beck72 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I have only heard the speculation that Figgins might be moved if the Angels got a CFer. With Sarge Jr., on board, it only makes sense. The questions are, 1] what would the Angels realistically be asking for and get and 2] what could the Sox offer in return? Has anyone heard of names being mentioned with Figgins? I don't count the Crede talk because that must have come from fools. Mackowiak's versatility might intrigue them with Figgins gone. Mack and a young arm that doesn't fit with the sox like Heath Phillips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 QUOTE(beck72 @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 03:54 PM) I have only heard the speculation that Figgins might be moved if the Angels got a CFer. With Sarge Jr., on board, it only makes sense. The questions are, 1] what would the Angels realistically be asking for and get and 2] what could the Sox offer in return? Has anyone heard of names being mentioned with Figgins? I don't count the Crede talk because that must have come from fools. Mackowiak's versatility might intrigue them with Figgins gone. Mack and a young arm that doesn't fit with the sox like Heath Phillips. They will likely hang on to Figgins until they are blown away. Figgins wasnt supposed to be their CF'er last year until Erstad was hurt. They will use him in the super utility role again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 As of right now it appears he's their starting 3B despite his s***ty defense at the hotcorner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share Posted November 22, 2006 QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 09:58 PM) They will likely hang on to Figgins until they are blown away. Figgins wasnt supposed to be their CF'er last year until Erstad was hurt. They will use him in the super utility role again. His contract might be a bit much for a UTL guy though-- 3.5M in 2007 and 4.75M in 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 what's the appeal of figgins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 QUOTE(Hatchetman @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) what's the appeal of figgins? Hes fast and versatile. Plays decent defense at a number of positions and bats lead off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsfan13 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 How about Tavares from Houston? I know his #s arent the best but hes only 25 and should get better. This is only if you cant get a guy like Crawford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share Posted November 22, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 10:07 PM) As of right now it appears he's their starting 3B despite his s***ty defense at the hotcorner. If McPherson shows a pulse, he should be there. But I guess that's the key. They need power from 3B, which Figgins won't give them. I could see them make a trade. I haven't heard their names come up for any 3b men. It would make sense if Figgins was part of that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 QUOTE(beck72 @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) If McPherson shows a pulse, he should be there. But I guess that's the key. They need power from 3B, which Figgins won't give them. I could see them make a trade. I haven't heard their names come up for any 3b men. It would make sense if Figgins was part of that deal. The rumor a while ago is that they were trying to get Tejada to play 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share Posted November 22, 2006 QUOTE(Hatchetman @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 10:17 PM) what's the appeal of figgins? What Iowa sox said. Figgins would put pressure on the defense through his bunting, stealing ability, his OBP. Figgins couldn't be worse than Pods in LF. It would depend on what the Angels are asking for him, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share Posted November 22, 2006 QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 10:23 PM) The rumor a while ago is that they were trying to get Tejada to play 3rd. That's right. I knew some big names were on their radar. You can scratch an OFer off their list like Manny. With the Speier signing, they have some chips with their bullpen guys, esp Shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 (edited) It better be a couple prospects if that is the deal and one of their names better start with Howie and end with Kendrick. Edited November 22, 2006 by IowaSoxFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share Posted November 22, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 10:26 PM) The best Sox-Halos match I could think is Joe. It doesn't seem like Stoneman has that big of a problem giving out a big contract(just seems to come up a little short) and I could see them locking him up. Something like a Crede-Garcia for Figgins-Santana-Prospect? Crede should be a non-starter. Even if Boras is his agent, Joe is worth what he'll ask for and likely get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Many on this board overrate Figgins wildly. At his best, he can manage a .350 OBP with no power. Overestimating the value of speed and maybe a .350 OBP leads to mistakes like trading for Podsednik. Let us not repeat that mistake. Speed and versatility are worth much less than hitting. And he's no hitter. Speed and versatility (and not much more) may be enough for a 4th OFer or a utility player, but not a regular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 (edited) Crede should be a non-starter. Even if Boras is his agent, Joe is worth what he'll ask for and likely get. I don't think we should trade Crede for Figgins, but let us not overestimate how good Crede is. I feel like most Sox fans were so impressed by Crede when he was playing well in 2006 that they ignore the times when he played poorly. If all else fails, look at how he did overall. He had an .828 OPS. That's pretty good. Not great. Not even very good. But let's not act like he's a great player. He isn't. He's a pretty good hitting, good fielding 3B with a back problem. He shouldn't be untouchable. I'm interested to hear your ideas for what should be done this off-season...(has nothing to do with the quoted post) I don't have time for all of the details, but the short version is trade any one of the SP's for an OFer who can actually hit. That is the centerpiece of what needs to be done. Oh, and I would look into ways to upgrade SS. Personally, I think Uribe is an easily relplaceable embarassment. Edited November 23, 2006 by SoxHawk1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenkait Sox Fan Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Could the Sox have interest in Erstad as a platoon with Anderson in CF? They had interest a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Nov 23, 2006 -> 12:52 AM) Many on this board overrate Figgins wildly. At his best, he can manage a .350 OBP with no power. Overestimating the value of speed and maybe a .350 OBP leads to mistakes like trading for Podsednik. Let us not repeat that mistake. Speed and versatility are worth much less than hitting. And he's no hitter. Speed and versatility (and not much more) may be enough for a 4th OFer or a utility player, but not a regular. The sox don't need a leadoff guy with power. Figgins has avg'd over 40 XBH the last 3 yrs. He's a career .285 hitter, with one down yr last yr. His .350 OBP is decent enough--few leadoff guys are out there who can do what Figgins can and might be available for a reasonable price. No one's talking about trading a guy like Dye for Figgins here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 best advice is upgrade the farm system. when you look at the prices and contracts some of these guys are getting, we better start growing more homegrown guys. The contract Gary Matthews jr. got might be the most ridiculous thing I've seen since the White Sox gave Navarro $20 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 QUOTE(Hatchetman @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) what's the appeal of figgins? I like the fact that he can play center. He's a better bunter than Pods and he's younger. Even if he's the exact same player as Pods but can play center, it allows the Sox to upgrade left. Anderson seems to have lost favor. The Sox have more options to improve left. I know Gload has had some arm trouble and I've seen some misplays in right. Does anyone think he could play left if given a legitimate chance to win the job in the spring? The guy can flat out hit. QUOTE(Hatchetman @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) what's the appeal of figgins? I like the fact that he can play center. He's a better bunter than Pods and he's younger. Even if he's the exact same player as Pods but can play center, it allows the Sox to upgrade left. Anderson seems to have lost favor. The Sox have more options to improve left. I know Gload has had some arm trouble and I've seen some misplays in right. Does anyone think he could play left if given a legitimate chance to win the job in the spring? The guy can flat out hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 06:52 PM) Overestimating the value of speed and maybe a .350 OBP leads to mistakes like trading for Podsednik. Let us not repeat that mistake. Come now. You can't say that trade wasn't one of the cornerstone reasons we won a World Series. Pods may suck now, but that trade helped us in numerous ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 10:26 PM) The best Sox-Halos match I could think is Joe. It doesn't seem like Stoneman has that big of a problem giving out a big contract(just seems to come up a little short) and I could see them locking him up. Something like a Crede-Garcia for Figgins-Santana-Prospect? I could see trading Joe if the sox were somehow able to turn say Ervin Santana into Carl Crawford. Or maybe get Scot Shields and Figgins. [not sure what Shields contract status is though. I believe he'll be a FA after 07--which means they'll have to pay him more than they just signed Speier to--a very hefty sum]. The sox could get by paying big bucks to Shields because the rest of the bullpen is pretty young and inexpensive. If the sox feel Fields is ready to play everyday in the bigs, I wouldn't rule a Crede trade out. And the LAA would make sense. Edited November 23, 2006 by beck72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 QUOTE(beck72 @ Nov 23, 2006 -> 06:20 AM) I could see trading Joe if the sox were somehow able to turn say Ervin Santana into Carl Crawford. Or maybe get Scot Shields and Figgins. [not sure what Shields contract status is though. I believe he'll be a FA after 07--which means they'll have to pay him more than they just signed Speier to--a very hefty sum]. The sox could get by paying big bucks to Shields because the rest of the bullpen is pretty young and inexpensive. If the sox feel Fields is ready to play everyday in the bigs, I wouldn't rule a Crede trade out. And the LAA would make sense. A little sarcasm Fields and Gload can only get better at their 3rd and left respectively.. I'd say go for it. Santana pitches like the other Santana against us not sarcasm............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Trading Crede would be a mistake if his replacement is Fields. If Fields was handed the 3rd base job, it would take 2 weeks tops before people would be clamouring for the likes of Joe Randa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 QUOTE(beck72 @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 03:54 PM) I have only heard the speculation that Figgins might be moved if the Angels got a CFer. With Sarge Jr., on board, it only makes sense. The questions are, 1] what would the Angels realistically be asking for and get and 2] what could the Sox offer in return? Has anyone heard of names being mentioned with Figgins? I don't count the Crede talk because that must have come from fools. Mackowiak's versatility might intrigue them with Figgins gone. Mack and a young arm that doesn't fit with the sox like Heath Phillips. I wouldn't give up more then 2 mid level prospects for Chone Figgins. I think he's highly overrated, and overpaid relative to what he brings to the team. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 I'd love to have Figgins, but I probably wouldn't give up what Anaheim would want for him. I definitely like the fact that he can play all around the field and has proven he can steal 50+ bases. There's no way I'd give up Crede or one of our starters in a deal for him unless it was Vazquez (I'd give him up simply to get rid of his awful salary for next season). Maybe if they're not sold on McPherson we could flip Fields for Figgy, but I'd also be hesitant to do that deal mainly because I think we could do better for Fields. My guess is Anaheim keeps him as a super sub and plays him a lot at 3B if McPherson doesn't get his act together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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