sayitaintso Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Alex Gonzalez-SS-Red Sox Nov. 16 - 8:32 pm et Free agent Alex Gonzalez reportedly has a three-year, $15 million offer on the table, likely from either the White Sox or the Reds. The Blue Jays have also been talking to Gonzalez, but they didn't make the offer. If Gonzalez can get this kind of deal, Julio Lugo at four years and $32 million would look very attractive. Of course, if it's the White Sox that sign Gonzalez, the same teams that are considering Gonzalez right now would likely covet Juan Uribe. Uribe is about as good defensively and has more offensive potential. Should the Reds get Gonzalez, Brandon Phillips would stay at second base. It'd make the decision to re-sign Juan Castro look awfully redundant. Source: Boston.com If this is already posted just delete this then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I'm thinking it looks like a Wayne Krivsky signing. Well at least that's what I'm hoping, and that Kenny hasn't lost his touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Please be the Reds. seriously the guy signed a 1 year deal for $3 million last year. What did he do to command this contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I hope itisso, sayitaintso . The guy is a very heady baseball player. He has a nice glove and knack of doing appropriate things at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 (edited) Jesus, talk about a lateral move. They're practically clones of one another - Latin ballplayers who are good defensively and show little plate discipline. Uribe has a higher slugging percentage and more RBI's than Gonzalez, yet lower a average/OBP. I would see little benefit aside from his contract, which extends beyonds Uribes. If we're intent on upgrading, atleast make it a legitimate upgrade. This is an everyday player we're talking about, now a bullpen arm such as Neal Cotts. Edited November 17, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 07:58 PM) Jesus, talk about a lateral move. They're practically clones of one another - Latin ballplayers who are good defensively and show little plate discipline. Uribe has a higher slugging percentage and more RBI's yet lower average/OBP. If we're intent on upgrading, atleast make it a legitimate upgrade. This is an everyday player we're talking about, now a bullpen arm such as Neal Cotts. The only way it makes sense is if KW has a deal working and that team wants Uribe as part of it. Say one of our starters and Uribe. KW would not want to get stuck without a good fielding shortstop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(ptatc @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:00 PM) The only way it makes sense is if KW has a deal working and that team wants Uribe as part of it. Say one of our starters and Uribe. KW would not want to get stuck without a good fielding shortstop. There is nothing wrong with a lateral move if it allows something else to happen. Did Juan wear out his welcome as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:05 PM) There is nothing wrong with a lateral move if it allows something else to happen. Did Juan wear out his welcome as well? There were always complaints about his effort, but I don't think those problems have been bad enough to force a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(ptatc @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 08:00 PM) The only way it makes sense is if KW has a deal working and that team wants Uribe as part of it. Say one of our starters and Uribe. KW would not want to get stuck without a good fielding shortstop. The problem with such a proposal is matching up a possible suitor. You immediately remove the two most referenced teams in Texas and New York Mets. Which teams come to mind? Every American league team (assuming we're not trading within our division) aside from Toronto, the team mentioned within the article, wouldn't fit. National League is a bit different picture, but still rather limited when you remove those unlikely to acquire to two players who'll cost in excess of 13 million. Who's available, Cincinnati? What could they offer for those two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I'd imagine the White Sox speculation is just that, speculation. Ozzie Guillen has come out and said that Alex Gonzalez is the best short stop in the game, dating back to his days in Florida. I'd imagine the author of that post on Rotoworld remembered Ozzie saying that and considered them as one of the potential suitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:16 PM) The problem with such a proposal is matching up a possible suitor. You immediately remove the two most referenced teams in Texas and New York Mets. Which teams come to mind? Every American league team (assuming we're not trading within our division) aside from Toronto, the team mentioned within the article, wouldn't fit. National League is a bit different picture, but still rather limited when you remove those unlikely to acquire to two players who'll cost in excess of 13 million. Who's available, Cincinnati? What could they offer for those two? Just thinking of possible suitors for Uribe...I think Cinci would be a good fit. Uribe for Bray? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 08:21 PM) I'd imagine the White Sox speculation is just that, speculation. Ozzie Guillen has come out and said that Alex Gonzalez is the best short stop in the game, dating back to his days in Florida. I'd imagine the author of that post on Rotoworld remembered Ozzie saying that and considered them as one of the potential suitors. Nah, it was someone from Boston.com that suggested the White Sox could be one of the bidders. Not sure how good their source is though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 08:42 PM) Just thinking of possible suitors for Uribe...I think Cinci would be a good fit. Uribe for Bray? Wow, Uribe, without Ozzie riding his tail, next to Brandon Phillups. The could win the Hot Dog world series! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 08:42 PM) Just thinking of possible suitors for Uribe...I think Cinci would be a good fit. Uribe for Bray? You don't trade GG defensive SS's for relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 08:21 PM) I'd imagine the White Sox speculation is just that, speculation. Ozzie Guillen has come out and said that Alex Gonzalez is the best short stop in the game, dating back to his days in Florida. I'd imagine the author of that post on Rotoworld remembered Ozzie saying that and considered them as one of the potential suitors. Basically yea. I thought it was pretty obvious we'd go after Alex Gonzalez this offseason, although that suggested contract seems a bit too high considering the financial restraints the Sox should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 This isn't surprising at all. As redandwhite mentioned, Ozzie loves AGon. This wouldn't be a great move at all, especially considering Gonzalez has had attitude issues in the past. If we do get him to play SS, we better upgrade offensively in LF and CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 08:53 PM) Basically yea. I thought it was pretty obvious we'd go after Alex Gonzalez this offseason, although that suggested contract seems a bit too high considering the financial restraints the Sox should have. Financial restraints...? The payroll is rougly at $105 mill right now. Take out a starter, and it's at around $95 mill. Take out Uribe, and it's $90. If soxtalk estimations are correct, and the payroll will be about $115-120 mill, the Sox would still have $20-25 mill to mess around with after signing Gonzalez. Edited November 17, 2006 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:00 PM) Financial restraints...? The payroll is rougly at $105 mill right now. Take out a starter, and it's at around $95 mill. Take out Uribe, and it's $90. If soxtalk estimations are correct, and the payroll will be about $115-120 mill, the Sox would still have $20-25 mill to mess around with after signing Gonzalez. I simply have trouble believing the payroll will be as high as $120 million. I think a payroll similar to that of last year (or somewhere like $110) is more realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:08 PM) I simply have trouble believing the payroll will be as high as $120 million. I think a payroll similar to that of last year (or somewhere like $110) is more realistic. The Sox will still have $15 mill to play around with after the trades of SP and Uribe are made then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Does Alex spin himself into the ground and try to jack every single pitch for a homer. If the answer is no, then this is an upgrade. Mr Uribe only plays well when his job is threatened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:05 PM) There is nothing wrong with a lateral move if it allows something else to happen. Did Juan wear out his welcome as well? The Sox may not like having someone other than Uribe at short, but they're willing to take a shot at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:36 PM) The Sox may not like having someone other than Uribe at short, but they're willing to take a shot at it. 4 out of 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:37 PM) 4 out of 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:19 PM) Does Alex spin himself into the ground and try to jack every single pitch for a homer. If the answer is no, then this is an upgrade. Mr Uribe only plays well when his job is threatened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 10:47 PM) You don't trade GG defensive SS's for relievers. Remind me again how many GG's Uribe has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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