UCLA Student get his monkey shocked

[Rex Kickass]

I tend to agree.

 

This dude may be a douchebag. But last time I checked, that is usually not one of the reasons someone can be tazered in most municipalities.

[sox4lifeinPA]

like I said...I would yell out "holy @#$@#...why are you doing that?" instead of some leftist politic bulls***. When you spill a cup that's full to the brim, what spills out is very telling of what the vessel was filled with in the beginning. He was a political activist, plain and simple. He disobeyed individuals who #1 had the authority to do what they were doing #2 he knew he was in the wrong.

 

"no aggressive action" is political rhetoric to the core and meaningless. What happens if you don't have your license during a normal traffic stop? You could get a ticket or sent to jail. What happens if you give the cop crap and refuse to show him your license? He's probably gonna put your ass up against the car and hall you in. However, in this case, your a punk college student (I'm picturing LCR) and the cop is a campus cop.

 

I'd taser him too.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

like I said...I would yell out "holy @#$@#...why are you doing that?" instead of some leftist politic bulls***. When you spill a cup that's full to the brim, what spills out is very telling of what the vessel was filled with in the beginning. He was a political activist, plain and simple. He disobeyed individuals who #1 had the authority to do what they were doing #2 he knew he was in the wrong.

 

"no aggressive action" is political rhetoric to the core and meaningless. What happens if you don't have your license during a normal traffic stop? You could get a ticket or sent to jail. What happens if you give the cop crap and refuse to show him your license? He's probably gonna put your ass up against the car and hall you in. However, in this case, your a punk college student (I'm picturing LCR) and the cop is a campus cop.

 

I'd taser him too.

Good to know you'd taser me.

 

And you think you're gonna get votes!

 

As for cops, I support them on an individual basis like most everybody.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Good to know you'd taser me.

 

And you think you're gonna get votes!

 

I gotta file this away for when I start to Swiftboat the hell out of everybody running next week.

 

Question: would you be more likely or less likely to vote for Mr. PA if you knew he favored tasering of liberals on college campuses?

 

[kapkomet]

I gotta file this away for when I start to Swiftboat the hell out of everybody running next week.

 

Question: would you be more likely or less likely to vote for Mr. PA if you knew he favored tasering of liberals on college campuses?

 

 

PA, you better STFU and stop trying to go to the school of John Kerry joke telling.

[Rex Kickass]

On this board, I can't figure out if that would help or hurt PA.

[southsider2k5]

I gotta file this away for when I start to Swiftboat the hell out of everybody running next week.

 

Question: would you be more likely or less likely to vote for Mr. PA if you knew he favored tasering of liberals on college campuses?

 

 

 

 

PA, you better STFU and stop trying to go to the school of John Kerry joke telling.

 

Hey man, after going to school with all those peace studies guys at MC, this whole tasering liberals platform has me intreagued a bit... Anything on the banning of ultimate frisbee or taxing twinkees?

[sox4lifeinPA]

I stand by my comments, however, I agree with LCR that each incident should be handled on a one on one basis. I'm not advocating that the campus cop involved should be handed a medal and not investigated, I'm just assessing the situation as I see it. The burden of proof lands equally. They should review witness accounts, video accounts, and the individuals involved.

 

The student in question seemed to be an activist and seemed to have instigated the situation. I think tasers are excessive and unnecessary, but if it is true that they are a part of the UCLA public safety policy, then the cop was within his rights to subdue the militant student.

 

It's tragic either way.

[Texsox]

Right - UCLA asking for IDs after 11 when the library is closed to the public.

Wrong - kid not producing the ID

Wrong - security police tasering the guy

 

So we have two wrongs. Which one is worse? Look at the potential problems. A non student in the library after hours could . . .??

 

The taser, is an extreme case, could cause death.

 

I see the threat being much, much, lower than the response. Verdict to the idiot kid over the equally idiotic security cop.

[NorthSideSox72]

OK, I can't stay out of this.

 

First, yes, the taser was probably too far. I agree. And I wouldn't have handled it that way.

 

Second, what this student may or may not have yelled out is entirely irrelevant to the situation. The police response should not be changed by that. They have to be above that.

 

Third, I know it makes it easier for some of you to make the cops out to be some sort of evil buffoons, but these are not "security" guards. They are real cops, with the same training as state troopers. Read their background. Therefore, in all honesty, I hold them to a higher standard, and think this behavior was less than ideal.

 

Fourth and finally, handcuffing the kid and dragging him out (which I might have done) is JUST AS DANGEROUS TO HIM as a taser.

[sox4lifeinPA]

Right - UCLA asking for IDs after 11 when the library is closed to the public.

Wrong - kid not producing the ID

Wrong - security police tasering the guy

 

So we have two wrongs. Which one is worse? Look at the potential problems. A non student in the library after hours could . . .??

 

The taser, is an extreme case, could cause death.

 

I see the threat being much, much, lower than the response. Verdict to the idiot kid over the equally idiotic security cop.

 

This is incredibly short-sighted, imo. The death of this student would have been tragic, no doubt, however, the abuse, rape, or death of a student or students because the campus cops weren't doing their jobs and a student infiltrated the library would be horrific.

[Balta1701]

This is incredibly short-sighted, imo. The death of this student would have been tragic, no doubt, however, the abuse, rape, or death of a student or students because the campus cops weren't doing their jobs and a student infiltrated the library would be horrific.

Which is why you escort the person out. You're acting like there was no other option here other than tasing the person, which at least based on the info we have so far, doesn't appear true at all. (If there was video that proved the kid had charged at one of the police officers in a violent manner, I think either we'd have seen tha video by now or at least had it described to us, but instead, we're hearing about how UCLA policy is that its ok to tase passive resisters, which suggests that yes, the kid was not being aggressive).

[sox4lifeinPA]

Which is why you escort the person out. You're acting like there was no other option here other than tasing the person, which at least based on the info we have so far, doesn't appear true at all. (If there was video that proved the kid had charged at one of the police officers in a violent manner, I think either we'd have seen tha video by now or at least had it described to us, but instead, we're hearing about how UCLA policy is that its ok to tase passive resisters, which suggests that yes, the kid was not being aggressive).

 

That doesn't address anything I just said. Tex said that we should side with the "idiot kid" because the byproduct of him being in the library "wasn't as threatening" as the taser. I think that's incorrect logic.

 

 

Why was this kid questioning the authority of the campus cops in the first place? The cops didn't just walk up to him and zap him. That's where this argument begins and end for me. Should the cops have chosen a different measure? very probably. The responsibility lies on the kid. He was wrong. end of story.

[southsider2k5]

Maybe this was just the cops way of responding to being heckled...

[sox4lifeinPA]

Maybe this was just the cops way of responding to being heckled...

 

or he likes Peter Gabriel...

[NorthSideSox72]

Maybe this was just the cops way of responding to being heckled...

And that, I think, is where they acted incorrectly. Not illegally, or in violation of policy, or horrifically wrong in some way. Just not the best possible conduct. Which is why, again, I'd say that at worst (especially given the policy they acted within), you give the cop(s) some time off the street, remedial training, possibly a written reprimand, and a little time with the psych for an eval and de-stress.

[bmags]

These were the real police. Most campus departments at major universities are real PD's, have all the same authorities, and in some cases more, than that of local cops. If you read the article, it refers to them as "police", not "security". Let the campus cops handle it themselves. Otherwise, why have them there?

 

yes, they can huff and puff like they are the real police, but we all know they are glorified meter maids that will take any chance to assert their authority in unneccesary situations.

 

At mizzou they never check id's, only one time at the med library and they said a week ahead of time they would. I think mizzou wants its college to be a part of the community though.

[Soxy]

yes, they can huff and puff like they are the real police, but we all know they are glorified meter maids that will take any chance to assert their authority in unneccesary situations.

 

At mizzou they never check id's, only one time at the med library and they said a week ahead of time they would. I think mizzou wants its college to be a part of the community though.

I go to a SUNY (State University of New York), and our campus police are actually state troopers. What you said was true at my undergraduate college (small private college), but that's certainly not true at every uni.

[NorthSideSox72]

yes, they can huff and puff like they are the real police, but we all know they are glorified meter maids that will take any chance to assert their authority in unneccesary situations.

 

At mizzou they never check id's, only one time at the med library and they said a week ahead of time they would. I think mizzou wants its college to be a part of the community though.

I didn't like hearing this as an excuse from the campus cops who worked in my district (which included a major university), and its just as absurd to hear it from students. Either they are cops, or they are not. If they are trained and certified like the rest of us were, then let them do their jobs. If they screw up, then penalize them the same way.

[sox4lifeinPA]

yes, they can huff and puff like they are the real police, but we all know they are glorified meter maids that will take any chance to assert their authority in unneccesary situations.

 

At mizzou they never check id's, only one time at the med library and they said a week ahead of time they would. I think mizzou wants its college to be a part of the community though.

 

I think you missed most of this thread. These aren't mall cops and ucla policy is to check ids after 10. This is L.A. not columbia, MO.

[bmags]

OH s*** THIS HAPPENED IN LA? campus police are campus police, they have the jurisdiction of the campus and are routinely called off by the town police dept. whom are better trained and better equipped. and routinely have overuses of force, be it in Madison, columbia, LA, or champaigne.

[sox4lifeinPA]

OH s*** THIS HAPPENED IN LA? campus police are campus police, they have the jurisdiction of the campus and are routinely called off by the town police dept. whom are better trained and better equipped. and routinely have overuses of force, be it in Madison, columbia, LA, or champaigne.

 

 

ok, but that is YOUR perception of campus cops. That's not necessarily the truth of the matter. As some have suggested, campus cops may in fact have MORE jurisdiction because of the private nature many college and universities.

[NorthSideSox72]

OH s*** THIS HAPPENED IN LA? campus police are campus police, they have the jurisdiction of the campus and are routinely called off by the town police dept. whom are better trained and better equipped. and routinely have overuses of force, be it in Madison, columbia, LA, or champaigne.

I cannot speak for all departments, but, I can assuredly tell you that your idea of these issues being widespread is false. In fact, local PD's are motivated to NOT interfere with campus departments if they can avoid it, because it makes their jobs easier. And in many states, the campus cops are actually State Police, so they are probably better trained than the locals cops in some small college town. You are sorely misinformed.

[Balta1701]

A lot more details in the article, I encourage you to read.

 

The UCLA police officer videotaped last week using a Taser gun on a student also shot a homeless man at a campus study hall room three years ago and was earlier recommended for dismissal in connection with an alleged assault on fraternity row, authorities said.

 

UCLA police confirmed late Monday that the officer who fired the Taser gun was Terrence Duren, who has served in the university's Police Department for 18 years.

 

Duren, who was named officer of the year in 2001, also has been involved in several controversial incidents on campus.

...

 

Duren said Monday that he joined the UCLA police force after being fired from the Long Beach Police Department in the late 1980s. He said he was a probationary officer at the time and was let go because of poor report-writing skills and geographical knowledge.

 

In May 1990, he was accused of using his nightstick to choke someone who was hanging out on a Saturday in front of a UCLA fraternity. Kente S. Scott alleged that Duren confronted him while he was walking on the street outside the Theta Xi fraternity house.

 

Scott sued the university, and according to court records, UCLA officials moved to have Duren dismissed from the police force. But after an independent administrative hearing, officials overturned the dismissal, suspending him for 90 days.

 

Duren on Monday disputed the allegations made by Scott.

 

In October 2003, Duren shot and wounded a homeless man he encountered in Kerckhoff Hall. Duren chased the man into a bathroom, where they struggled and he fired two shots.

 

The homeless man, Willie Davis Frazier, was later convicted of assaulting an officer. Duren said Frasier had tried to grab his gun during the struggle. But Frazier's attorney, John Raphling, said his client was mentally ill and didn't do anything to provoke the shooting.

[sox4lifeinPA]

wow. Great article.