Dick Allen Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I've got no problem with Buerhle rooting for the Cardinals, but at some point in time he must show respect and maybe even some love for the team that drafted him in the 38th round,(the Cardinals passed quite a lot of times) and will have paid him after 2007 $28 million. Any picture you take is liable to be put on the internet. Wearing a Cardinal hat when you have been an All Star pitcher for the White Sox and the supposed ace of the defending world champions' staff, and getting photographed in it, maybe isn't wrong, although I think it probably is, but it certainly is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 05:57 PM) I've got no problem with Buerhle rooting for the Cardinals, but at some point in time he must show respect and maybe even some love for the team that drafted him in the 38th round,(the Cardinals passed quite a lot of times) and will have paid him after 2007 $28 million. Any picture you take is liable to be put on the internet. Wearing a Cardinal hat when you have been an All Star pitcher for the White Sox and the supposed ace of the defending world champions' staff, and getting photographed in it, maybe isn't wrong, although I think it probably is, but it certainly is stupid. And this after saying twice now that he wants to pitch for the Cards. Like I said, this story is getting old but it's not going away with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 12:42 PM) Whatever. The Sox will pick up his option and then he gets resigned to a contract extension ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 but at some point in time he must show respect and maybe even some love for the team that drafted him in the 38th round,(the Cardinals passed quite a lot of times) and will have paid him after 2007 $28 million. What do you want him to do? When has he not shown respect and maybe even some love for the Sox? He's been our best pitcher forever and has been a total class act. Who cares if he goes to pitch for the Cardinals some day? There is no more loyalty in baseball. Did you notice Big Hurt was wearing green this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Every time I scan the thread title I think, of course he's happy, he just finished his worse season. How happy are the Sox with him? That is the better story. Pro players all grow up with a favorite team. Most put that away and don't act like fan boys. I wonder what screen name he uses on the Card's message boards. Having said that, I love the tarp slides and his figuratively flicking a booger at baseball tradition and having fun at the World Series. Better a Cards cap than a Tigers. for a great '07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 02:06 AM) Did you notice Big Hurt was wearing green this year? Ohh boo hoo. The guy could still play and wanted to still play so because of loyalty he was just supposed to sit at home cause he wouldn't be wearing a Six uni.. It's a 2 way street so if you're going to try to use that (weak, imo) argument at least don't be hypocritical about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 08:35 AM) Ohh boo hoo. The guy could still play and wanted to still play so because of loyalty he was just supposed to sit at home cause he wouldn't be wearing a Six uni.. It's a 2 way street so if you're going to try to use that (weak, imo) argument at least don't be hypocritical about it. agreed completely Steff KW and Thomas had parting shots at one another in the offseason, but the fact remained that the Sox didn't invision Thomas in their plans, and Thomas wanted to continue playing. Thomas and the Sox had been together for 15 years, for better or worse(probably worse). Loyalty was never in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Anyone notice Jered Weaver was at the final WS game wearing full Cardinals gear? I know it's not the same, but c'mon...do you honestly think that the Angels are up in arms? Well, maybe they are , but still, it's no big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 08:35 AM) Ohh boo hoo. The guy could still play and wanted to still play so because of loyalty he was just supposed to sit at home cause he wouldn't be wearing a Six uni.. It's a 2 way street so if you're going to try to use that (weak, imo) argument at least don't be hypocritical about it. I took it to mean the teams aren't loyal to the players, why should the players be loyal to the teams? If Mr. White Sox, perhaps the greatest player to don a Sox uniform, could find himself, not by his choice, in a different uniformn, couldn't anyone? The Sox certainly won't make any accomodation to keep Buerhle until the end of his career, I don't think Buerhle will worry too much about being loyal to the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 01:11 PM) I took it to mean the teams aren't loyal to the players, why should the players be loyal to the teams? If Mr. White Sox, perhaps the greatest player to don a Sox uniform, could find himself, not by his choice, in a different uniformn, couldn't anyone? The Sox certainly won't make any accomodation to keep Buerhle until the end of his career, I don't think Buerhle will worry too much about being loyal to the Sox. Tex, the White Sox gave Frank opportunity after opportunity to prove himself...after 1999, after 2001, after 2002, after 2004, and 4 injury riddled/mediocre seasons broke the camel's back. How many people would have given Frank $1 mill during those years, let alone the multi-millions that the Sox gave him? If that's not loyalty, I'm not sure what is. He got his ring, but they couldn't bank on his health going into 2006. In hindsight, it may be a poor decision, but NO ONE in the entire MLB counted on him to be healthy this year. The A's gave him a heavily incentive laden contract, and it was simply a low-risk, high-reward type of deal. If the Sox were to have hung on to him, it would have almost undoubtedly cost more than that, because he only signed the deal with the A's after he couldn't get any other offer for a substantial amount of money from anywhere else. The A's were pretty much his only option, other than retirement. There is a line between loyalty and stupidity, and the White Sox FO knew they couldn't cross it. They didn't, and hindsight bit them in the ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 01:47 PM) Tex, the White Sox gave Frank opportunity after opportunity to prove himself...after 1999, after 2001, after 2002, after 2004, and 4 injury riddled/mediocre seasons broke the camel's back. How many people would have given Frank $1 mill during those years, let alone the multi-millions that the Sox gave him? If that's not loyalty, I'm not sure what is. He got his ring, but they couldn't bank on his health going into 2006. In hindsight, it may be a poor decision, but NO ONE in the entire MLB counted on him to be healthy this year. The A's gave him a heavily incentive laden contract, and it was simply a low-risk, high-reward type of deal. If the Sox were to have hung on to him, it would have almost undoubtedly cost more than that, because he only signed the deal with the A's after he couldn't get any other offer for a substantial amount of money from anywhere else. The A's were pretty much his only option, other than retirement. There is a line between loyalty and stupidity, and the White Sox FO knew they couldn't cross it. They didn't, and hindsight bit them in the ass. I'm not saying it was the wrong decision, but pointing out that loyalty is gone in sports. We could also examine the coming and going to guys like Baines, Alomar, etc. When it fits it fits. When the situation works for the player and the team, great. If it doesn't, I will not fault a player for bidding adieu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 02:36 PM) I'm not saying it was the wrong decision, but pointing out that loyalty is gone in sports. We could also examine the coming and going to guys like Baines, Alomar, etc. When it fits it fits. When the situation works for the player and the team, great. If it doesn't, I will not fault a player for bidding adieu. Fair enough. I can agree with that. A great example of that would be Bernie Williams and the Yankees. They did have use for him, and he could still play the field, so he signed on as a 4th OFer for them last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 03:01 PM) Fair enough. I can agree with that. A great example of that would be Bernie Williams and the Yankees. They did have use for him, and he could still play the field, so he signed on as a 4th OFer for them last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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