Adam G Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Having Tommy John surgery Monday in California. As per ESPN News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 (edited) Holy crap, that is a huge blow to Minnie. He never should have came back and pitched in 2006. I don't know the stats, but there are only a few pitchers that came back and pitched well after the surgery. It is definitely possible, and he is still young, so I am sure his outlook is much better than most. Edited November 3, 2006 by RME JICO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Well, back to a two-team race in the AL Central next year. That is, barring something of this nature happening to either of the other good teams or some kind of miracle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 This will probably change Minn's offseason plans, they may now trade their vets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 MINNEAPOLIS -- Minnesota Twins standout left-hander Francisco Liriano has been scheduled for surgery on his ailing elbow that will most certainly keep him from pitching in 2007. Liriano will undergo Tommy John surgery Monday in California with Dr. Lewis Yocum performing and Twins physician Dr. John Steubs assisting, the team said Friday. The Tommy John procedure, which is a replacement of the ulnar collateral ligament, is named after the former Yankees pitcher. Recovery typically takes at least a year. Liriano had an outstanding rookie season, going 12-3 with a 2.16 ERA, but pitched only six innings over the final two months because of pain in his left elbow. With veteran Brad Radke expected to retire, it's a big blow to Minnesota's rotation for next year. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2648521 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Why can't we get Liriano's on our team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Damn. You hate to see injuries happen to anyone. It probably also means RIP to that Liriano slider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 http://www.startribune.com/509/story/786511.html From the Star Tribune: ...The surgery ends a lengthy period of uncertainty for Liriano. After being examined by Twins physicians and specialist Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala. -- as well as consulting with Dr. John Uribe in Miami -- Liriano was examined Friday by Yocum to determine whether the pitcher needed surgery or if he should continue to rehabilitate. "What were hoping is that Dr. Yocum will determine what the problem is and give us a solution," said Greg Genske, one of Liriano's agents. on Thursday. "Francisco is eager to determine what is wrong with him and get back to pitching as soon as possible." Liriano has been plagued by a mild strain of the ulnar collateral ligament since early August. He attempted a comeback in September but left a Sept. 13 start against Oakland in the third inning when he felt the same pain. It was determined at that time that Liriano would only need to rest the elbow before beginning a rehabilitation program. Liriano then experienced the same discomfort last month during rehab work in Fort Myers, Fla., as he went through a light throwing session. Frustrated, Liriano left Fort Myers to figure out his next move. He spent part of the time in the Dominican Republic to celebrate his birthday. Minnesota took a calculated risk and lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 That is why I think you keep the rotation and put McCarthy at AAA to start and then move someone at the break if needed. This is by far the biggest news of the offseason. I do not care what else happens in the AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Hey whatever happened with Liriano's DUI case? WHERE'S OUR LIRIANO??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I feel no sorrow for Liriano. He seems to be asking for trouble, whether it be quitting rehab or not telling people about feeling pain. Also, since the joke obviously hasn't been used enough in this thread, where's our Liriano? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Is this his first Tommy John surgery? I recall hearing that he had elbow and arm troubles with the SF organization. I don't remember what exactly it was though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) Holy crap, that is a huge blow to Minnie. He never should have came back and pitched in 2006. I don't know the stats, but there are only a few pitchers that came back and pitched well after the surgery. It is definitely possible, and he is still young, so I am sure his outlook is much better than most. People come back and pitch well from the surgery all the time. He does need to fix his mechanics though, and not throw so many sliders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 04:34 PM) This from MLBTradeRumors.com Good for the White Sox...bad for Minneapolis and Liriano. I hope he makes a full recovery! Good luck to you Francisco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Is there any reason to believe he would have recovered had he not made the comeback? It sounds like the Twins were pretty careful, but they just couldn't find anything wrong. They only went for surgery after consulting with 3 different doctors. This is one of those good-for-the-Sox-but-still-sad moments. What he was doing for most of the year was just awesome. I'm thinking of trying to get some of those games on tape, just in case he doesn't come back the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Twins are going to have to spend some money if they want to compete next season now... Radke and Liriano both out of the rotation are 2 big holes to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 And with him goes the 2007 Twins playoff chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 04:34 PM) This from MLBTradeRumors.com The part about the shoulder injury expalins alot. Frequently pitcher's with shoulder problems will drop down abit to take the strain off. However, this usually adds strain to the UCL and it can go. The reverse also happens where pitcher's with chronic elbow problems raise thier arm angle and add stress to the shoulder ala Kerry Wood. Everyone has a unique pitching style and even though we may try to correct it, sometimes the pitcher has built up an area (shoulder) and when you take the stress and move it to an area where it has not been built up over time (elbow), the tissue can't handle it. Either way pitching puts a great deal of stress on the tissues and most arms can't handle it. Pitchers from eras gone by will say "we used to throw all the time and we never had these problems. " Well back then pitcher's whose arms couldn't handle it were weeded out in the minors and only the ones with the ability to handle the stress made it. In today's MLB we bring them up faster and try to correct the problems with surgery. Alot of times I think the arms just weren't meant to handle it and they weren't weeded out. Why could Nolan Ryan still throw in the mid to upper 90s in his 40s while most other can never do it. Who knows. Sorry for the rant but I had this discussion with an old time MLB pitcher the other day and he insists "we were tougher and just founbd a way to get through it." This is a good board to vent with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 This helps us more than just about any move KW can make.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchwarmerjim Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 the budget is going up from last year because attendance was good also players like Stewart and Radke are coming off the books so far the Twins picked up options on Hunter and Silva (gag) and looks to lock up Morneau, Mauer and or Cuddyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Sad for Liriano + baseball because this kid was the new up and coming 'phenom' that a lot of sports writers and sports stations and fans put their carts behind. Great news for the Sox in regards to their competition in the ALC though. I'd love to beat the Twins at full strength though, but gotta go for the jugular when the opportunity presents itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchwarmerjim Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 07:22 PM) You know alot more than us Jim, what do you think, or what have you heard about the Twins off-season moves? You think they go after a FA pitcher or just go with Santana Garza Silva Boof Baker...? I think I read where Terry Ryan was going after a back of the rotation SP a lot of Twins fans want an upgrade at 3B(including me), but it sounds like Punto is going to stay there. and they are going after a DH and a utility infielder for a backup roll The way it sounded, the Twins are going in the off season like last offseason, looking at the bargin racks and seeing what sticks. But with Liriano out, I havent caught up on what they are going to do with that hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Liriano=Kerry Wood. Lots of talent, no way to fix horrible delivery. The only way to get him to stay in the league is make him drop the slider. The twins have some holes to fill and I really hope they bring in Suppan or Weaver or someone of that nature that we can absolutely kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 That f***s my keeper team. There is no way I am going to keep a player who won't play all year on my team when I have the reigning champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 6, 2006 -> 03:17 PM) Liriano=Kerry Wood. Lots of talent, no way to fix horrible delivery. The only way to get him to stay in the league is make him drop the slider. The twins have some holes to fill and I really hope they bring in Suppan or Weaver or someone of that nature that we can absolutely kill. You don't need to drop the slider. You just need to throw it properly. The problem usually is that the pitcher drops down to to get more slide and less drop on the pitch. This is what puts the extra stress on the elbow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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