CanOfCorn Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2669903 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 If true, let me be the one to write a personal thank you note to the Dodgers that we can all sign. Thank you for not letting Ozzie get what he wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I have no strong opinion on this. 9 million is a bit much for Pierre, but he'll swipe some bases and entertain the crowd with some hilarious 3-hop throws to the cutoff man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Thank you Jesus. Thank you. Man did I not want this guy. This fills in Kenny Lofton's spot for the Dodgers, which helps them some. Trouble is of course that offensively, the Dodgers biggest problem last year was their total lack of power, and with the loss of J.D. Drew, the only way it's going to get better is for guys like Betemit, Martin, Ethier, and maybe Kemp to step up their power hitting a lot more. Especially as Nomah and Kent get older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 But that top of the order...whew...Pierre and Furcal. That's some major speed up there. Unless the Dodgers would want to part with Furcal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 03:50 PM) But that top of the order...whew...Pierre and Furcal. That's some major speed up there. Unless the Dodgers would want to part with Furcal? You know...with the surplus of power bats that the White Sox have, and the combination of Furcal and young talent the Dodgers have, there might be something that could be done there. If the Sox were open to trading Jermaine Dye...that would be an incredibly perfect match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Dye for Furcal and a stud pitching spect? Maybe could include Uribe, or in another deal as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 The Dodgers are adding James Loney's bat in RF. He's a 1Bman by nature, but he can definitely handle RF, which was the point of resigning Nomar. The only way I can see them shipping Uribe to the Sox is in a potential deal for a starting pitcher. We'll pretty much just have to see about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 04:05 PM) I have a really, really hard time justifying trading Dye, for almost anything. However, Furcal makes alot of f***ing sense right now. Yeah, I know, I don't like the idea of trading our WS MVP either, but as a business decision alone, looking towards the future, that has the potential to be a really, really good deal for both sides. The Dodgers need power. JD has power. JD has one year left on his contract, and another year like last year and he'll be looking at more money per year than Konerko got. JD also is coming off a career year, so his trade value could be its highest. JD also plays at a position where the Dodgers just lost one of their better bats. And the Dodgers have an awfully large pool of talent waiting in the winds over there. The Dodgers might not mind Uribe and his big number of strikeouts if he gave them a few more home runs as well. The cost to LA would have to be through the roof given what JD did last year, but they're in a position where they could pay through the roof and still be stocked for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Ned Colletti has shown as well, he's certainly not afraid to trade prospects to upgrade now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 06:05 PM) I have a really, really hard time justifying trading Dye, for almost anything. However, Furcal makes alot of f***ing sense right now. i agree, but what do we do with LF and RF? i could see opening the season with one of Sweeney/Fields, but both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 06:22 PM) Sweeney could play RF, and I think the Sox could get away with it. But Im not sure what would happen with LF. It doesnt matter, Dye isn't moving. Sign Shannon Stewart to an incentive laden deal to play LF? Or deal Garcia/Vazquez for Humber and Lastsings an outfield of Sweeney Anderson Milledge for the next 6+ years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 06:33 PM) Our Future might look better, but 06 might be a long year with Furcal Gooch Thome Kong Crede Lastings Sweeney Anderson Mark Count Garland Javy Mac I suppose you could get away with Stewart in LF, but Dye makes too big of an impact in the lineup, even if he does regress a bit. '07 would be even longer And yes, I agree completely with you. Kenny said he wanted to tweak the team. By tweak, he meant trade about 4 players, sooo... But, he didn't say he wanted to blow the f***ing thing up, which is what trading Dye would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 QUOTE(beautox @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 06:31 PM) Sign Shannon Stewart to an incentive laden deal to play LF? Or deal Garcia/Vazquez for Humber and Lastsings an outfield of Sweeney Anderson Milledge for the next 6+ years That would definitely be an outstanding defensive outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 04:35 PM) But, he didn't say he wanted to blow the f***ing thing up, which is what trading Dye would be. So, based on that statement, can we all agree that KW is going to blow the F***ing thing up? Seriously though, you may go into an offseason not planning on blowing the whole thing up, and then run into a team or two who are desperate enough for your guys that they're willing to turn your team into a title contender for the next 10 years, and the only cost is you have to part with a couple guys who are a year from Free Agency? Given what teams are spending for veterans on the FA Market this offseason, you can't rule out the possibility of some team giving up the farm for a couple of our guys, and if that happens, I wouldn't be too mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) Yea, i've already seen a WS title and parade on the south side in my lifetime. I wouldn't be against moving dye and a SP or 2 to keep this team competive in this division for a long time. Edited November 21, 2006 by beautox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 03:50 PM) But that top of the order...whew...Pierre and Furcal. That's some major speed up there. Unless the Dodgers would want to part with Furcal? I think that will be a real nice 1-2 punch for the Dodgers and in the NL that will really be nice for them. A bit too many years/money but he's a good player who is vastly under-rated and appreciated on this board. Again, another team that can afford to spend an extra couple million a year as they work to restore there fan base now that a 2nd team has stole there thunder (see Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 05:23 PM) I think that will be a real nice 1-2 punch for the Dodgers and in the NL that will really be nice for them. A bit too many years/money but he's a good player who is vastly under-rated and appreciated on this board. Again, another team that can afford to spend an extra couple million a year as they work to restore there fan base now that a 2nd team has stole there thunder (see Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim). Well, yes, that is a good 1-2 punch at the top of their order, but it still leaves them with a major potential weakness, in that they really don't have a ton of punch in their lineup to drive those guys in, especially if Kent/Nomar constantly struggle with Injuries as they seem like they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Furcal would be the best upgrade I can think of. Not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I wonder what the plan is though, because with all the signings, we apparently are not involved in anything . It bugs me that we have to trade for similar players other teams get without losing players. We gain by losing-and that costs depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 This is great news. Pretty much everyone on this board hated the idea of signing Pierre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I knew he'd land $9M per, the writing was on the wall back in August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 09:00 PM) I wonder what the plan is though, because with all the signings, we apparently are not involved in anything . It bugs me that we have to trade for similar players other teams get without losing players. We gain by losing-and that costs depth. So our choice right now is between expending depth from our minor league organization (and the majors to some extent) to bring in talent from other teams or getting into spending matches with teams that have almost completely opened the checkbook? I see no problem at all with standing pat in this market. In the late 90's, probably culminating in 2000 with ARod and Manny, there was a huge surge in spending, much of it questionable, by baseball's owners as they realized they had more money than they were paying out in salary and decided to use it to try to win games and bring in more fans. Then, for a couple of years, suddenly a lot of those insane contracts dried up, and you just didn't see people matching $180 million or $250 million deals like you'd expect if contracts would keep going up. Teams overspent to bring in talent when they had money, and suddenly the teams who had bided their time a little bit were able to find some potential bargains, like right fielders for $5-$6 million a year and so on. Now suddenly, baseball's revenue stream has expanded again, there are more teams with more money, and there is a lack of people on the market to take advantage of that money, and therefore, we're running into another insane surge of spending, $17 million a year deals for guys in their 30's, weak hitting leadoff guys who rely on speed pushing $10 million a year, $51 million just for the right to negotiate with a pitcher, etc. The smart money is not being spent in the FA Market this year, the desperate money is. The smart money is realizing it's only a matter of time before the teams dumping out these contracts find themselves having overspent their new revenues, leaving themselves hamstrung in the future and creating the opportunity for more intelligent deals for the smart teams down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Assuming he signs, the Matsusaka move has the #1 dumbest move of the offseason on lockdown. However, this now has #2 on lockdown. 5 years at 9 millon per for the black Pods? HA!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Sox should sign Lofton. Look at his GD numbers the past 2 years. He could play in left or center, would be an upgrade on Pods in the batting and OBP department and likely as well in net steals. Would come cheaper than Roberts- we could probably sign him for 1 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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