joeynach Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Roberts is set to sign a 3 year 15-18M deal with the Giants according to MLB4u.com. I dont want anything to do with him at that price and once again we are seeing the market produce overpaid over hyped average players get big and long paydays, yuck. So our search continues can Rocco Baldelli hit leadoff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Every time one of these signings comes through, I keep having the same reaction; I'm glad we're not the one taking that gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 25, 2006 -> 03:26 PM) Every time one of these signings comes through, I keep having the same reaction; I'm glad we're not the one taking that gamble. Same here, Im happy we are not spending ridiculous money these players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 25, 2006 -> 03:26 PM) Every time one of these signings comes through, I keep having the same reaction; I'm glad we're not the one taking that gamble. At the same time, it sickens me that we are going to have to make a big trade to really improve this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 25, 2006 -> 01:27 PM) At the same time, it sickens me that we are going to have to make a big trade to really improve this team. Personally, I'm still happy that we're in a spot where we actually have the goods to trade to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 25, 2006 -> 03:26 PM) Every time one of these signings comes through, I keep having the same reaction; I'm glad we're not the one taking that gamble. Exactly. The market is protecting KW from doing anything stupid/irrational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 what scares me, is what if this is the market for the next 5 years. When will these prices plateau, becasue last year the same s*** was happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 QUOTE(joeynach @ Nov 25, 2006 -> 03:19 PM) Roberts is set to sign a 3 year 15-18M deal with the Giants according to MLB4u.com. So our search continues can Rocco Baldelli hit leadoff? He could, but he can't draw a walk to save his life. He's better suited somewhere lower in the order. It's an intriguing name to throw out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 I am glad we have stood still to this point-but I hope there is a plan to improve our 3rd place team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Thats the last of the so called 'lead off hitters' on the free agent market. So if the Sox want to upgrade the leadoff spot it will have to be done via trade. No surprises there. At this point its Carl Crawford or bust! Winter meetings are around the corner. It shall be interesting to see what KW plans on doing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Nov 27, 2006 -> 10:35 AM) Thats the last of the so called 'lead off hitters' on the free agent market. So if the Sox want to upgrade the leadoff spot it will have to be done via trade. No surprises there. At this point its Carl Crawford or bust! Winter meetings are around the corner. It shall be interesting to see what KW plans on doing.... Crawford should be the number one target regardless of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 27, 2006 -> 11:04 AM) Crawford should be the number one target regardless of anything. Why do people think the Rays will deal Crawford? He's a great player, at a cheap price. What do we have that the Rays want? McCarthy? I don't like that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 27, 2006 -> 11:04 AM) Crawford should be the number one target regardless of anything. Quality pitching should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 QUOTE(ptatc @ Nov 27, 2006 -> 11:21 AM) Quality pitching should be. It doesnt look like there is much of a market for that unfortunately. Something needs to be done, somehow though. We need a lead off hitter, some bullpen help and possibly younger SP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 27, 2006 -> 11:32 AM) It doesnt look like there is much of a market for that unfortunately. Something needs to be done, somehow though. We need a lead off hitter, some bullpen help and possibly younger SP's. I think KW will find a good trade. You have identified the areas the Sox need but I would list them in priority as: bullpen, young SPs then lead off hitter. The bullpen needs to shut teams down after good starter performances. There is nothing more frustrating than watching a good pitching performance for 7 innings and having the lead pissed away in the final two innings. We have a good hard throwing group so far but it needs a little more help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Nov 27, 2006 -> 05:09 PM) Why do people think the Rays will deal Crawford? He's a great player, at a cheap price. What do we have that the Rays want? McCarthy? I don't like that idea. You have to trade McCarthy to get a guy like Crawford. Tampa knows that if they want to contend in the East in the next couple of years they need to build a solid young pitching staff. They realize that they cant win without pitching and their GM has said during the end of the 2006 season that he would be willing to trade Crawford if he can get an MLB ready young starter. Tampa wants to build a young rotation like Oakland had a fews years back when they had the Zito-Mulder-Hudson trio. I truly believe that we can win it all next year with Buerhle, Garland, Contreras, Garcia and Vazquez as our starting 5. I understand if you are all worried about what will happen after 2007 since both Garcia and Buerhle will be free agents. However, I think if we win it all (and having Crawford would help in doing so) Buerhle will re-sign. And the only one to leave via free agency would be Garcia. So for you post 2007 worry warts your rotation can be this: Buerhle, Garland, Contreras, Vazquez, Broadway For now im worrying about 2007. And if KW can aqcuire Crawford, it will give us one hell of a lead-off hitter, he can steal 60 plus, play one hell of a defense and patch up our black hole out in LF. But what about our bullpen?!? I think KW will trade Pods and Fields at the Winter Meetings to help bolster our bullpen. Your 2007 Chicago White Sox: Crawford LF Gooch 2B Dye RF Thome DH Konerko 1B Crede 3B Pierzynski C Uribe SS Anderson CF Rotation: Same as 2006 Bullpen: To be shored up at the Winter meetings Your 2008 Chicago White Sox: Crawford LF Gooch 2B (will be re-signed) Thome DH Konerko 1B Crede 3B Pierzynski C Anderson CF Sweeney RF (replace Dye who will leave via free agency) Uribe SS (will be re-signed) Your 2008 rotation: Buerhle, Garland, Contreras, Vazquez, Broadway (replace Garcia who will leave via free agency) Not bad at all. Thoughts?? Im sure i missed out on some ending contracts or what not, but it can be pretty similar to this. A 2008 OF of Crawford, Anderson and Sweeney can be dominate defensivley for many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Nov 27, 2006 -> 11:43 AM) Rotation: Same as 2006 Not cool at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Nov 27, 2006 -> 11:43 AM) You have to trade McCarthy to get a guy like Crawford. Tampa knows that if they want to contend in the East in the next couple of years they need to build a solid young pitching staff. They realize that they cant win without pitching and their GM has said during the end of the 2006 season that he would be willing to trade Crawford if he can get an MLB ready young starter. Tampa wants to build a young rotation like Oakland had a fews years back when they had the Zito-Mulder-Hudson trio. I truly believe that we can win it all next year with Buerhle, Garland, Contreras, Garcia and Vazquez as our starting 5. I understand if you are all worried about what will happen after 2007 since both Garcia and Buerhle will be free agents. However, I think if we win it all (and having Crawford would help in doing so) Buerhle will re-sign. And the only one to leave via free agency would be Garcia. So for you post 2007 worry warts your rotation can be this: Buerhle, Garland, Contreras, Vazquez, Broadway For now im worrying about 2007. And if KW can aqcuire Crawford, it will give us one hell of a lead-off hitter, he can steal 60 plus, play one hell of a defense and patch up our black hole out in LF. But what about our bullpen?!? I think KW will trade Pods and Fields at the Winter Meetings to help bolster our bullpen. Your 2007 Chicago White Sox: Crawford LF Gooch 2B Dye RF Thome DH Konerko 1B Crede 3B Pierzynski C Uribe SS Anderson CF Rotation: Same as 2006 Bullpen: To be shored up at the Winter meetings Your 2008 Chicago White Sox: Crawford LF Gooch 2B (will be re-signed) Thome DH Konerko 1B Crede 3B Pierzynski C Anderson CF Sweeney RF (replace Dye who will leave via free agency) Uribe SS (will be re-signed) Your 2008 rotation: Buerhle, Garland, Contreras, Vazquez, Broadway (replace Garcia who will leave via free agency) Not bad at all. Thoughts?? Im sure i missed out on some ending contracts or what not, but it can be pretty similar to this. A 2008 OF of Crawford, Anderson and Sweeney can be dominate defensivley for many years. Crawford's a great player and all, but he isn't a leadoff hitter. No. 2 yes, but I think you waste his talents as a leadoff hitter. Baldelli is the better bet, but that's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I'm very concerned we'll end up with Pods at the top, and I hope he can get back what he lost. I hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Maybe Pods' hernia has healed. He could bounce back. From his injury late '05 through '06 - it affected him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Maybe NL pitching staffs realized how to get Pods out in 2004 and the AL staffs realized it in 2006. Anyway you slice it, the guy is below average. If he can't steal 50 bases and be successful 75-80% of his attempts, there is no reason for him to be on a major league field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 No loss here he is not the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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