Rangers Have Interest in Garland

[cwsfan13]

I'd take Hurley in the deal instead of including Otsuka.

 

You can always go out and sign Justin Speier in the FA market instead.

Good point man. The Sox would have more money to spend after trading salary.

 

I hope I put the periods in the right places this time.

[greasywheels121]

Good point man. The Sox would have more money to spend after trading salary.

 

I hope I put the periods in the right places this time.

 

[DBAHO]

The thing is, if Anderson is included in this deal, are we going to go out and try to sign say a J.D Drew, trade for a Chone Figgins, or are we going to give the reins to Ryan Sweeney for 2007?

[chisox2334]

Watch kenny deny the rumor tommrrow in the tribeune.

[cwsfan13]

I'm starting to like you.

Oh s***, how did that happen?

 

The thing is, if Anderson is included in this deal, are we going to go out and try to sign say a J.D Drew, trade for a Chone Figgins, or are we going to give the reins to Ryan Sweeney for 2007?

Um I dont know. Im thinking with Sweeney being 2 yrs younger and steadily improving that maybe BA is expendable. Either way they still have to sign or trade to fill in the LF spot.

[DBAHO]

More on Hurley and Danks;

 

Eric Hurley, RHP

Promoted to Double-A Frisco on July 24th. In six starts, he is 3-1, 1.95, with a 31/11 K/BB in 37 innings, allowing 21 hits.

Obviously the early results on this transition are quite positive. He is actually pitching better than he did for Class A Bakersfield, where he was 5-6, 4.11 with a 106/32 K/BB in 101 innings. His Cal League numbers were quite good for the context, but he's been even more effective in the Texas League. His K/IP has slipped slightly, but his walk rate has remained steady and there has been no slippage in his H/IP. Even his home run rate virtually the same.

I think the ERA overstates things a bit, and he's been hit-lucky: his BABIP is .198 for Frisco, which is unlikely to be sustainable. It was .306 for Bakersfield. But what matters most to Hurley's future is his command, and the fact that his walk rate has remained steady is an excellent sign. I rated him as the best Texas pitching prospect entering the season, even ahead of Danks and Volquez, and I'm increasingly comfortable with that call. Grade A-.

 

Danks has been an outstanding pitcher and has only struggled when pushed to higher levels of competition (hitter's leagues, at that).

 

Danks is younger. Danks has a better fastball and a better curveball. Danks shows better promise with his changeup. Those are all good arguments as to why Danks is a better prospect, and he's a lefty to boot.

 

John Danks, Rangers, 9th overall (University of Texas)

FIRST ROUNDER?: Not sure. His arm strength is first-class, but his pro track record is somewhat erratic. This year he is 4-4, 4.55 in Double-A, although his 72/18 K/BB in 57 innings is very impressive. I think he'd definitely be a first rounder but would that be early in the round or late?

 

I think the assessment of Danks as "erratic" is a little off. He was just really bad early on, but for the last two months, he's been damn good.

[shoota]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6185140

 

The current construction of the White Sox is that of a contending World Champion. Thus, I find it puzzling that KW is allegedly in pursuit of acquiring unproven players in exchange for his best pitcher.

[cwsfan13]

The current construction of the White Sox is that of a contending World Champion. Thus, I find it puzzling that KW is allegedly in pursuit of acquiring unproven players in exchange for his best pitcher.

Well with 2 starters and 1 arb. eligable for 08 hes does need to get something going for the future. All we have for youth as of now for 08 is Broadway unless KMc grows up real fast. We all know that KW doesnt live on the free-agent market.

[Flash Tizzle]

The thing is, if Anderson is included in this deal, are we going to go out and try to sign say a J.D Drew, trade for a Chone Figgins, or are we going to give the reins to Ryan Sweeney for 2007?

If Anderson is included, Texas absolutely has to include Hurley. Garland + Anderson for Danks/Hurley/Basset is about what I"d expect. We shouldn't be looking to trade for equal value here. This is our opportunity to take advantage of surplus pitching.

 

It's difficult to expect a legitimate upgrade in LF/CF, however, unless prospects obtained from Garland (added with our package) were sent to TB for Crawford.

 

Do you believe we'll pay 13-14 million a year for J.D. Drew? I'd think a trades for Figgens alone may occur, in which some combination of prospects would be sent over. Problem is, who exactly would they want? Sweeney would probably be platooned in CF, and we're not exactly stacked with anything else. I'd say, see if Anaheim might want Fields and Broadway.

Edited November 19, 2006 by Flash Tizzle

[beautox]

Diamond is overated.... whatevr we end up recieving from the Rangers I really hope Diamond is not one of the prospects involved.

I agree, everything i've read on Diamond is that he is in the same class as Juan Morillo, yes he has a 97mph heater, but he hasn't developed any secondary pitches.

[maggsmaggs]

If Anderson is included, Texas absolutely has to include Hurley. Garland + Anderson for Danks/Hurley/Basset is about what I"d expect. We shouldn't be looking to trade for equal value here. This is our opportunity to take advantage of surplus pitching.

 

It's difficult to expect a legitimate upgrade in LF/CF, however, unless prospects obtained from Garland (added with our package) were sent to TB for Crawford.

 

Do you believe we'll pay 13-14 million a year for J.D. Drew? I'd think a trades for Figgens alone may occur, in which some combination of prospects would be sent over. Problem is, who exactly would they want? Sweeney would probably be platooned in CF, and we're not exactly stacked with anything else. I'd say, see if Anaheim might want Fields and Broadway.

 

Chone is good player, but not good enough for that type package. I think Fields playing as a rookie next year could come close to Chone's value. IMO, Fields would have a better OPB and SLUG (Chone's was .336 last year, not mention only .376 slugging.) I think Fields could hit close to hit .250, which is only .17 off Chone's. Add the fact that Josh in a full year could steal 15 bases, and hit 15 homers, don't even think to include in a possible deal for a leadoff hitter unless its Crawford.

[cwsfan13]

I agree, everything i've read on Diamond is that he is in the same class as Juan Morillo, yes he has a 97mph heater, but he hasn't developed any secondary pitches.

He throws 97! That would explain his high walks.

 

A 1 pitch pitcher with alot of walks means no control.

 

Im not sold on him either but he is young and could still develope another pitch or two and learn to locate pitches better.

[ptatc]

If Anderson is included, Texas absolutely has to include Hurley. Garland + Anderson for Danks/Hurley/Basset is about what I"d expect. We shouldn't be looking to trade for equal value here. This is our opportunity to take advantage of surplus pitching.

 

It's difficult to expect a legitimate upgrade in LF/CF, however, unless prospects obtained from Garland (added with our package) were sent to TB for Crawford.

 

Do you believe we'll pay 13-14 million a year for J.D. Drew? I'd think a trades for Figgens alone may occur, in which some combination of prospects would be sent over. Problem is, who exactly would they want? Sweeney would probably be platooned in CF, and we're not exactly stacked with anything else. I'd say, see if Anaheim might want Fields and Broadway.

 

This is probably one of the most feasible of the suggestions on the board. If you truly want three players particularly pitchers from another team we will not to give up more than one of our starters. I like this deal alot.

[beautox]

He throws 97! That would explain his high walks.

 

A 1 pitch pitcher with alot of walks means no control.

 

Im not sold on him either but he is young and could still develope another pitch or two and learn to locate pitches better.

 

 

The way this market is, and the fact Boras is going to proclaim that Zito is in the same class as Steve Carlton, we better get a lopsided deal for Garland, hes young, and under control for two more years on the cheap.

 

The Known(Garland) > The Unknown(Hurley, Danks, Diamond, Volzquez)

[Flash Tizzle]

Chone is good player, but not good enough for that type package. I think Fields playing as a rookie next year could come close to Chone's value. IMO, Fields would have a better OPB and SLUG (Chone's was .336 last year, not mention only .376 slugging.) I think Fields could hit close to hit .250, which is only .17 off Chone's. Add the fact that Josh in a full year could steal 15 bases, and hit 15 homers, don't even think to include in a possible deal for a leadoff hitter unless its Crawford.

He did show patience in limited AB's last season, but I'm not so sure he'd mach Figgens numbers. Slugging, perhaps, but with far more strikeouts and a FAR lower average.

 

You have to imagine, unless Crede is traded, he's practically blocked from a roster spot. Even in LF where there's not a suitable replacement for Pods! You can't have 2/3 of an outfield consisting of Sweeney and Fields, especially with uribe at short.

 

Fields leaves, and Crede stays, I believe they'll seriously begin contract negotiations. Boras or not. Even if they don't, Crede's our through 2008.

[DBAHO]

Hurley, Danks and Massett for Garland and Anderson is really the deal I want KW to be pushing for here.

 

Both Hurley and Danks will be able to step in for 2008 I would have thought, and will be under our control for 6 seasons.

 

Broadway will also be ready for 2008 as well I would have thought, so that's 3 potential starters who can jump up from the minors.

 

And say for example if Buehrle, Garcia and Dye all left as free agents, we would get something like 6 draft picks wouldn't we (because I assume they would all be type A FA's)? But that's not to say I don't want them all to leave.

 

And that's why Texas is probably going to trade a couple of pitching spects. They'll get draft picks for Carlos Lee and Matthews Jr. leaving in FA.

[Greg The Bull Luzinski]

For those of that are actually keeping track:

 

Freddy is going to the Angels

 

Javy is going to the Mets

 

Garland is going to Texas

 

Buehrle is going somewhere the Foxsports has yet to determine.

 

 

Rotation for next year:

 

Count

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Believe everything you read!

[cwsfan13]

For those of that are actually keeping track:

 

Freddy is going to the Angels

 

Javy is going to the Mets

 

Garland is going to Texas

 

Buehrle is going somewhere the Foxsports has yet to determine.

Rotation for next year:

 

Count

BMac

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Believe everything you read!

Thats awesome man. From now on I wont believe any rumors til I here them from you first .

[beck72]

Have any names been mentioned, besides Anderson and Garland for Danks, etc? I'd have to say a bullpen guy from the Rangers along with Danks and others.

[Flash Tizzle]

Have any names been mentioned, besides Anderson and Garland for Danks, etc? I'd have to say a bullpen guy from the Rangers along with Danks and others.

If 'bullpen arm' equals Massett and 'others' equals Hurley, then I'd say you're onto something.

 

Not directly related to this topic, but earlier on ESPN News there was a segment on the Angels persuing Zito. If Anaheim could land Zito it helps us tremendously with Texas and New York. Mets may be pushed into a bidding war with Texas if they feel they're close. That's atleast what I hope. If Glavine leaves for Atlanta it would be even better.

[Greg The Bull Luzinski]

If 'bullpen arm' equals Massett and 'others' equals Hurley, then I'd say you're onto something.

 

Not directly related to this topic, but earlier on ESPN News there was a segment on the Angels persuing Zito. If Anaheim could land Zito it helps us tremendously with Texas and New York. Mets may be pushed into a bidding war with Texas if they feel they're close. That's atleast what I hope. If Glavine leaves for Atlanta it would be even better.

 

 

All the more reason not to rush into anything prematurely.

[3E8]

Have any names been mentioned, besides Anderson and Garland for Danks, etc? I'd have to say a bullpen guy from the Rangers along with Danks and others.

Otsuka has had been mentioned, but that may have only been speculation. He's been consistently good, but will be 34 I believe to start the season. Others have thrown out the name of relief pitching "prospect" Masset, but his periphs do not impress me whatsoever and I think he should have next to zero value as a piece in any deal with us.

 

Fact is pitching is at a serious premium these days and Garland averages over 200 IP/year with 36 wins the last two seasons. Playing for great teams aside, those are still important stats. Garland and Anderson for Danks and Hurley would leave me disappointed.

[beck72]

If 'bullpen arm' equals Massett and 'others' equals Hurley, then I'd say you're onto something.

 

Not directly related to this topic, but earlier on ESPN News there was a segment on the Angels persuing Zito. If Anaheim could land Zito it helps us tremendously with Texas and New York. Mets may be pushed into a bidding war with Texas if they feel they're close. That's atleast what I hope. If Glavine leaves for Atlanta it would be even better.

The sox should get Danks and another SP prospect. But I'm talking about an arm that can step right in for 2007. Besides their closer--which isn't happening-- Scott Feldman looks like a possible arm the sox could or should want included in any deal. He's a 23 yr old RHP who had a 3.92 ERA and a 2.30+ GB/ FB ratio in 41 IP for texas last year.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/Scott-Feldman.shtml

[Gregory Pratt]

Wonder if we could deal Garland and Cintron for Young and the pitching prospects? Garland and Uribe, even, if we had to, but it sure be nice to ship off Cintron who is, IMO, too expensive for a backup and not as good as Uribe. Then we could ship out Uribe or Tadahito and replace whichever with Young, though in that case I'd rather move Iguchi since he's in his last year.

 

Just speculation, of course, but it be interesting.

[cwsfan13]

Wonder if we could deal Garland and Cintron for Young and the pitching prospects? Garland and Uribe, even, if we had to, but it sure be nice to ship off Cintron who is, IMO, too expensive for a backup and not as good as Uribe. Then we could ship out Uribe or Tadahito and replace whichever with Young, though in that case I'd rather move Iguchi since he's in his last year.

 

Just speculation, of course, but it be interesting.

I see what your saying about cintron making 1.6m and up for arbitration but looking at this financially I would dump Rob Mac. instead. He is a bit pricey at 2.75m for 07. Especially for a guy who is a terrible OF but he is good to have around to back up Crede.