CSF Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 From Rotoworld: White Sox players Josh Fields, Ryan Sweeney, Sean Tracey, Tim Redding and Heath Phillips have all left La Guaira of the VWL to protest the termination of the club's manager, Razor Shines. They join Brian Anderson and Boone Logan, who had already departed due to illness and injury, respectively. Shines was Triple-A Charlotte's manager last season and had recently been promoted to third-base coach of the White Sox. La Guaira is picking up Charles Thomas, Randall Simon and some undisclosed Orioles pitchers to help make up for the exodus. Source: Deportes Meridiano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Trade all of them. Right now. They're following the ways of Satan himself, Brian Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 That just shows the character of Razor Shines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 That makes me REALLY, REALLY happy that hes on our team. These guys are willing to risk their jobs for him. NICE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 I'm sure the White Sox orginization gave their approval, or even asked for them to leave... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 (edited) Wait, injury to Logan? Haven't heard anything about this. I personally believe Shines' firing gave the players an easy excuse to leave. Can you honestly imagine a group of 23-24 year olds telling themselves, "our manager from AAA was let go by La Guaira-- during winterball--that's bulls***! CMON, LET'S STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT THIS INJUSTICE! YEEEAAAAHHH!!" Really, if this were the case, I don't blame them. Honestly, would any of you want to spend a significant portion of the offseason in Venezuela playing baseball? Even if it were to improve certain deficiencies within your game? I've always been under the impression winterball is rather useless. Their competition is comprised of fringe talent and other assortment of crap. At best, it helps improve a players value; at worst, their confidence is shot. Edited November 5, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 I love it, shows their true loyalty to their coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 They should be worrying about their strike zone judgement and mastering offspeed pitches instead of about their old AAA coach and current 3B coach's part time job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 08:47 PM) Wait, injury to Logan? Haven't heard anything about this. I personally believe Shines' firing gave the players an easy excuse to leave. Can you honestly imagine a group of 23-24 year olds telling themselves, "our manager from AAA was let go by La Guaira-- during winterball--that's bulls***! CMON, LET'S STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT THIS INJUSTICE! YEEEAAAAHHH!!" Really, if this were the case, I don't blame them. Honestly, would any of you want to spend a significant portion of the offseason in Venezuela playing baseball? Even if it were to improve certain deficiencies within your game? I've always been under the impression winterball is rather useless. Their competition is comprised of fringe talent and other assortment of crap. At best, it helps improve a players value; at worst, their confidence is shot. Actually spending winters in the Carribean or Mexican leagues is quite fun. as long as you don't take it too seriously with the living conditions. It's usually a bunch of young guys making decent money here (rich down there) and most of the trips are a blast. It's a lot more fun than the minor leagues in the States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 09:23 PM) Trade all of them. Right now. They're following the ways of Satan himself, Brian Anderson. They call him "Diablo". QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 09:47 PM) Wait, injury to Logan? Haven't heard anything about this. This is all it said: "Logan has returned home with stiffness in his arm". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 10:49 PM) They should be worrying about their strike zone judgement and mastering offspeed pitches instead of about their old AAA coach and current 3B coach's part time job. Yep, so much for Fields getting some more work in left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 10:49 PM) They should be worrying about their strike zone judgement and mastering offspeed pitches instead of about their old AAA coach and current 3B coach's part time job. He wasn't fired, he was promoted. I assume now that they do not want to be fired from AAA either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 08:47 PM) Wait, injury to Logan? Haven't heard anything about this. oh no, NOOO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Anyone else besides me find Ozzie's reaction to this exidous puzzling? He seemed not to mind it at all even though all these players needed the work, and those who were playing were really struggling. Considering the reaction they had when Owens went home last year after having a great year in AA and hitting the crap out of the ball in the Winter League you would have thought he really would be pissed at these guys walking away. He basically said they weren't ready for it. If they aren't ready to play in Venezuela, they aren't going to be ready to play in Chicago. Maybe he figures they did him a big favor. It probably won't be that hard to send any of them back to AAA even if they have a huge spring. BTW, trade Fields while someone will still give up something worthwhile for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Sounds like players aren't goin back to Venezuela anytime soon; According to Williams, the Sox aren’t likely to be sending players or coaches to Venezuela in the near future. “I will send our players to the Dominican (Republic), Mexico, Puerto Rico or the AFL (Arizona Fall League),’’ Williams said Tuesday. “What’s all the worry about?’’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsfan13 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 06:19 AM) Sounds like players aren't goin back to Venezuela anytime soon; Makes you wonder how Ozzie feels about players not going back Venezuela .Too bad well never know . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 QUOTE(R.Sweeney @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 04:31 PM) Makes you wonder how Ozzie feels about players not going back Venezuela .Too bad well never know . I'd hope he'd stick up for the organization. I really don't think Ozzie cares. You can tell KW has no problem considering the hand was essentially forced and Kenny's right there are plenty of other leagues that may even be safer to play in. I know I for one wouldn't want to have to go to Venezuela for a month to play baseball if I was coming off a long minor league season already (in fact if I were a top prospect I wouldn't, now if I were fringe I may just suck it up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsfan13 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 06:54 PM) I'd hope he'd stick up for the organization. I really don't think Ozzie cares. You can tell KW has no problem considering the hand was essentially forced and Kenny's right there are plenty of other leagues that may even be safer to play in. I know I for one wouldn't want to have to go to Venezuela for a month to play baseball if I was coming off a long minor league season already (in fact if I were a top prospect I wouldn't, now if I were fringe I may just suck it up). Right and Im sure thats why BA didnt want to go in the first place .I understand that you do what the org. says but after struggleing through his rookie season he prob. just wanted some much neede rest which he ended up getting after all .I guess they dont have TUMMS down in Ven.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 QUOTE(R.Sweeney @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) Right and Im sure thats why BA didnt want to go in the first place .I understand that you do what the org. says but after struggleing through his rookie season he prob. just wanted some much neede rest which he ended up getting after all .I guess they dont have TUMMS down in Ven.. With the sorts of pathogens that could make one lose 20 pounds that rapidly...trust me, Tums don't do jack. Neither did anything else for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsfan13 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 07:15 PM) With the sorts of pathogens that could make one lose 20 pounds that rapidly...trust me, Tums don't do jack. Neither did anything else for that matter. I understand that ....just making a joke is all .The important thing is he'll be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I wouldn't want to play winter ball. After a long season, then the winter league after that can burn a player out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Nov 5, 2006 -> 01:30 AM) They call him "Diablo". This is all it said: "Logan has returned home with stiffness in his arm". I read that it was stiffness in his LEFT shoulder...which is weird. QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 04:54 PM) I know I for one wouldn't want to have to go to Venezuela for a month to play baseball if I was coming off a long minor league season already (in fact if I were a top prospect I wouldn't, now if I were fringe I may just suck it up). I graduated from high school in Venezuela (dad worked for an oil company down there). Anti-gringo sentiment aside, it's nicer than you might imagine, particularly for American baseball players. We used to see them at the nice hotel bars having a pretty damn good time. Venezuelans worship good baseball players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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