Sox & Angels Talking; Crede/Garcia for Santana/Figgins

[CanOfCorn]

Nothin really new, but from the LA Times;

 

 

That's an interesting thought that a lot on this board probably haven't thought of...Crede as 1B. Are there other teams that could use a 1B and a starter that can be a trade partner?

[Kyyle23]

Woulnd't that really dimish alot of the value Joe has? Not in a trade, but value to a team. Why stick a GG 3rd baseman at 1B?

 

Remember when the question was "Why stick a GG SS at 3B?" when A-Rod was traded to the Yankees? Sometimes teams do wierd things

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's an interesting thought that a lot on this board probably haven't thought of...Crede as 1B. Are there other teams that could use a 1B and a starter that can be a trade partner?

Crede would easily be one of the worst offensive first baseman in the league and his actual talent (defense) would be wasted. Completely stupid IMO.

[Kyyle23]

It's two completley different things, and I think you would know that. You stick a Frank Thomas at 1st base. A Jason Giambi at 1st base. Hell, a Mo Vaungh at 1st base. Putting Joe Crede at 1st base would be idiotic. Plus, I can't imagine at team that gets Crede will have a better defensive 3rd baseman on the roster.

 

Oh, i know the difference, dont get me wrong. I know that Crede's defensive capabilities would be wasted at 1B. Im just pointing out that there has been a precedent set(coincidentally with a player the Sox are supposedly trying to swap Crede with). Arod is regarded as the better SS between himself and Jeter, but they put him at 3B. Arent Arods talents as a SS being wasted as well?

[Chet Lemon]

I thought Timo Perez made a quality 1b.

[Baines3]

Trading Joe Crede would be the dumbest thing that KW could do.

[Rowand44]

Trading Joe Crede would be the dumbest thing that KW could do.

I'd like to hear an explanation as to why...

[witesoxfan]

Trading Joe Crede would be the dumbest thing that KW could do.

 

It could also easily be one of the smartest things he's ever even considered as a GM.

 

Joe Crede's had 1 good statistical year, along with 1 good postseason under his record. He's great defensively, which no one will question, but he's been apt to hit .250 with mediocre power his entire career while also not walking a whole hell of a lot. However, the baseball world may see him as an upper echelon 3Bman - which he probably is - and will be willing to give up a lot of talent for his services. If you can get ARod or Santana for Crede, there should be absolutely no reason at all not to explore such an option.

[Frank the Tank 35]

ESPN.com's winter meetings grid: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/n...tory?id=2684334

 

Gammons thinks Garland or Freddy might get traded. Jayson Stark thinks Freddy's going to the Angels. Jerry Crasnick has Freddy going to he Rangers or Padres. Phil Rogers thinks Joe Crede to the Angels. Gammons and Steve Phillips say, "Don't underestimate the White Sox."

[iamshack]

ESPN.com's winter meetings grid: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/n...tory?id=2684334

 

Gammons thinks Garland or Freddy might get traded. Jayson Stark thinks Freddy's going to the Angels. Jerry Crasnick has Freddy going to he Rangers or Padres. Phil Rogers thinks Joe Crede to the Angels. Gammons and Steve Phillips say, "Don't underestimate the White Sox."

 

An actual complement from Joe Sheehan of BP (seems odd):

 

Chicago

Trading Joe Crede for Chone Figgins wouldn't help them very much, as Figgins just isn't that good a player. They need a leadoff hitter whose primary skill is getting on base, not stealing bases once he's on. Figgins will have a .350 OBP or so, and that's nothing special in the No. 1 slot. He'll also be getting expensive, and there are indications that he might be losing a little speed (triples down, GIDP rate up). If they feel they have to trade Crede -- they don't -- they can likely do better than this.

 

GM Kenny Williams still has six starters for five spots, and Brandon McCarthy didn't take to the bullpen, so something has to happen to clear up the logjam. Mark Buerhle is a good bet to leave, although Freddy Garcia's name comes up much more often. In any case, remember that Williams is far, far removed from the Todd Ritchie deal, and very likely to win any trade he makes.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

An actual complement from Joe Sheehan of BP (seems odd):

 

GM Kenny Williams still has six starters for five spots, and Brandon McCarthy didn't take to the bullpen, so something has to happen to clear up the logjam. Mark Buerhle is a good bet to leave, although Freddy Garcia's name comes up much more often. In any case, remember that Williams is far, far removed from the Todd Ritchie deal, and very likely to win any trade he makes.

 

Odds are he practically has to win because of the market for pitching right now, but I'm still a little worried...

[RockRaines]

ESPN.com's winter meetings grid: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/n...tory?id=2684334

 

Gammons thinks Garland or Freddy might get traded. Jayson Stark thinks Freddy's going to the Angels. Jerry Crasnick has Freddy going to he Rangers or Padres. Phil Rogers thinks Joe Crede to the Angels. Gammons and Steve Phillips say, "Don't underestimate the White Sox."

Im loving that people think we will make a good trade for our team, as it is just what we need. If KW pulls off something great, it will make this years disappointment fade in my mind

[dmbjeff]

yeah im thinking crede will be gone for sure now with all this trade talk. whether it be in a deal with a pitcher or even just by himself. the boras thing scares the sox away and since crede has 2 yrs left, they could get quite a handful for him i would imagine. also with having fields waiting in the wings, it just seems like something kenny would do.

[Frank the Tank 35]

Competition from the D'backs, from Rotoworld:

 

The Diamondbacks are reportedly interested in acquiring Joe Saunders from the Angels, potentially in a Chad Tracy trade.

 

We're not big Tracy fans, so it sounds like a relatively even trade to us. The D'Backs would probably want the Angels to throw in at least a decent prospect along with Saunders, who would slide right into Arizona's rotation. The Diamondbacks could replace Tracy at third base with Alberto Callaspo or try to trade for Morgan Ensberg.

[Rowand44]

OH NO DBAHO!!!!

 

 

 

[BHAMBARONS]

Of course this is all rumors and guessing but it appears like AZ is close to landing one of the Angel pitchers. Looks like Saunders.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Isn't Sauders just Heath Phillips plus 10 ML starts?

[DBAHO]

OH NO DBAHO!!!!

Haha yes. For the good of my man crush, I'm going to throw this out there.

 

Angels get;

Joe Crede

Freddy Garcia

 

D-Backs get;

Joe Saunders

 

White Sox get;

Chad Tracy

Ervin Santana

 

So basically I'm substituting Figgins for Tracy, and the D-Backs end up with Saunders.

 

Here's how Tracy and Figgins compared from last season;

Tracy - .281/.343/.451

Figgins - .267/.336/.376

 

The main issue is that Tracy had a .691 OPS away from Chase Field this season, which is well not good. But Chase and the Cell are similar for their propensity to favour the hitters.

 

Unfortunately, Tracy just ain't that good of a fielder at 3rd base. 25 errors and a .935 FPCT at 3rd base, compared to Crede's 10 errors and a .978 FPCT.

 

But the Sox could always go with the option, of moving Tracy to an OF spot, trading Podsednik, giving the leadoff spot to Gooch, and have Tracy hit 2nd in the order. And if Jermaine Dye leaves for FA, Tracy would be a good player to have fill RF. I think he's signed for another 3 years at about $10M IIRC.

 

Isn't Sauders just Heath Phillips plus 10 ML starts?

Probably, but he's young and cheap, which is probably why the D-Backs are interested in him.

 

They need some young pitching in their rotation, when they have the likes of Davis (who'll have to be re-signed) and Livan Hernandez, so it makes sense financially more than anything.

[Chisoxfn]

Oh man, thats a steal for the Angels. I'd be all over the idea of getting Chad Tracy, especially once they add another starter to there rotation (thus pushing Saunders out of it, even though I like Joe but he will never be a front line guy, back of the rotation guy yes and maybe a good back of the rotation guy).