sox4lifeinPA Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 CNET.com lost an amazing editor this week. It hit me when I saw his name and recognized that I had watched a ton of his video reviews on MP3 players. for his family, this is such as sad event. James Kim of CNET.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 This is a tragedy, but an avoidable one. When travelling through wilderness areas, whether by foot or by vehicle, giving someone your travel plans including when you expect to return, is rule one. It is almost always better to stay with your shelter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I was reading that James Kim died of exposure and hypothermia, but I also read that they found him at the base of a cliff. Was he going loopy and he fell off the edge? Or did his body just shut down in the weather? I wonder if we will ever know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I wonder how many people carry a basic survival kit in their cars? I don't mean one of those survival in a can kits you see in outdoor stores. He could have survived nicely with just a few things, and they could have fit in a coffee can. First off, rule of 3. You can survive 3 minutes without oxygen 3 hours exposed to freezing temps 3 days without water 3 weeks without food Based on this anyone that keeps some extra food in their car and no water is missing the point. Exposure: Keep you fuel tank near full. Running you car's heater is a great way to stay warm. Just remember to keep the exhaust clear. Add a space blanket for everyone who may be in your vehicle. Even when going from heated garage to heated work, have clothes available for the outdoor temp. Keep a beanie, heavy socks, and mittens available. This will reduce your chances of frostbite. Water: It will probably freeze but have some available in your car and some means to warm it up. Sometimes a candle will work. A small backpacking stove works even better. A metal coffee can and esbitt tablets will melt enough snow to keep you hydrated for a very long time and costs next to nothing. Visibility: Make yourself big. Have some means of signaling. Perhaps an old cd which you can site through the hole and it will reflect light a long ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 All real good tips, but I am wondering how many of us actually have a chance to get stuck in the wilderness anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 09:13 AM) All real good tips, but I am wondering how many of us actually have a chance to get stuck in the wilderness anymore? It isn't just wilderness. If your daily commute or trip places you on a couple mile stretch of farm roads, that's where the drifting can happen. It may not be about survival, but comfort while you wait for help. For almost zero cost, and a few minutes time, you could have the peace of mind knowing you are prepared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 Thanks Tex. If I'm ever in Texas again, can I sign up for scouts with you? I got my first class rank, but quit because unfortunately, the actual boys that make up boy scouts often are douche bags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 09:23 AM) the actual boys that make up boy scouts often are douche bags yes, there are some, but they usually quit at First Class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 09:15 AM) It isn't just wilderness. If your daily commute or trip places you on a couple mile stretch of farm roads, that's where the drifting can happen. It may not be about survival, but comfort while you wait for help. For almost zero cost, and a few minutes time, you could have the peace of mind knowing you are prepared. Exactly. Wasn't there a story a year or so ago where an old man went off a busy interstate into an uncut cornfield and wasn't found for weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 10:36 AM) yes, there are some, but they usually quit at First Class HAHAHAHA.... well put. well put. one my fellow scouters killed his parents with a .22 he was a douche bag. I like my parents. case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 The other item I should have mentioned, is having the knowledge to use what you have. Also, how many people carry even a basic first aid kit in their car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 My box came with one! I always keep lots of spare CDs. Believe it or not, they're great for traction when you're stuck in the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 google earth images of kim's path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(thedoctor @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:12 PM) google earth images of kim's path Wow, that is very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(thedoctor @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:12 PM) google earth images of kim's path this is very, very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 06:23 PM) Wow, that is very interesting. apparently the lodge that was near their car was closed for the winter, so that wouldn't have been an option. his disrobing has he went along is the subject of a fair amount of speculation. he could either have been trying to leave some kind of trail, or he was losing it at that point. either way it is sad. but as you've pointed out, entirely avoidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(thedoctor @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:31 PM) apparently the lodge that was near their car was closed for the winter, so that wouldn't have been an option. his disrobing has he went along is the subject of a fair amount of speculation. he could either have been trying to leave some kind of trail, or he was losing it at that point. either way it is sad. but as you've pointed out, entirely avoidable. I'd say he lost it when he left the road... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Did he leave the road because it was snow covered and he didn't know where the road was? Does anybody know that? If the road was visible, what the heck logic is there in walking into the woods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(thedoctor @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:31 PM) apparently the lodge that was near their car was closed for the winter, so that wouldn't have been an option. his disrobing has he went along is the subject of a fair amount of speculation. he could either have been trying to leave some kind of trail, or he was losing it at that point. either way it is sad. but as you've pointed out, entirely avoidable. In the final stages of hypothermia, bodily changes makes the person feel hot and they will shed clothes. Nasty little practical joke our designer built into our systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 on-line mapping may have contributed to tragedy http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/faul...5081119464.html Linked above. I live in an area where the on-line mapping software always shows a much longer and slower route, so I know there are inaccuracies and always double check a couple sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 I just had two experiences with losing my way because of google maps blowing goats. They definitely give you roundabout directions. new christmas gift on my wish list.... GPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 04:44 PM) I just had two experiences with losing my way because of google maps blowing goats. They definitely give you roundabout directions. new christmas gift on my wish list.... GPS. Same potential problem with GPS, unless the road information is being updated for repairs, and potential weather conditions, they are less than perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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