EvilMonkey Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” I wonder which politician has such a high opinion of the military? John Kerry http://www.kfi640.com/pages/JohnZiegler.ht...;article=457655 click on the audio link for John's praise of our military's intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Hmm, I wonder if someone is counting this as a vocational program... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I just really, really hope that he isn't the Dems' nominee for '08. None of the big triad (Kerry, Clinton, Edwards) are any good, and only Edwards is electable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Actually, I'd argue Clinton is the most electable of the three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 09:53 AM) Actually, I'd argue Clinton is the most electable of the three. You think that, at a national election level, Clinton is more electable than Edwards? I'd have to disagree. I think this country has too many people who are not ready to elect a woman, for one thing (this is NOT me, mind you). Plus the way her time as first lady went, the reputation she built, and the fact that she is seen as far left (which isn't even really accurate, but that is irrelevant). It would take a lot for her to overcome those things. Edwards on the other hand, despite that patina of used car salesman ooze, is a charming southern democrat (and who does that sound like?). He is also socially moderate. I don't like him myself, but I think he has the best chance of those three to win in a national election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Sadly, Mr. Kerry is wrong. Once they finally decide they need more troops, maybe after McCain is elected in 2008, there's going to be no choice but a draft, and then it won't matter how much education you've had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 There sure were some good choices for President last time round... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 10:32 AM) there's going to be no choice but a draft highly unlikely. actually, i'll change that to "there is no way that is going to happen". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 "If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq . It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have. The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor. Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they're afraid to debate real men. And this time it won't work because we're going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq ." - Kerry today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 06:43 PM) - Kerry today. Yeah, that's nice and all, but he DID insult them. He's toast. Just like he's been for the last 2+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Him and Kennedy are absolute dispicable hacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 06:52 PM) Yeah, that's nice and all, but he DID insult them. He's toast. Just like he's been for the last 2+ years. Actually he meant to insult the President. He misspoke. It happens a lot. Kerry may be a douchebag but if you think he intentionally insulted soldiers... well... keep drinking the kool aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 07:01 PM) Actually he meant to insult the President. He misspoke. It happens a lot. Kerry may be a douchebag but if you think he intentionally insulted soldiers... well... keep drinking the kool aid. Oh, I see, now I'll edit that part of my post where I spoke about his intentions. I don't give a rat's ass who he wanted to insult. He said pretty clearly that the uneducated end up in the military. It wasn't a statement that could be interpreted two different ways. And for the record, I supported him in the 2004 election, and it's likely I'll vote for a Dem again in 2008. But he does nothing but hurt the party now. From a pragmatic point of view, for Dems to rally around him after a statement like that would be disastrous. It'll be replayed thousands of times. I don't know if he's a douchebag. Nor will I stay up trying to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 06:14 PM) Oh, I see, now I'll edit that part of my post where I spoke about his intentions. I don't give a rat's ass who he wanted to insult. He said pretty clearly that the uneducated end up in the military. It wasn't a statement that could be interpreted two different ways. And for the record, I supported him in the 2004 election, and it's likely I'll vote for a Dem again in 2008. But he does nothing but hurt the party now. From a pragmatic point of view, for Dems to rally around him after a statement like that would be disastrous. It'll be replayed thousands of times. I don't know if he's a douchebag. Nor will I stay up trying to figure it out. Well put, I agree totally. The one thing I will say in Kerry's favor is that he definitely learned from Swift Boat. He's made it clear he won't be taking gruff sitting down. Unfortunately, in this case, he deserves the gruff (unlike the idiotic swifties). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 07:17 PM) Well put, I agree totally. The one thing I will say in Kerry's favor is that he definitely learned from Swift Boat. He's made it clear he won't be taking gruff sitting down. Unfortunately, in this case, he deserves the gruff (unlike the idiotic swifties). Yeah, Swift Boat was the first thing I thought of when I read his response. He learned WAY, WAY too late. I'd prefer he learned the graceful exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 04:14 PM) Oh, I see, now I'll edit that part of my post where I spoke about his intentions. I don't give a rat's ass who he wanted to insult. He said pretty clearly that the uneducated end up in the military. It wasn't a statement that could be interpreted two different ways. Well, at least the other statement from the Kerry camp was that Kerry totally screwed up the line. A Kerry aide told CNN that the prepared statement, which had been designed to criticize President Bush, "was mangled in delivery." Kerry was supposed to say, "I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." If you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy, you'll end up screwing up a prepared line, helping keep the President in power, and keeping the country stuck in a war in Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 07:35 PM) Well, at least the other statement from the Kerry camp was that Kerry totally screwed up the line. If you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy, you'll end up screwing up a prepared line, helping keep the President in power, and keeping the country stuck in a war in Iraq. Odd coming from Kerry, whose college grades were worse than Bush's. Ex post rationalizations don't count for anything, even if they're true. (And we'll never know.) Kerry's a dead fish. If I'm Dean, I throw him to the wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 i just read Kerry's quote, and it does seem like he was trying to question Bush's intelligence (not military personnel). haha, but the best quote from an unnamed democrat congressman... "I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 politics aside.... Darth Vader is now a bad ass AND a smart ass. too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share Posted November 1, 2006 Since Kerry thinks all the soldiers in Iraq are dumb, and Charlie Rangel assures us that almost all the soldiers stuck in Iraq are black and hispanic, does that mean Kerry thinks that blacks and hispancis are dumb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 (edited) Can somebody come up with stats to refute Kerry's claim? What's the % of college graduates in Iraq? (It's actually probably much higher than you'd expect with all of the damn reservists they were forced to call upon.) What's the % of college grads in the US workforce? This reminds me of the backlash following Cosby's comments at Temple's (actually I think it was another historically black college) graduation ceremony a couple of years ago. Who the f*** cares if they hurt somebody's feelings by backhandedly calling them dumb. They're speaking the truth. The more education you have, the less likely you'll be shot protecting your country from the fictional WMDs in Iraq. This country is so damn PC it's disgusting. Oh no, John Kerry said something that might offend our military. Boo f***ing hoo. QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 09:33 PM) Since Kerry thinks all the soldiers in Iraq are dumb, and Charlie Rangel assures us that almost all the soldiers stuck in Iraq are black and hispanic, does that mean Kerry thinks that blacks and hispancis are dumb? A little from Column A, a little from Column B Edited November 1, 2006 by Gene Honda Civic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 1, 2006 -> 01:41 AM) Can somebody come up with stats to refute Kerry's claim? What's the % of college graduates in Iraq? (It's actually probably much higher than you'd expect with all of the damn reservists they were forced to call upon.) What's the % of college grads in the US workforce? This reminds me of the backlash following Cosby's comments at Temple's (actually I think it was another historically black college) graduation ceremony a couple of years ago. Who the f*** cares if they hurt somebody's feelings by backhandedly calling them dumb. They're speaking the truth. It doesn't matter. Even if it's true on average (which I'm personally sceptical about), the military is, for many very intelligent people, their first choice. (Two of the most intelligent people in my hs class went to military academies.) Cheat, you're a smart guy. You know the difference between averages and stereotypes. If someone said, Work hard in school or you'll be like a black person, you'd know it was idiocy. But here you're asking for standard errors. Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 1, 2006 -> 01:00 AM) It doesn't matter. Even if it's true on average (which I'm personally sceptical about), the military is, for many very intelligent people, their first choice. (Two of the most intelligent people in my hs class went to military academies.) Cheat, you're a smart guy. You know the difference between averages and stereotypes. If someone said, Work hard in school or you'll be like a black person, you'd know it was idiocy. But here you're asking for standard errors. Come on. Yeah, I'm smart enough not to fall the I know 2 very intelligent people who went to military acadamies fallacy. Hell, I know 8 from within one year of me in HS, and yes, they were all very intelligent. So what? That doesn't change the fact that a disproportionate amount of our military is black, hispanic, and undereducated. Kerry was speaking to a group of students in the LA area, where dropout rates can reach as high as 50%. These are areas that are highly targeted by military recruiters. Why? because for those students who don't stay in school, and I mean stay in school through college, the only out may be through the military. And that's what Kerry was saying. You're a smart guy. You're smart enough to know that The wingnuts can spin it anyway they want. OMG, "Kerry called the military dumb," except that he never said anything of the sort. All he said was that “if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” Education as a means to a career without RPGs wizzing by your ear, in many parts of the country, that's the f***ing truth. It's a socio-economic issue that you can ignore with all the rhetoric you wish, but it's not going away until the education system improves on the whole. Kerry's call to students to work hard, to stay in school, is now being portrayed as being unpatriotic and non-supportive of our military. It's ridiculous. But it's election season, and I expect nothing less. Let's keep the focus on being politically correct, not offending anyone, and ignore the larger, actually important issues that plague this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197832/ I'm with Cheat's opinion... And to answer Cheat's question: 7% of the entire Army have college degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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