fathom Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 03:50 AM) Im one of the biggest Kenny fanboys, and even I can say Williams looks awful right now. Didn't he say he wouldn't make any moves that wouldn't make us better in 2007? This isn't the time for the Sox to be going about things like a middle market team. There's too much at risk with the momentum in the city we've established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 09:52 PM) Meh, I dont see how this trade helps us this year unless we are flipping them for something else. I'm not sure this trade helps us in the future either. Unless they are flipped for a real valuable piece this trade is just terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:50 PM) Cause at least we'd be getting a 4th outfielder that could help against LHP. This is a disasterous trade...Gavin Floyd stinks. I would have rather we keep Garcia and then risk losing him after this season. Maybe another GM is an idiot and thinks Floyd is worth something (You know, like the best available starter through trade)? That's the best I can hope for right now because this deal looks absolutely terrible. If Rowand isn't involved, we didn't get ANYTHING that helps the team right now. If he is involved, then we at least have a 4th OFer...unless they trade Anderson for a High A-ball closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Floyd is not worthless...if he is, so is Brian Anderson, they both are 23 and they both faired poorly in first taste of major league action. 23 years old...Floyd looks to me like the Brian Anderson of pitching, which could be crap or could still be damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 09:52 PM) WHAT A f***IN rip off!!!!!! Pathetic. I hope you Garcia haters are happy now. im holding off judgement for now to see what KW does with the extra 10 mil. and prospects ....cuz i really think this is just the first piece of something much bigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIOin08 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I like it! Gio had a great year last year and i felt he was our best prospect last year... so garcia and rowand for Thome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 03:52 AM) WHAT A f***IN rip off!!!!!! Pathetic. I hope you Garcia haters are happy now. Well, if Garcia was better, then maybe he would have brought us back better players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I don't like being right in this instance, but I'll say this -- I knew Williams would f*** up any potential deal for a starting pitcher. Santo, you can freely browse through my posts if you wish. I just KNEW that when it came down to trading someone, we'd likely force whichever team acquiring said starter to eat nearly the entire salary. I don't even know that for a fact and I'll guaran-f***ing-tee that's exactly the circumstance. We were too cheap to take on Garcia's salary, so in return, Philadelphia dramatically lessened their proposal. It's embarrassing to watch this unfold. Explain to me how ANYONE -- especially in this pitching market -- can receive only Floyd and Gonzalez for Freddy GArcia? I'll remember this package when we're attempting to acquire a starting pitcher of Garcia's calibur in his walk year, and Williams (or whomever else) overpays for them. The only way I'll redeem Williams for this move is if he absolutely rapes another team for an assortment of pitching prospects. By pitching prospects I mean Pelfrey, Danks, Hurly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaliciense1 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Bad trade. Plain and simple. We could have gotten much more if we would have waited, There is a lot of teams looking for starting pitching and after they are all gone, someone was sure to overpay. Kenny Williams said he was not desperate to make a move, well he looked very despertate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...6&fext=.jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:53 PM) I'm not sure this trade helps us in the future either. Unless they are flipped for a real valuable piece this trade is just terrible. well gio could help in the future for sure... but now it makes the thome trade look really bad... Rowand, Garcia and Haigwood for Thome and Floyd???? ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I'm not gonna pass judgement on this trade yet because it's too early. On Floyd, his value is down yes, but KW and Coop have obviously seen something in him. He was a borderline top 10 prospect a couple of seasons back. He has good stuff, and the Sox must think they can fix ALA Matt Thornton. If that happens, it's a real good trade for the Sox, because they could end up with 2 starters who could fixtures in the Sox's rotation for the next decade. And that's IF they keep both of them. My guess is both are traded for Rocco Baldelli, who's available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 09:50 PM) Im one of the biggest Kenny fanboys, and even I can say Williams looks awful right now. Agreed, he better have something else up his sleeve or geez ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbeFroman Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 To be honest, I sorta doubt there is an impending trade right now. I mean, there's too much risk in taking on these guys without having a deal already in place. Unless this is already a three-way deal and we are only hearing about one-half of it, I don't think another deal is happening right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(Pods20 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:53 PM) I like it! Gio had a great year last year and i felt he was our best prospect last year... so garcia and rowand for Thome Not quite...we also gave them Dani Haigwood...not quite as electirc as Gio, but a solid top 10 prospect, at least in our org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 stupid, stupid deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 09:53 PM) Didn't he say he wouldn't make any moves that wouldn't make us better in 2007? This isn't the time for the Sox to be going about things like a middle market team. There's too much at risk with the momentum in the city we've established. Totally dead on. I feel like, during the past week, we've just heard Williams cry over and over about how out of whack the market is. I felt like we were being set up for some mid-market bull move, and sure enough, here it is. Even if that 10 million from Garcia gets re-invested into the team, it's net neutral for payroll -- just the way you think when you're a mid-market ballclub. Silliness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 03:53 AM) Well, if Garcia was better, then maybe he would have brought us back better players? you are right 17 wins sucks ass esspecially in this inflated desperate for pitching market. gimme a break fathom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Gio did not have a great year last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(Pods20 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:53 PM) I like it! Gio had a great year last year and i felt he was our best prospect last year... so garcia and rowand for Thome I dunno about "great". Like a 4.6 era, I think. Ton of strikeouts, young, first year at AA, so, not bad. But "great"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 This trade still leaves the Sox with 6 starteing pitchers. It doesn't seems Floyd has anything more to prove in the minors. I think there will be more to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 03:55 AM) you are right 17 wins sucks ass esspecially in this inflated desperate for pitching market. gimme a break fathom. Do you think any team is going to give up the farm in order to trade for him and give him a 3/40 million extension when his fastball is 88 mph? QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 03:55 AM) This trade still leaves the Sox with 6 starteing pitchers. It doesn't seems Floyd has anything more to prove in the minors. I think there will be more to come. On no planet should Floyd be starting in the AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I agree this trade will not make any sense unless KW has something else up his sleeve. If not, this is pathetic that this is all he could get for one of our starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:54 PM) I'm not gonna pass judgement on this trade yet because it's too early. On Floyd, his value is down yes, but KW and Coop have obviously seen something in him. He was a borderline top 10 prospect a couple of seasons back. He has good stuff, and the Sox must think they can fix ALA Matt Thornton. If that happens, it's a real good trade for the Sox, because they could end up with 2 starters who could fixtures in the Sox's rotation for the next decade. And that's IF they keep both of them. My guess is both are traded for Rocco Baldelli, who's available. Even if that's the case, Floyd should still have been available on the cheap, and KW should have been able to get something else as well. I just can't imagine that KW asked for Lackey then settled for this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I read where the Sox turned down a McCarthy for Baldelli deal. Possible one of these pitchers would be moved to Tampa Bay for Baldelli? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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