Study hard, or you will be dumb,

[kapkomet]

Really? Set time tables. We must leave. Iraq must step up now.

 

Let's see now, GOP says #3, and so do Dems. #1 and #2 are Dem debating points, so how again are they debating it?

[Jenksismyhero]

There is a debate on how to solve our problems in Iraq on Capitol Hill. Problem is, the only ones doing it are the Democrats.

 

 

Really? I've heard two things from the Dems: 'We need to get out of there' and 'This was a big mistake.'

 

Neither are answers to the problem. I'm not saying the Repubs are any better. But this is precisely the problem with the Democratic party. You'd think after losing the last 6 years they would have thought the stategy of 'point and criticize' doesn't really resonate with the electorate. The majority might think Bush is a moron and his administration has made some mistakes. But it takes more than criticism to make them change their allegiance.

[mr_genius]

Luckily you won't have to vote for him next week.

 

 

i'm writing him in for Governor of Illinois

[AbeFroman]

John Kerry sucks at politics. I wish he'd go away (I'm a democrat too)

[S720]

John Kerry sucks at politics. I wish he'd go away (I'm a democrat too)

 

John Kerry does not suck at politics. It's the Republicans and the f***ing corporate media who want you as well as others to think that Kerry sucks as a politician. I just don't get you people. Here we have a decorated veteran who has served his country, and all you Republicans want to do is to de-value his integrity so that you can glorify those who have chickened out of their services at the time when they were called to serve. You all damn know that his botched joke was not intended toward the troops but to criticize the President who did not do his diligent study on the Iraq situation before the invasion and now has led our troops to be in this dangerous situation. Do you guys still remember what Colonel Powell said, "If you break it, you own it?" Well, Bush breaks it, and now instead of owning it, he runs around and blames every f***ing thing on the Democrats. It's just so pathetic to see the President of the United States is such a crying baby.

 

You guys want to talk about blaming the troops for the situation in Iraq, read this:

 

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=75542

 

WASHINGTON, Nov. 1 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid released the following statement on House Majority Leader John Boehner's decision to blame the troops for Republican failures in Iraq.

 

"John Boehner ought to be ashamed. He's blaming our troops for failures in Iraq. If he wants to cast blame, he can start by looking in the mirror because he and his Congressional Republican colleagues have rubberstamped the Bush Administration's failed policy for nearly four years. Our troops in Iraq have performed bravely. It's political leaders like Congressman Boehner and Donald Rumsfeld, who have failed. I expect President Bush and Congressional Republicans, who demanded John Kerry apologize, hold their own party's majority leader to a much higher standard. There's no spinning his disparaging comments. He made them. He needs to apologize."

 

---

 

House Majority Leader John Boehner: Wolf, I understand that, but let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld.

 

Wolf Blitzer: But he's in charge of the military.

 

House Majority Leader John Boehner: But the fact is the generals on the ground are in charge and he works closely with them and the president.

 

CNN, 11/1/06

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Its different. Its always different.

I couldn't help but notice that you picked the one branch of the military that on average as the lowest educational numbers historically... interesting.

It was the first one I could get before having to leave for work and it was also the one asked for in this discussion.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Kerry is a terrible politician.

 

He tells the truth at inopportune times, (I voted against it, before I voted for it) and doesn't continue to back up those statements with truth, instead electing to go into damage control mode like he did today, which, incedently, doesn't resonate with voters. It only makes him look worse.

[Chisoxfn]

Kerry is a terrible politician.

 

He tells the truth at inopportune times, (I voted against it, before I voted for it) and doesn't continue to back up those statements with truth, instead electing to go into damage control mode like he did today, which, incedently, doesn't resonate with voters. It only makes him look worse.

Kerry's ideas are absolutely awful. He's a lousy ass politician, and a lousy senator. The guys track record has been voting on numerous idiotic things and he has done nothing good. I can't believe how pathetic the other candidates in Mass must be to allow Kennedy/Kerry to keep coming back.

 

God thats one group thats actually worse than the crap California keeps reelecting.

[Jenksismyhero]

John Kerry does not suck at politics. It's the Republicans and the f***ing corporate media who want you as well as others to think that Kerry sucks as a politician. I just don't get you people. Here we have a decorated veteran who has served his country, and all you Republicans want to do is to de-value his integrity so that you can glorify those who have chickened out of their services at the time when they were called to serve. You all damn know that his botched joke was not intended toward the troops but to criticize the President who did not do his diligent study on the Iraq situation before the invasion and now has led our troops to be in this dangerous situation. Do you guys still remember what Colonel Powell said, "If you break it, you own it?" Well, Bush breaks it, and now instead of owning it, he runs around and blames every f***ing thing on the Democrats. It's just so pathetic to see the President of the United States is such a crying baby.

 

You guys want to talk about blaming the troops for the situation in Iraq, read this:

 

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=75542

 

WASHINGTON, Nov. 1 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid released the following statement on House Majority Leader John Boehner's decision to blame the troops for Republican failures in Iraq.

 

"John Boehner ought to be ashamed. He's blaming our troops for failures in Iraq. If he wants to cast blame, he can start by looking in the mirror because he and his Congressional Republican colleagues have rubberstamped the Bush Administration's failed policy for nearly four years. Our troops in Iraq have performed bravely. It's political leaders like Congressman Boehner and Donald Rumsfeld, who have failed. I expect President Bush and Congressional Republicans, who demanded John Kerry apologize, hold their own party's majority leader to a much higher standard. There's no spinning his disparaging comments. He made them. He needs to apologize."

 

---

 

House Majority Leader John Boehner: Wolf, I understand that, but let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld.

 

Wolf Blitzer: But he's in charge of the military.

 

House Majority Leader John Boehner: But the fact is the generals on the ground are in charge and he works closely with them and the president.

 

CNN, 11/1/06

 

 

Well first off he does suck at politics, otherwise he wouldn't have lost the '04 election and he wouldn't have made this idiotic 'mistake.' If he was good at it he wouldn't have other Dems saying things like 'well he botched the 04 election, i guess he's trying to do the same thing in 06.'

 

Second, I hesitate to call Kerry a 'hero.' Being white and privileged, spending summers hanging out with the Kennedys and other rich Mass families, having the money and opportunities he's had, then going of to war to become a 'hero,' seemingly just to put that on his political resume, isn't exactly a 'hero' as I would define it. You may believe that crap, but I don't.

 

Who said anything about blaming the troops for Iraq? Pointing out that there's another moronic politician (shock!) doesn't take away from what Kerry said.

 

And I laugh when you say 'corporate media' spins this...I don't think we need to go into which side 'corporate media' is on, regardless of the popularity of Fox News...

 

Also, why are you so sure it was a mistake? Don't you find it odd that he at first REFUSED to apologize, but after realizing the effect he was about to cause on the mid-term elections (he later canceled ALL of his scheduled appearances) he then, almost begrudgingly, apologized?

Edited November 2, 2006 by Jenksismybitch

[EvilMonkey]

Murtha responds to Kerry! (I stole this from Ace of Spades)

 

"I want to make it clear I am not suggesting a retreat, nor handing the enemy a victory," Murtha declared in a hastily-arranged press conference. "However, I have come, sadly and slowly, to the conclusion that our current deployment of John Kerry in the campaign is creating more 'insurgent voters' than it is turning towards us. Therefore, I suggest, at the earliest feasible moment, that we withdraw John Kerry from the theater of political battle and redeploy him to nearby Okinawa."

 

Rep. Murtha's remarks immediately drew fire from Kerry partisans and various left-wing bloggers, who urged "staying the course" and keeping Kerry in the field "until the battle is won."

 

But Murtha dismissed such a strategy as "fundamentally broken."

 

"It hasn't worked for going on three years now," he said, referring to Kerry's failed 2004 campaign. "It shows no sign of progress. Therefore, it's time for fresh ideas. And one fresh idea is immediately relocating John Kerry to a country whose language he cannot speak, and whose news reports are not carried in America."

 

"It's not as if we can't bring Kerry back if we need him," Murtha continued, defending his plan. "If there are Republicans active in America -- if they threaten to take districts, or even entire states -- we can always immediately put him back into the field to fight those Republicans. His close proximity, a scant 3000 miles, three continents, and two oceans away, should be enough to put Republicans on notice that we will never bow to their attacks and their demands. But it's my belief that the only Republicans causing trouble in America are those incited by John Kerry's presence."

 

A staffer in the Kerry camp scoffed, "We had Republicans in this country before Kerry's 11/1 remarks, we still have them in this country. It's simply not true that 'cutting and running' will somehow make all the Republicans in America vanish. To even propose such a thing sends a dangerous signal to Republicans, who are only encouraged by displays of weakness."

 

The Senator's wife, Theresa Heinz-Kerry, offered a mixed opinion on the plan. "On one hand, I think John can be an important part of stabilizing America in favor of Democrats," she said as she drank her third Chivas Regal of the morning. "On the other hand, it sure would be nice to have him out of the house and living on someone else's dime. Now be a pet and mix a martini in my mouth."

[EvilMonkey]

I guess the media isn't as interested in this as the Foley story. CNN reporters actually expresstheir desire that they 'hope the story goes away soon'.

http://newsbusters.org/node/8745

http://newsbusters.org/node/8746

Edited November 2, 2006 by EvilMonkey

[mr_genius]

I guess the media isn't as interested in this as the Foley story. CNN reporters actually expresstheir desire that they 'hope the story goes away soon'.

http://newsbusters.org/node/8745

http://newsbusters.org/node/8746

 

 

we'll see if this lasts as long as "macaca gate" . they were talking about that for about a month.

Edited November 2, 2006 by mr_genius

[S720]

Bush owes troops an apology, not Kerry

Olbermann: Bush ‘appearing to be stupid’ about Kerry’s joke

SPECIAL COMMENT

By Keith Olbermann

Anchor, 'Countdown'

Countdown

 

Updated: 7:33 p.m. CT Nov 1, 2006

 

On the 22nd of May, 1856, as the deteriorating American political system veered toward the edge of the cliff, U.S. Rep. Preston Brooks of South Carolina shuffled into the Senate of this nation, his leg stiff from an old dueling injury, supported by a cane. And he looked for the familiar figure of the prominent senator from Massachusetts, Charles Sumner.

 

Brooks found Sumner at his desk, mailing out copies of a speech he had delivered three days earlier — a speech against slavery.

 

The congressman matter-of-factly raised his walking stick in midair and smashed its metal point across the senator’s head.

 

Congressman Brooks hit his victim repeatedly. Sen. Sumner somehow got to his feet and tried to flee. Brooks chased him and delivered untold blows to Sumner’s head. Even though Sumner lay unconscious and bleeding on the Senate floor, Brooks finally stopped beating him only because his cane finally broke.

 

Others will cite John Brown’s attack on the arsenal at Harper’s Ferry as the exact point after which the Civil War became inevitable.

 

In point of fact, it might have been the moment, not when Brooks broke his cane over the prostrate body of Sen. Sumner — but when voters in Brooks’ district started sending him new canes.

 

Tonight, we almost wonder to whom President Bush will send the next new cane.

 

There is tonight no political division in this country that he and his party will not exploit, nor have not exploited; no anxiety that he and his party will not inflame.

 

There is no line this president has not crossed — nor will not cross — to keep one political party in power.

 

He has spread any and every fear among us in a desperate effort to avoid that which he most fears — some check, some balance against what has become not an imperial, but a unilateral presidency.

 

And now it is evident that it no longer matters to him whether that effort to avoid the judgment of the people is subtle and nuanced or laughably transparent.

 

Sen. John Kerry called him out Monday.

 

He did it two years too late.

 

He had been too cordial — just as Vice President Gore had been too cordial in 2000, just as millions of us have been too cordial ever since.

 

Sen. Kerry, as you well know, spoke at a college in Southern California. With bitter humor he told the students that he had been in Texas the day before, that President Bush used to live in that state, but that now he lives in the state of denial.

 

He said the trip had reminded him about the value of education — that “if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you can get stuck in Iraq.”

 

The senator, in essence, called Mr. Bush stupid.

 

The context was unmistakable: Texas; the state of denial; stuck in Iraq. No interpretation required.

 

And Mr. Bush and his minions responded by appearing to be too stupid to realize that they had been called stupid.

 

They demanded Kerry apologize to the troops in Iraq.

 

And so he now has.

 

That phrase — “appearing to be too stupid” — is used deliberately, Mr. Bush.

 

Because there are only three possibilities here.

 

One, sir, is that you are far more stupid than the worst of your critics have suggested; that you could not follow the construction of a simple sentence; that you could not recognize your own life story when it was deftly summarized; that you could not perceive it was the sad ledger of your presidency that was being recounted.

 

This, of course, compliments you, Mr. Bush, because even those who do not “make the most of it,” who do not “study hard,” who do not “do their homework,” and who do not “make an effort to be smart” might still just be stupid, but honest.

 

No, the first option, sir, is, at best, improbable. You are not honest.

 

The second option is that you and those who work for you deliberately twisted what Sen. Kerry said to fit your political template; that you decided to take advantage of it, to once again pretend that the attacks, solely about your own incompetence, were in fact attacks on the troops or even on the nation itself.

 

The third possibility is, obviously, the nightmare scenario: that the first two options are in some way conflated.

 

That it is both politically convenient for you and personally satisfying to you, to confuse yourself with the country for which, sir, you work.

 

A brief reminder, Mr. Bush: You are not the United States of America.

 

You are merely a politician whose entire legacy will have been a willingness to make anything political; to have, in this case, refused to acknowledge that the insult wasn’t about the troops, and that the insult was not even truly about you either, that the insult, in fact, is you.

 

So now John Kerry has apologized to the troops; apologized for the Republicans’ deliberate distortions.

 

Thus, the president will now begin the apologies he owes our troops, right?

 

This president must apologize to the troops for having suggested, six weeks ago, that the chaos in Iraq, the death and the carnage, the slaughtered Iraqi civilians and the dead American service personnel, will, to history, “look like just a comma.”

 

This president must apologize to the troops because the intelligence he claims led us into Iraq proved to be undeniably and irredeemably wrong.

 

This president must apologize to the troops for having laughed about the failure of that intelligence at a banquet while our troops were in harm’s way.

 

 

This president must apologize to the troops because the streets of Iraq were not strewn with flowers and its residents did not greet them as liberators.

 

This president must apologize to the troops because his administration ran out of “plan” after barely two months.

 

This president must apologize to the troops for getting 2,815 of them killed.

 

This president must apologize to the troops for getting this country into a war without a clue.

 

And Mr. Bush owes us an apology for this destructive and omnivorous presidency.

 

We will not receive them, of course.

 

This president never apologizes.

 

Not to the troops.

 

Not to the people.

 

Nor will those henchmen who have echoed him.

 

In calling him a “stuffed suit,” Sen. Kerry was wrong about the press secretary.

 

Mr. Snow’s words and conduct, falsely earnest and earnestly false, suggest he is not “stuffed,” he is inflated.

 

And in leaving him out of the equation, Sen. Kerry gave an unwarranted pass to his old friend Sen. John McCain, who should be ashamed of himself tonight.

 

He rolled over and pretended Kerry had said what he obviously had not.

 

Only, the symbolic stick he broke over Kerry’s head came in a context even more disturbing.

 

Mr. McCain demanded the apology while electioneering for a Republican congressional candidate in Illinois.

 

He was speaking of how often he had been to Walter Reed Hospital to see the wounded Iraq veterans, of how “many of them have lost limbs.”

 

He said all this while demanding that the voters of Illinois reject a candidate who is not only a wounded Iraq veteran, but who lost two limbs there, Tammy Duckworth.

 

Support some of the wounded veterans. But bad-mouth the Democratic one.

 

And exploit all the veterans and all the still-serving personnel in a cheap and tawdry political trick to try to bury the truth: that John Kerry said the president had been stupid.

 

And to continue this slander as late as this morning — as biased or gullible or lazy newscasters nodded in sleep-walking assent.

 

Sen. McCain became a front man in a collective lie to break sticks over the heads of Democrats — one of them his friend, another his fellow veteran, legless, for whom he should weep and applaud or at minimum about whom he should stay quiet.

 

That was beneath the senator from Arizona.

 

And it was all because of an imaginary insult to the troops that his party cynically manufactured out of a desperation and a futility as deep as that of Congressman Brooks, when he went hunting for Sen. Sumner.

 

This is our beloved country now as you have redefined it, Mr. Bush.

 

Get a tortured Vietnam veteran to attack a decorated Vietnam veteran in defense of military personnel whom that decorated veteran did not insult.

 

Or, get your henchmen to take advantage of the evil lingering dregs of the fear of miscegenation in Tennessee, in your party’s advertisements against Harold Ford.

 

Or, get the satellites who orbit around you, like Rush Limbaugh, to exploit the illness — and the bipartisanship — of Michael J. Fox. Yes, get someone to make fun of the cripple.

 

Oh, and sir, don’t forget to drag your own wife into it.

 

 

“It’s always easy,” she said of Mr. Fox’s commercials — and she used this phrase twice — “to manipulate people’s feelings.”

 

Where on earth might the first lady have gotten that idea, Mr. President?

 

From your endless manipulation of people’s feelings about terrorism?

 

“However they put it,” you said Monday of the Democrats, on the subject of Iraq, “their approach comes down to this: The terrorists win, and America loses.”

 

No manipulation of feelings there.

 

No manipulation of the charlatans of your administration into the only truth-tellers.

 

No shocked outrage at the Kerry insult that wasn’t; no subtle smile as the first lady silently sticks the knife in Michael J. Fox’s back; no attempt on the campaign trail to bury the reality that you have already assured that the terrorists are winning.

 

Winning in Iraq, sir.

 

Winning in America, sir.

 

There we have chaos — joint U.S.-Iraqi checkpoints at Sadr City, the base of the radical Shiite militias, and the Americans have been ordered out by the prime minister of Iraq … and our secretary of defense doesn’t even know about it!

 

And here we have deliberate, systematic, institutionalized lying and smearing and terrorizing — a code of deceit that somehow permits a president to say, “If you listen carefully for a Democrat plan for success, they don’t have one.”

 

Permits him to say this while his plan in Iraq has amounted to a twisted version of the advice once offered to Lyndon Johnson about his Iraq, called Vietnam.

 

Instead of “declare victory and get out” we now have “declare victory and stay indefinitely.”

 

And also here — we have institutionalized the terrorizing of the opposition.

 

True domestic terror:

 

Critics of your administration in the media receive letters filled with fake anthrax.

 

Braying newspapers applaud or laugh or reveal details the FBI wished kept quiet, and thus impede or ruin the investigation.

 

A series of reactionary columnists encourages treason charges against a newspaper that published “national security information” that was openly available on the Internet.

 

One radio critic receives a letter threatening the revelation of as much personal information about her as can be obtained and expressing the hope that someone will then shoot her with an AK-47 machine gun.

 

And finally, a critic of an incumbent Republican senator, a critic armed with nothing but words, is attacked by the senator’s supporters and thrown to the floor in full view of television cameras as if someone really did want to re-enact the intent — and the rage — of the day Preston Brooks found Sen. Charles Sumner.

 

Of course, Mr. President, you did none of these things.

 

You instructed no one to mail the fake anthrax, nor undermine the FBI’s case, nor call for the execution of the editors of the New York Times, nor threaten to assassinate Stephanie Miller, nor beat up a man yelling at Sen. George Allen, nor have the first lady knife Michael J. Fox, nor tell John McCain to lie about John Kerry.

 

No, you did not.

 

And the genius of the thing is the same as in King Henry’s rhetorical question about Archbishop Thomas Becket: “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?”

 

All you have to do, sir, is hand out enough new canes.

[EvilMonkey]

Bush owes troops an apology, not Kerry

Olbermann: Bush ‘appearing to be stupid’ about Kerry’s joke

Olbermann owes the human race an apology for being such a poor representation of what a man is supposed to be.

[S720]

Olbermann owes the human race an apology for being such a poor representation of what a man is supposed to be.

 

Tell Bush to apologize to the more than 2,800 soldiers who have died for the senseless war. Tell Bush to apologize to the wives and the children of those soldiers who never again will experience the warmth of a father and a husband presence.

 

Wonder who is the "real" evilmonkey - the chimp?

[EvilMonkey]

Tell Bush to apologize to the more than 2,800 soldiers who have died for the senseless war. Tell Bush to apologize to the wives and the children of those soldiers who never again will experience the warmth of a father and a husband presence.

 

Wonder who is the "real" evilmonkey - the chimp?

Oh please. You sound like you are reading from Cindy Shehan's book verbatim.

[S720]

Oh please. You sound like you are reading from Cindy Shehan's book verbatim.

 

Evilmonkey, have you ever served in the army?

[EvilMonkey]

Evilmonkey, have you ever served in the army?

I attempted to join the Air Force, but my eyesight is pretty bad, so they said no. But that does not matter one hillof beans. My service or lack thereof has nobearing on whether or not my opinion on waris valid. If service/experience was required, then you should just STFU every time you utter a baseball related opinion. Unless, of course, you played professionally. Take that weak ass argument and go home.

1) Kerry f*ckedup and probably misspoke.

2) Kerry further compounded it with arogance by not apologizing right away and explaining his mistake.

3) For someone who likes to poke fun at Bush's smarts, he sure displays a lack of the same.

[jackie hayes]

Yeah, I'm smart enough not to fall the I know 2 very intelligent people who went to military acadamies fallacy. Hell, I know 8 from within one year of me in HS, and yes, they were all very intelligent. So what?

 

That doesn't change the fact that a disproportionate amount of our military is black, hispanic, and undereducated. Kerry was speaking to a group of students in the LA area, where dropout rates can reach as high as 50%. These are areas that are highly targeted by military recruiters. Why? because for those students who don't stay in school, and I mean stay in school through college, the only out may be through the military. And that's what Kerry was saying. You're a smart guy. You're smart enough to know that

 

The wingnuts can spin it anyway they want. OMG, "Kerry called the military dumb," except that he never said anything of the sort. All he said was that Education as a means to a career without RPGs wizzing by your ear, in many parts of the country, that's the f***ing truth. It's a socio-economic issue that you can ignore with all the rhetoric you wish, but it's not going away until the education system improves on the whole.

 

Kerry's call to students to work hard, to stay in school, is now being portrayed as being unpatriotic and non-supportive of our military. It's ridiculous. But it's election season, and I expect nothing less.

 

Let's keep the focus on being politically correct, not offending anyone, and ignore the larger, actually important issues that plague this country.

Late response, haven't been reading today.

 

Suppose someone says, You better work hard and get a college degree, or else you'll be stuck in Chicago. We check the averages and notice that Chicago ranks below other cities (Seattle, SF, DC, NYC...) in % of the population with a bachelor's. So you would conclude that Chicago is indeed a city that just gets those who can't do any better?

 

Overall averages don't imply anything causal.

[S720]

First of all, I want to emphasize that I am NOT here to personally attack you. I am just expressing my frustration on the injustice that is displayed in front of me. I understand we are all White Sox fans, and I just hate to see politics to get in between. So this will be my last post regarding this botched joke by Kerry.

 

Kerry messed up, and he did apologize. I think you are intelligent enough to see that no way on earth that Kerry had the intention to say that, because that would be a political career death. And I know you know damn well that there is no way the Republican Machine will let this slide by. I know you know damn well that they will unconscionably take advantage of this misspoken and not only smear Kerry's reputation but to group all of the Democrats in as well.

 

Regarding Cindy Sheehan, I am very proud of her action. Have you ever experienced the pain of losing a child, let alone to such a senseless war? I have not, but I do have children, and if my children died because of this unjust war, I probably would do the same.

 

The reason that I asked you whether or not you have served is because I find that it's kind of funny that those PUBLIC OFFICIALS who have not served are the ones that criticize Kerry the most. Below is the list of the Republican officals who have not served.

 

Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.

 

Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.

 

Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve. "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."

 

House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve

 

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve.

 

Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve

 

Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve.

 

George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.

 

GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?

 

VP Cheney - several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service")

 

Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve; received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

 

Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.

 

Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve.

 

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve

 

Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

 

George Will, did not serve

Chris Matthews, did not serve.

Bill O'Reilly, did not serve

Paul Gigot, did not serve.

Bill Bennett, did not serve

Pat Buchanan, did not serve

Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst')

Michael Savage - did not serve

Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer."

Bill Kristol, did not serve

Sean Hannity, did not serve.

Ralph Reed, did not serve

[mr_genius]

did not serve...did not serve....did not serve

 

 

so are you implying anyone that hasn't served in the military should have no opinion on foreign affairs or political speech? where is your list of democrats and mainstream media personalities that "did not serve"? where are getting this list from anyways?

[EvilMonkey]

And I know you know damn well that there is no way the Republican Machine will let this slide by. I know you know damn well that they will unconscionably take advantage of this misspoken and not only smear Kerry's reputation but to group all of the Democrats in as well.

Yeah, the Democrats would never do something like that. (Mark Foley) That would just be totally beneath them. (George Allen) Stick to the higher moral ground, as they say. (Limbaugh) The Democrats practically invented 'PC', so they should not be the least bit suprised when it comes back and bites them in the butt once in a while. When the Washington Post tries to dig up people to say GeorgeAllen MIGHT have said the N word 30 years ago and gives the Macaca story front page treatment for 3 weeks straightwhile trying to paint all Republicans withthe same brush, why shouldn't the Republicans try to get some traction from this. HE DID SAY IT. And BEFORE he issued his eventual apology, many liberal pundits weredefending him for saying it, not claiming he 'mispoke'.

 

As for Cindy, if you want, we can discuss that in a differentpost so asnot got get too far away from the topic here. I have a feeling that yours and my opinions will be pretty far apart on her.

 

And last, but not least, the same thing applies to the people youlisted. Their service record has no bearing on the validity of their views regarding war. Serving does not automatically make your view superior, or even better informed, nor does it give you a free pass from criticism.

[Texsox]

Our military, like every military since the dawn of time, sends the most expendable to the front lines. Immigrants and yes, the less educated, the poor, and those without many options. If you were a military recruiter, how much time would you spend at New Trier High School speaking to the top 10% of the class? Fortunately, some very intelligent men and women are drawn to public service of the highest order, and they are welcomed with open arms into our academies and fill the officer ranks.

 

If we are playing guess the speaker, who said that?

[Rex Kickass]

Equating Kerry's remarks with Mark Foley's actions? Please, this is just silly.

 

It's six days left until an election. And the GOP is losing on nearly every issue. So instead of defending their record, they attack.... a junior Senator... who isn't running for anything.

[FlaSoxxJim]

If we are playing guess the speaker, who said that?

 

Jesse??