatScott82]

But the problem is, he really has nothing more to do or prove at triple A. And if we keep him on the major league team, having him on the bench will just stunt his growth further. So either he needs to be our starting CF to begin the season or we need to trade him.

KW needs to evaluate every position and if he feels he can get someone who can play equal to similar defense and is better offensively he would HAVE to make that move. A year on the bench won't stunt his growth too much. Look how much playing time Mackowiack had? He played in over 100 games i'm pretty sure. Remember what they did with Willie Harris in 2005? They found a better player with Iguchi late in the offseason and placed Willie on the bench. Willie was a key piece to "GROUP 4" and Iguchi was awesome. I can see KW get a new LF and CF via trade or free agency. However, I wont be too surprised if he just aqcuires a guy like Pierre to replace Pods out in LF and stick with Anderson for another season.

[Chisoxfn]

^^^^^

 

SoxTalk hype on Podsednik's defense.

The guy's an absolute joke in the field and he was a joke on the basepaths last year to boot.

[witesoxfan]

WOW, get Pierre to go along with Ichiro and AROD, the lineup would be set.

 

CF-Ichiro

2B- Iguchi

SS-AROD

DH-Thome

1B-PK

RF-JD

C-AJ

3B-CRECE

LF- PIERRE

 

OK I think it is time for me to put the X-Box controller down LOL.

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=1302975

[Chisoxfn]

But the problem is, he really has nothing more to do or prove at triple A. And if we keep him on the major league team, having him on the bench will just stunt his growth further. So either he needs to be our starting CF to begin the season or we need to trade him.

I think R&W is saying that if you can upgrade in CF you do it, you don't just sit around expecting Anderson to become great. I know one thing, I think he can be great defensively in CF, but that doesn't mean he'll be a good player. Considering our other option was Mack, BA should have been playing everyday. However, if we have the ability to upgrade to someone who can do both I see no harm in doing it because I don't think BA has shown enough of anything to ever think he'll be a solid major leaguer (thats still a big question-mark).

 

That said I know he has power potential and stolen base potential so if he can correct his holes he can be a Torri Hunter type player.

[witesoxfan]

I think R&W is saying that if you can upgrade in CF you do it, you don't just sit around expecting Anderson to become great. I know one thing, I think he can be great defensively in CF, but that doesn't mean he'll be a good player. Considering our other option was Mack, BA should have been playing everyday. However, if we have the ability to upgrade to someone who can do both I see no harm in doing it because I don't think BA has shown enough of anything to ever think he'll be a solid major leaguer (thats still a big question-mark).

 

That said I know he has power potential and stolen base potential so if he can correct his holes he can be a Torri Hunter type player.

 

Hunter didn't start hitting well until his 3rd year in the league.

 

Also, he played 99 games and had just 354 ABs in 2000.

 

If it's possible, it may not be the worst idea in the world to have Anderson be a 4th OFer while trying to get him 300 ABs. If an upgrade in LF and an upgrade in CF can come in, he could realistically play 5 games every 2 weeks and probably approach 300+ ABs...and in case of injury, he's the first one in.

 

The problem of course occurs in Ozzie getting him out there that often, but it's an idea worth comtemplating.