Rangers Have Interest in Garland

[WHarris1]

My nomination for president last term was all but done as well.

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[cwsfan13]

Well in Texas's situation, they will probably lose Vince Padilla in FA, along with Kip Wells and Adam Eaton. So that's a few SP that they are likely gonna hav to replace. Hence why they are thinking of trading some of their prospects to get a proven starter, because it's hard to get one for fair market value in FA because of the demand for it.

 

You have to remember, the reason we would trade for young SP prospects is because we would want them to step in for 2008 if a Buehrle or Garcia bolted. Hurley and Danks should both be ready to contribute for 2008 along with Lance Broadway.

 

And then you could trade a 2nd starter like Vazquez to the Mets for a package around Pelfrey, and try to sign a SP in FA like Batista on an inflated short - term deal.

Kw is in a real tough situation .He trying to put the winning pieces together and take care of the future all in the same off-season .

 

Im all for getting pitchers for our future ,especially considering the only pitcher we have that could be ready for 08 is Broadway .KMc is looking good so far and moving through the sytem at about the same pace that Broadway has been moving but is at least prob. 2 yrs away.

 

I just hate to see Garland go thats all .

[DBAHO]

Kw is in a real tough situation .He trying to put the winning pieces together and take care of the future all in the same off-season .

 

Im all for getting pitchers for our future ,especially considering the only pitcher we have that could be ready for 08 is Broadway .KMc is looking good so far and moving through the sytem at about the same pace that Broadway has been moving but is at least prob. 2 yrs away.

 

I just hate to see Garland go thats all .

To get 2 possible top 3 rotation SP's and a future SS provided he can improve with the bat (Arias is pretty speedy and good defensively IIRC as well) I think is a deal you would just have to take if it was on offer.

 

Remember for Vazquez we gave up a future CF and a injury prone SP who got traded by the D-Backs a few months later. EDIT: Oh and forget Vizcaino

 

And where's Flash to back me up on this?

[witesoxfan]

I'll say this, you can't turn down Hurley, Danks, and Arias for any of our starters, period. It would suck to have to give up Garland, but if Daniels is willing to give up those 3, whatever, let it be.

[cwsfan13]

To get 2 possible top 3 rotation SP's and a future SS provided he can improve with the bat (Arias is pretty speedy and good defensively IIRC as well) I think is a deal you would just have to take if it was on offer.

 

Remember for Vazquez we gave up a future CF and a injury prone SP who got traded by the D-Backs a few months later. EDIT: Oh and forget Vizcaino

 

And where's Flash to back me up on this?

How was Arias with the glove ,I mean his errors ? I saw his stats too and even though his average is low I liked his xtra base hits and he shows base-stealing potential depite only stealing about 65% .He does show some promise ,hes just not ready for the Majors yet .

[fathom]

And it was all but done from what I've seen.

 

Yep, there was a press release drafted for it.

[WHarris1]

Yep, there was a press release drafted for it.

Ya, so no closer than RockRaines nomination for president.

Edited November 17, 2006 by WHarris1

[Heads22]

How was Arias with the glove ,I mean his errors ? I saw his stats too and even though his average is low I liked his xtra base hits and he shows base-stealing potential depite only stealing about 65% .He does show some promise ,hes just not ready for the Majors yet .

 

The space comes after punctuation, not before it. I just can't get past it, sorry.

[Gene Honda Civic]

The space comes after punctuation, not before it. I just can't get past it, sorry.

It's so consistent .I've started to wonder if the name "R.Sweeney" wasn't a typo .He had to mean "R .Sweeney ."

[southsideirish71]

I have a new analogy when it comes to our fine guesser Mr. Levine.

 

The only thing that makes a rumor more worthless than hearing the bombadeer give his word on it from ESPN 1000, is to see it in print on mlbtraderumors.com.

 

 

Either one is the kiss of death.

[Kyyle23]

The space comes after punctuation, not before it. I just can't get past it, sorry.

 

LOL, I think the exact same thing everytime I read one of his posts. They are unique, however.

 

I'm gonna st.art putting periods wherever I want to as well

Edited November 17, 2006 by kyyle23

[shoota]

Bruuuuce the goose Levine said JG for young arms???

 

Jon Garland is currently the Sox's best pitcher. He should be untouchable since he will be needed to meet the team's objective of winning the World Series.

 

Perhaps I have a severely selfish outlook, but I hate trades in which quality players depart. KW needs to acquire phenomenal players without giving up anything of value. I only approve lopsided trades favoring the Sox, trading for players with a poor history who immediately turn into All-Stars once on the Sox, drafting MVPs and free agent signings.

 

I frown on mistakes, so perfection is desired.

Edited November 17, 2006 by shoota

[witesoxfan]

Jon Garland is currently the Sox's best pitcher. He should be untouchable since he will be needed to meet the team's objective of winning the World Series.

 

Perhaps I have a severly selfish outlook, but I hate trades in which quality players depart. KW needs to acquire phenomenal players without giving up anything of value. I only approve lopsided trades favoring the Sox, trading for players with a poor history who immediately turn into All-Stars once on the Sox, drafting MVPs and free agent signings.

 

I frown on mistakes, so perfection is desired.

 

You should really start rooting for the Yankees

[GreatScott82]

i'm not really a big fan of the cotts deal, but if kw trades our best pitcher, i would officially be off the kw bandwagon. that would be horrible

[witesoxfan]

Why are people gushing over a 4.50 ERA?

 

I don't understand it.

 

The ONLY thing Garland did was pitch well during a stretch where our pitching was pretty much all-around horrible.

[GreatScott82]

Why are people gushing over a 4.50 ERA?

 

I don't understand it.

 

The ONLY thing Garland did was pitch well during a stretch where our pitching was pretty much all-around horrible.

hmm maybe that he has back-to-back 18 win seasons, he's still young, getting better. proven to be clutch in the playoffs and in big games, he's signed for 3 more years. you may call it gushing, im saying sox fans who dont want to see him go are smart. especially since we have 2 pitchers heading into their final year of their contract. trading buerhle or garcia just makes more sense to me.

[Gene Honda Civic]

2 more years, but who's counting?

[GreatScott82]

2 more years, but who's counting?

oh yes i forgot that 2006 was apart of the 3 year deal he signed last offseason. well 2 years is better than 1 year. gotta keep jon g!

[TitoMB345]

hmm maybe that he has back-to-back 18 win seasons, he's still young, getting better. proven to be clutch in the playoffs and in big games, he's signed for 3 more years. you may call it gushing, im saying sox fans who dont want to see him go are smart. especially since we have 2 pitchers heading into their final year of their contract. trading buerhle or garcia just makes more sense to me.

 

I wouldn't go as far as to say he is "clutch" in the playoffs. He has only played in 2 playoff games. Don't get me wrong, he dominated in the playoffs last season, but I don't think 2 games is enough to be clutch.

 

I agree though, Garland should definately not be traded. Winning 18 games in two straight seasons is good, whether you consider wins a real stat or not. Garcia and/or Buehrle should be traded before Garland.

[DBAHO]

Perhaps I have a severely selfish outlook, but I hate trades in which quality players depart. KW needs to acquire phenomenal players without giving up anything of value. I only approve lopsided trades favoring the Sox, trading for players with a poor history who immediately turn into All-Stars once on the Sox, drafting MVPs and free agent signings.

 

I frown on mistakes, so perfection is desired.

And I'm sure the fans of every other ballclub would love this too, as would the general managers of each team who would love to pull trades like this.

 

But, in order to get something, you have to give up something.

[shoota]

Why are people gushing over a 4.50 ERA?

 

I don't understand it.

 

The ONLY thing Garland did was pitch well during a stretch where our pitching was pretty much all-around horrible.

 

Perhaps my positive perception of JG is higher than it should be because he's the best and most reliable pitcher on a staff of inconsistent, injured pitchers. Buehrle followed a great first half with the worst half of his career; Contreras is old and fell very short of his peak ability because of injury; Vazquez's mercurial starts are the antonym of reliable, and his performances hint at mental hinderances; Garcia's body failed him by sapping life from his fastball, and will try to prolong his career deceiving hitters with an arsenal of junk.

 

I value Jon's stability because that feature is linked with future performance. Jon's 2006 campaign like his entire major league career reveals a pitcher who doesn't fall to injury or even missed starts, has never had to alter his pitching motion to mask pain, and is a good pitcher. Jon's combination of pitching performance and stability are qualities that forecast good odds for future success.

Edited November 17, 2006 by shoota

[DBAHO]

Jon's 1st 2 months of the 06 season were terrible FWIW IIRC.

[shoota]

And I'm sure the fans of every other ballclub would love this too, as would the general managers of each team who would love to pull trades like this.

 

Right, and since I'm a fan of the White Sox, I want my general manager to be the smartest and most influential GM in sports.

 

But, in order to get something, you have to give up something.

 

Not true. Bad trades still occur, and I desire the Sox's GM to frequently win and never lose those types of trades. Also, I find it acceptable for my GM to draft the best future major league players.

Edited November 17, 2006 by shoota

[witesoxfan]

hmm maybe that he has back-to-back 18 win seasons, he's still young, getting better.

 

Rick Helling won 20 games one year, was he a good starter? 4.41 ERA, 1.33 WHIP. Looks more like a middle of the rotation starter who ran into some offensive support(read: Jon Garland).

 

proven to be clutch in the playoffs and in big games

 

Buehrle, Garcia, and Contreras are all big game pitchers too, what's your point?

 

you may call it gushing, im saying sox fans who dont want to see him go are smart.

 

I don't want to see him go, but making him untouchable is stupid. If you can bring in 3 prospects for him, such as Hurley, Danks, and Arias, you do it.

 

especially since we have 2 pitchers heading into their final year of their contract. trading buerhle or garcia just makes more sense to me.

 

That's true, but if you can get more for Garland and resign Buehrle to about a 4-year, $52 mill deal, you do it. And nothing is stopping anyone from trading Freddy too, there just becomes a necessity to bring in a quality 5th starter at that point.

[Flash Tizzle]

Right, and since I'm a fan of the White Sox, I want my general manager to be the smartest and most influential and GM in sports.

Not true. Bad trades still occur, and I desire the Sox's GM to frequently win and never lose those types of trades. Also, I find it acceptable for my GM to draft the best future major league players.

Son, I like the way you're put together.

 

Extracting this philosophy of holding our organization to high standards, which I often cite, is why I EXPECT Williams to orchestrate a trade which heavily favors us this offseason. Such a scenario centers around our starting pitching staff. If he's unable to sell any of our five starting pitchers above what an impartial observal may deem equal value, something is wrong. Especially in this market of outrageous demands where so few candidates are worthy of their contracts.

 

Why should I expect so little in return when I know if the situation were flipped, and we were the ones acquiring a veteran pitcher, Williams would overpay for a starting pitcher.

 

The entire purpose of shopping all five starters to the most generous bid during peek demand is making sure we don't have to "give something to get something."

 

/time for my prozac now!111