Rangers Have Interest in Garland

[beck72]

Here's a write up on Feldman from Baseball AMerica's 2006 Prospect handbook: #15 prospect

 

"Feldman's fastball velocity increased from 88-90 mph early in the yr [2005] to 91-93 by the time he received a mid-August callup to Texas. His fastball has plus life and good sink, inducing bushels of groundballs. He has a loose whippy arm and a deceptive sidearm delivery. He shows plus-plus command against righties moving the ball around the zone but typically keeping it down. Feldman compliments his fastball with an average sweeping slider. He also has a changeup to employ against lefties as a show pitch. He still needs to improve at getting lefties out, and the Rangers think he eventually will become a middle reliever. For now, he figures to be aright-on-right specialist for Texas"

 

Sounds like Chad Bradford, but about 10 years younger and $15 million cheaper.

[Flash Tizzle]

Otsuka has had been mentioned, but that may have only been speculation. He's been consistently good, but will be 34 I believe to start the season. Others have thrown out the name of relief pitching "prospect" Masset, but his periphs do not impress me whatsoever and I think he should have next to zero value as a piece in any deal with us.

 

Fact is pitching is at a serious premium these days and Garland averages over 200 IP/year with 36 wins the last two seasons. Playing for great teams aside, those are still important stats. Garland and Anderson for Danks and Hurley would leave me disappointed.

I agree about Masset. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't know what anyone from our organization sees in him. An article I came across recently suggested White Sox scouts (who followed the Rangers system near the end of the season) were interested in him. May have been Foxsports.com I honestly can't remember, as I've been reading through so many articles and message boards these last few few days.

 

Garland and Anderson for Danks/Hurley/Masset may be the best we can expect. New York is unwilling to trade Pelfrey and Santana appears out of reach.

 

What I like about Danks and Hurley is if they continue maturing, we're not stuck in such an awkward position when our veterans begin leaving . You figure of Garcia and Buehrle, one of those two are gone after 2007. Whether it's from trade or FA. An in-house option allows Williams to avoid the market. Broadway, undoubtedly our best SP prospect, doesn't inspire confidence in me.

Edited November 19, 2006 by Flash Tizzle

[cwsfan13]

Here's a write up on Feldman from Baseball AMerica's 2006 Prospect handbook: #15 prospect

 

"Feldman's fastball velocity increased from 88-90 mph early in the yr [2005] to 91-93 by the time he received a mid-August callup to Texas. His fastball has plus life and good sink, inducing bushels of groundballs. He has a loose whippy arm and a deceptive sidearm delivery. He shows plus-plus command against righties moving the ball around the zone but typically keeping it down. Feldman compliments his fastball with an average sweeping slider. He also has a changeup to employ against lefties as a show pitch. He still needs to improve at getting lefties out, and the Rangers think he eventually will become a middle reliever. For now, he figures to be aright-on-right specialist for Texas"

 

Sounds like Chad Bradford, but about 10 years younger and $15 million cheaper.

Great research on your part. That long arm coming at you from the side of a 6'6" frame should really mess up hitters.

 

He sounds good to me, throw him into the mix.

[shoota]

Well with 2 starters and 1 arb. eligable for 08 hes does need to get something going for the future. All we have for youth as of now for 08 is Broadway unless KMc grows up real fast. We all know that KW doesnt live on the free-agent market.

 

Good point, I see the importance of obtaining young, quality pitching; my puzzlement is born from KW's seemingly willingness to trade his best pitcher, Garland, before two other pitchers of value: Vazquez and Garcia.

 

With 6 legitimate starters, I agree with the philosophy of trading from this position of strength to improve a position of weakness. I disagree with KW using his only expendable player of high value on the parent club to improve minor league pitching before upgrading SS and LF.

[Gregory Pratt]

Good point, I see the importance of obtaining young, quality pitching; my puzzlement is born from KW's seemingly willingness to trade his best pitcher, Garland, before two other pitchers of value: Vazquez and Garcia.

 

Williams' willingness to trade his "best pitcher" might have to do with the fact that Garland, ah, might not be the best pitcher in his eyes. Or, perhaps, it might have to do with the knowledge that God needs a rotation spot in 2007 and that he should acquire some arms that'll contribute to the club, soon.

 

I see what your saying about cintron making 1.6m and up for arbitration but looking at this financially I would dump Rob Mac. instead. He is a bit pricey at 2.75m for 07. Especially for a guy who is a terrible OF but he is good to have around to back up Crede.

 

really, I'm just saying that I'd rather give up Cintron than Uribe, easy.

[cwsfan13]

Good point, I see the importance of obtaining young, quality pitching; my puzzlement is born from KW's seemingly willingness to trade his best pitcher, Garland, before two other pitchers of value: Vazquez and Garcia.

 

With 6 legitimate starters, I agree with the philosophy of trading from this position of strength to improve a position of weakness. I disagree with KW using his only expendable player of high value on the parent club to improve minor league pitching before upgrading SS and LF.

I can understand that Garlands youth and contract make him more attractive, especially being a ground-ball pitcher at Ameriquest but its those same reasons that I would like to keep him.

 

I think teams are under the impression that KW is desperate to trade one of the starters and are shooting for the moon with Garland. These GM's need to realize that they need our help and not the other way around. There are plenty of teams that want 1 of our pitchers.

 

I think if a team doesnt want to settle for Javy or Freddy then f*** them we'll find a trade partner with someone else!

[sircaffey]

I agree about Masset. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't know what anyone from our organization sees in him. An article I came across recently suggested White Sox scouts (who followed the Rangers system near the end of the season) were interested in him. May have been Foxsports.com I honestly can't remember, as I've been reading through so many articles and message boards these last few few days.

 

Garland and Anderson for Danks/Hurley/Masset may be the best we can expect. New York is unwilling to trade Pelfrey and Santana appears out of reach.

 

What I like about Danks and Hurley is if they continue maturing, we're not stuck in such an awkward position when our veterans begin leaving . You figure of Garcia and Buehrle, one of those two are gone after 2007. Whether it's from trade or FA. An in-house option allows Williams to avoid the market. Broadway, undoubtedly our best SP prospect, doesn't inspire confidence in me.

 

Not only does it put us in a good position when our veteran SP begin to leave, we also could be in the rare position of having 3 quality cheap SP allowing for the flexibility that KW loves to have. It also allows our current pitching prospects to be available for a mid-season trade which is always nice.

[GreatScott82]

wow, if this happens the offseason will truly be a disaster.

[cwsfan13]

Williams' willingness to trade his "best pitcher" might have to do with the fact that Garland, ah, might not be the best pitcher in his eyes. Or, perhaps, it might have to do with the knowledge that God needs a rotation spot in 2007 and that he should acquire some arms that'll contribute to the club, soon.

really, I'm just saying that I'd rather give up Cintron than Uribe, easy.

I understand what your saying, its almost impossible to replace his D and after having such a s***ty season that he would rebound in 07 with bat.

 

I just hate to give up cintron b/c he is a quality SS with a good glove,good bat and brings some speed to the game.

[shoota]

Williams' willingness to trade his "best pitcher" might have to do with the fact that Garland, ah, might not be the best pitcher in his eyes.

 

 

Yes, it may be true that KW does not believe Garland is his best pitcher. I did make that assumption and constructed my thoughts with that opinion.

 

Or, perhaps, it might have to do with the knowledge that God needs a rotation spot in 2007 and that he should acquire some arms that'll contribute to the club, soon.

 

As I stated, I understand the need to eventually replace the team's current pitchers, but don't think it is a higher priority than the immediate need for improvements at SS and LF.

[Gregory Pratt]

I understand what your saying, its almost impossible to replace his D and after having such a s***ty season that he would rebound in 07 with bat.

 

I just hate to give up cintron b/c he is a quality SS with a good glove,good bat and brings some speed to the game.

 

I don't think Cintron's glove is that good, and that's always been the knock against him. He's not a bad option, but, if it's between him and Uribe, I'd take Uribe every time.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Here's a write up on Feldman from Baseball AMerica's 2006 Prospect handbook: #15 prospect

We faced feldman last year, He entered in relief of a guy named Corey, I believe.

 

Yep... http://soxmachine.com/blogs/state_of_the_s.../06/13/939.aspx

[cwsfan13]

I don't think Cintron's glove is that good, and that's always been the knock against him. He's not a bad option, but, if it's between him and Uribe, I'd take Uribe every time.

Oh I totally agree. I like having Cintron on the bench to give IF's days off and some speed off the bench for late innings.

[Gregory Pratt]

Yes, it may be true that KW does not believe Garland is his best pitcher. I did make that assumption and constructed my thoughts with that opinion.

As I stated, I understand the need to eventually replace the team's current pitchers, but don't think it is a higher priority than the immediate need for improvements at SS and LF.

 

Honestly, I don't see how anyone can think that Garland is our best pitcher unless these people who do decide to erase all of their histories except for the last two years -- and even then, I think Garland comes off looking weaker than all of them except for maybe Javier.

 

About SS: I don't think it's that large an area of need. If we can upgrade Uribe, then sure, go for it, but I don't think we can without overpaying and taking on a big nasty contract. Our priority shouldn't be replacing Uribe and it shouldn't even be too high up on our list, IMO.

 

Oh I totally agree. I like having Cintron on the bench to give IF's days off and some speed off the bench for late innings.

 

I like having him on the bench, too.

[Mr. Showtime]

So, I just read what Ken wrote, and I don't see what the big deal is.

[cwsfan13]

Honestly, I don't see how anyone can think that Garland is our best pitcher unless these people who do decide to erase all of their histories except for the last two years -- and even then, I think Garland comes off looking weaker than all of them except for maybe Javier.

 

About SS: I don't think it's that large an area of need. If we can upgrade Uribe, then sure, go for it, but I don't think we can without overpaying and taking on a big nasty contract. Our priority shouldn't be replacing Uribe and it shouldn't even be too high up on our list, IMO.

I like having him on the bench, too.

As far as Uribe, he could become even more valueble if the sox do end up trading Crede. I remember a few years ago he played some games at 3rd and played pretty well. He definately has the arm to play it or should I say cannon.

[sircaffey]

As far as Uribe, he could become even more valueble if the sox do end up trading Crede. I remember a few years ago he played some games at 3rd and played pretty well. He definately has the arm to play it or should I say cannon.

 

If KW trades Crede you can be damn sure that Uribe isn't his replacement at 3B.

[cwsfan13]

If KW trades Crede you can be damn sure that Uribe isn't his replacement at 3B.

Why is that? If Fields ends up not ready to make the jump then who replaces Crede?

 

You could put Rob at third but he hasnt played there in so long who knows how hid D will be.

 

No matter who you put at third it would be extremly hard to replace Crede's D.

[beck72]

Good point, I see the importance of obtaining young, quality pitching; my puzzlement is born from KW's seemingly willingness to trade his best pitcher, Garland, before two other pitchers of value: Vazquez and Garcia.

 

It may boil down to the type of SP prospects the sox can get in return for one of their SP's. Only Garland may be able to net the top SP prospect the sox need. If Danks can be around for 10 years being a #1 or a #2, it may be worth the cost of garland for 2 years. Trading Freddy or even Javy, may only net #3 type SP who can give the sox 5 decent years.

 

The sox don't have a top of the rotation type prospect in their system, someone who can help the sox late in 07 and definitely in 2008. Garland may be the cost.

 

In the short term, the question should be, can Bmac give the sox Garland type numbers? 2006 numbers pretty sure. 2005 numbers, not yet.

[shoota]

Honestly, I don't see how anyone can think that Garland is our best pitcher unless these people who do decide to erase all of their histories except for the last two years -- and even then, I think Garland comes off looking weaker than all of them except for maybe Javier.

 

About SS: I don't think it's that large an area of need. If we can upgrade Uribe, then sure, go for it, but I don't think we can without overpaying and taking on a big nasty contract. Our priority shouldn't be replacing Uribe and it shouldn't even be too high up on our list, IMO.

I like having him on the bench, too.

 

I agree that Buehrle, Contreras and Garcia have all pitched better at some point in their careers than Garland did last season, but that history has no influence on each man's 2007 performance. My statement that Jon Garland is currently the best and most reliable pitcher on the Sox was proven on page 5 of this thread:

 

Perhaps my positive perception of JG is higher than it should be because he's the best and most reliable pitcher on a staff of inconsistent, injured pitchers. Buehrle followed a great first half with the worst half of his career; Contreras is old and fell very short of his peak ability because of injury; Vazquez's mercurial starts are the antonym of reliable, and his performances hint at mental hinderances; Garcia's body failed him by sapping life from his fastball, and will try to prolong his career deceiving hitters with an arsenal of junk.

 

My belief is that the Sox should trade one of their six starting pitchers not named Garland or McCarthy in an attempt to upgrade SS and LF to improve of the overall talent of the team.

[sircaffey]

Why is that? If Fields ends up not ready to make the jump then who replaces Crede?

 

You could put Rob at third but he hasnt played there in so long who knows how hid D will be.

 

No matter who you put at third it would be extremly hard to replace Crede's D.

 

That would be the only way Uribe plays 3B. If whatever KW has there to replace Crede struggles. Uribe will not go into the year as the starting 3B.

[Sox Machine]

Honestly, I don't see how anyone can think that Garland is our best pitcher unless these people who do decide to erase all of their histories except for the last two years -- and even then, I think Garland comes off looking weaker than all of them except for maybe Javier.

 

In a case like Garland's, the last two years mean more than his first three. He joined the rotation at a very young age. It's not like he's Kent Bottenfield or anything.

 

Considering he's the only pitcher who didn't finish the year 1) on the DL, 2) dealing with diminishing velocity, or 3) battling 76th-pitch demons, he comes out looking pretty good in comparison.

[cwsfan13]

That would be the only way Uribe plays 3B. If whatever KW has there to replace Crede struggles. Uribe will not go into the year as the starting 3B.

Thats all I was saying. Thats why I like having Cintron on the bench, if something happens he plays short and Uribe goes to 3b. Dont get me wrong I dont want him over there either, Im just saying he could do it is all.

[sircaffey]

Thats all I was saying. Thats why I like having Cintron on the bench, if something happens he plays short and Uribe goes to 3b. Dont get me wrong I dont want him over there either, Im just saying he could do it is all.

 

Cintron played 11 games over at 3B last season. If anything were to happen there, you'd keep Uribe at SS and put Mack or Cintron at 3B.

[joeynach]

Garland to the Rangers rumor from Ken Rosenthal.

 

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