joeynach Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I know this sounds strange but I think Moises Alou could really help this club in 2007. I came across a stat in espn the magazine the other day that could improve our club. We were just dismal against lefties last year, Thome, Pods, Iguchi, and AJ were a combined like .230 against lefties last year or something. The real problem was Thome he was night and day, i think he hit like .220 against lefties with only 4 hrs last year. Anyway Alou although he only had 350 AB due to injury he hit .349 against lefties last year and drove in most of his RBI and HR against them. I think he would be a great insurance policy for thome who proved his value drop really fast with a lefty on the mound. Not to mention the boatload of quality lefties in our divison that we play many time, Lee, Sabathia, Rogers, Robertson, Santana, Liriano, Redman, etc. I think we could get alou for something like 1 year 4-5 mil and he would be huge for us. Helping spell thome as DH against tough lefties which he face fairly often. And IMHO that was a mojor problem with us against lefties last year. Having the lineup got Pods, Tad, and Thome against lefties didn't help either but this should give us some better AB's against those tough lefties where we failed last year. What do you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Who plays LF when there is a lefty on the mound? Ozuna? I like the idea of signing Alou for LF and giving Thome some rest against LHP and slotting Alou in the DH spot to give him some rest from playing the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 who bats lead off? Who bats #2? Who plays LF when RHP is on the bump? Which is most of the time BTW. Too many if's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 If Alou can bat leadoff and steal 35 of 40 bases, I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 The point is Alou plays when there is tough lefty out there who gives thome trouble, which is like every lefty. Whether he takes the DH spot or plays left field is up to ozzie but just having him in there for those situations would be huge for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I would love to have Alou on the 60 day DL. He would be the best player on our DL in many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 He smells like p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 02:03 PM) I would love to have Alou on the 60 day DL. He would be the best player on our DL in many years. Well you certaintly cant want Thome in there every game we face a tough lefty on the mounds he killed our team and middle of the lineup in that regards last year. You got a better idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Another thing about the "tough lefties" that were mentioned: Liriano is out, Redman isn't back with the Royals (Thome had a 1.000 OPS against,) Robertson was torched by him (1.255 OPS,) and he had a 1.000 OPS against Johan Santana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 07:08 PM) He smells like p. but his hands are callous-free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 QUOTE(joeynach @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 01:09 PM) Well you certaintly cant want Thome in there every game we face a tough lefty on the mounds he killed our team and middle of the lineup in that regards last year. You got a better idea? I'd take a poor lefty hitting player over a guy that's always hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 So sit Jim against the sucky lefties? JT 2006 OPS vs. lefties: .715 That's in 229 PA vs. 381 PA against righties. On a side note, I refuse to aknowledge Robertson as a "tough lefty," and I fully expect his era to take a big hit next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Lemon Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) Regarding LF: Trade Garcia to the Reds for Ryan Freel and one of their pitching prospects. Freel brings tremendous versatility, thus making Mackowiak/Podsednik expendable. Freel, who has an over .400OBP against LHP over the last three seasons could leadoff. You then can get a quality veteran to bolster the pen in exchange for Mackowiak/ or Podsednik. Edited November 7, 2006 by Chet Lemon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I don't think spelling Thome vs LHP is the biggest priority for the Sox. Not for 4-5 million either. Iguchi just needs to hit LHP better as a RH Batter and the Sox need to address the leadoff spot. If the Sox get Roberts to leadoff and play LF, he will help against LHP as he batted .292 vs LHP in 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Don't think Alou is going to settle for a platoon job, especially when he can probably get an everyday job for a team like Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) The only benefit to the White Sox of signing Moises Alou is that the Tigers and Twins, both of whom could use him, won't get him. Focus people, focus. We have better things to spend our money and time on this offseason. Leadoff hitter, LF, SS, righty reliever, resigning Buehrle, Crede, Iguchi, Dye. $5 million spent on this wins a couple extra games. $5 million replacing Podsednik wins a lot more than that. Edited November 7, 2006 by Balta1701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsfan13 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 01:10 PM) Another thing about the "tough lefties" that were mentioned: Liriano is out, Redman isn't back with the Royals (Thome had a 1.000 OPS against,) Robertson was torched by him (1.255 OPS,) and he had a 1.000 OPS against Johan Santana. Hell yeah! I seem to recall J.T hitting a few homers off of Santana this season and lets not forget that we spanked Cliff Lee like red-headed step child . Alou is a nice idea but we could find somebody else to get the job done . If we did this who will remind Alou to take his geriatric pills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 QUOTE(Chet Lemon @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 02:43 PM) Regarding LF: Trade Garcia to the Reds for Ryan Freel and one of their pitching prospects. Freel brings tremendous versatility, thus making Mackowiak/Podsednik expendable. Freel, who has an over .400OBP against LHP over the last three seasons could leadoff. You then can get a quality veteran to bolster the pen in exchange for Mackowiak/ or Podsednik. i'd listen to something like that....i like freel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Lemon Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 why not just sign all the ex-sox players in Free Agency to solve all of our problems Frank Thomas, 1B Ray Durham, 2B Jose Valentin, SS Tony Graffanino, 3B/RF Carlos Lee, LF Kenny Lofton, CF Geoff Blum, RF/3B Sandy Alomar Jr., C Orlando Hernandez, SP Kip Wells, SP Scott Schoeneweis, SP/RP Rick White, RP Roberto Hernandez, RP Jeff Nelson, RP Dustin Hermanson, RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 11:08 PM) The only benefit to the White Sox of signing Moises Alou is that the Tigers and Twins, both of whom could use him, won't get him. Well, that, and the extra 35-40 homers we'd have in LF, and the OBP of around .360. Focus people, focus. We have better things to spend our money and time on this offseason. Leadoff hitter, LF... Leadoff hitter? Tadahito Iguchi. Left fielder? Umm.... Alou would play left. We're not talking about Eric Byrnes here, a guy who is only good as a platoon partner. Alou may be turning 40 next year, but the guy can still rake, plain and simple, against lefties or righties. $5 million spent on this wins a couple extra games. $5 million replacing Podsednik wins a lot more than that. If all Alou is asking for is five million, I hope to God the Sox sign him. The Sox would have the best bargain OF in all of baseball. For under $13 million bucks, 80+ homers, 200+ RBIs, and a good defensive CFer. And to think, Carlos Lee is about to get a contract around that amount of money for just one season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Ryan Freel will not get anywhere near the White Sox as long as Williams is the GM. You have to remember KW is looking for character guys and Freel is the complete opposite of what he's looking for seeing how he's a psychopathic drunkard and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 11:10 PM) Ryan Freel will not get anywhere near the White Sox as long as Williams is the GM. You have to remember KW is looking for character guys and Freel is the complete opposite of what he's looking for seeing how he's a psychopathic drunkard and all. Wtf, when you say it, it almost sounds as if it were a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 No to Alou. The sox need to get more athletic. They don't need to turn into the SF Giants of the AL. IIRC, Alou was one of the leaders on the cubs who'd be glad not to play once the cubs were eliminated from the playoff race in September, laughing about it with the media. Doesn't sound like an Ozzie guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 This isn't a new idea -- I think SantoDorf or someone put it up first -- but count me among those who think it is a good idea if Alou would settle for a 1-year deal, or maybe 1 guaranteed year plus an option, for something less than the $7.5 million he received last season. Our 2006 club couldn't hit lefties very well, and we had a huge hole in LF. Alou would very nicely help in both categories without standing in the way of developing other players. And he'd be a better lead off hitter than Scott Podsednik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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