Soxman72 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:08 PM) Damn that Paul Konerko is the most selfish player I've ever seen Did PK hit a Grand Slam in the World Series to help the team win? I am sure A-Rod has done the same thing - right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:14 AM) Did PK hit a Grand Slam in the World Series to help the team win? I am sure A-Rod has done the same thing - right? So was Kong selfish BEFORE he hit that Grand Slam in the WS???? Wasn't Maggs selfish when he was with us? Didn;t his team just go to the WS? Wasn't Bill Cowher considered a coach who will never win anything in the playoffs? What happened last year? All these generalizations that are purely garbage should be treated as such. Just because you propogate more lies may make it the truth in your eyes but to the more discerning folks, it does not. Edited December 8, 2006 by sox-r-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxman72 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:14 PM) Well done. My thoughts exactly. Amazing how this word "cancer" has become so over-used that it means nothing to me anytime I hear it now. Ridiculous.... It is a reflection of the pathetic media in big cities and the society we live in. Put the blame where it needs to go....and think for your self for a change. Amazing how people as nice as ARod get beat up too. Maybe it would be better if he killed someone or beat up his wife for some of you to focus on other players. No one is questioning how nice of a person he is, but the fact is that he does not win. We all know that winning is everything. "Win or Die Trying!" Sammy Sosa did charity work and always had a smile on his face - Does that make him a nice person or do you know A-Rod personally. QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:17 PM) So was Kong selfish BEFORE he hit that Grand Slam in the WS???? Wasn't Maggs selfish when he was with us? Didn;t his team just go to the WS? When did I call Maggs selfish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:10 PM) Have you been watching the same A-Rod I have been watching. Please tell me why there was such a circus in the Yankee clubhouse surrounding A-Rod and do not give me "It's the Yankees" excuse. So, I'll take that as a "no." The Yankees clubhouse was a circus when Giambi and Sheffield were linked to BALCO. It was also a circus when they signed Randy Johnson. As for A-Rod, the media circus had to do with him not playing up to expectations this year, not him being a bad teammate. While I'm not really an A-Rod fan, I have yet to see an example of him being anything other than a professional. He gracefully moved over to 3B when the Yankees traded for him. If that's not being a "team player", I don't know what is. Next time, cite a concrete example when you bad-mouth a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:19 AM) No one is questioning how nice of a person he is, but the fact is that he does not win. And that does not mean he will never win in the future. Look at the Cowher eg I gave you. QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:19 AM) When did I call Maggs selfish? It is an example to show you how people (not necessary you) have said stuff about people all the time and linked it to why their teams will never see success only to be proven wrong. Be careful making generalizations about people you have never met. They are wrong 99% of the time. QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:20 AM) So, I'll take that as a "no." The Yankees clubhouse was a circus when Giambi and Sheffield were linked to BALCO. It was also a circus when they signed Randy Johnson. As for A-Rod, the media circus had to do with him not playing up to expectations this year, not him being a bad teammate. While I'm not really an A-Rod fan, I have yet to see an example of him being anything other than a professional. He gracefully moved over to 3B when the Yankees traded for him. If that's not being a "team player", I don't know what is. Next time, cite a concrete example when you bad-mouth a player. Excellent point. If Jeter was this great, classy guy that everyone seems to think he is, why did he not give up the SS position to the best SS in the game and move to 3B himself? Maybe all Jeter cares about is his own legacy???? Nah......Arod is the one with the ego. Yeah riiiigggghhhtttt..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxman72 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:20 PM) So, I'll take that as a "no." The Yankees clubhouse was a circus when Giambi and Sheffield were linked to BALCO. It was also a circus when they signed Randy Johnson. As for A-Rod, the media circus had to do with him not playing up to expectations this year, not him being a bad teammate. While I'm not really an A-Rod fan, I have yet to see an example of him being anything other than a professional. He gracefully moved over to 3B when the Yankees traded for him. If that's not being a "team player", I don't know what is. Next time, cite a concrete example when you bad-mouth a player. The clubhouse situation with A-Rod had to do with his teammates not steroids A-Rod making comments about the ultimate team player in Jeter is an example in itself. That is where is started going really bad for A-Rod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Guillen @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 10:45 PM) The rumor also included trading Crede to the Yanks, bringing up J. Fields and moving AROD back to shortstop. Heh that was my idea except for trading Crede!!! Maybe with all that money saved we can sign Bonds and pack the house every night as he goes for Hammerin Hanks record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:25 PM) Excellent point. If Jeter was this great, classy guy that everyone seems to think he is, why did he not give up the SS position to the best SS in the game and move to 3B himself? Maybe all Jeter cares about is his own legacy???? Nah......Arod is the one with the ego. Yeah riiiigggghhhtttt..... I think that Jeter actually is a pretty classy guy. I'm sure that he has an ego, but think that it's comparatively small to other superstar pro athletes. The A-Rod bashing is so out of control now that his character and sportsmanship is being called into question. Next thing you know, he'll be a bat-corker and a steroid-user. And then he'll be an adulterer and a cokehead. When will the idiocy stop? Edited December 8, 2006 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxman72 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:25 PM) And that does not mean he will never win in the future. Look at the Cowher eg I gave you. It is an example to show you how people (not necessary you) have said stuff about people all the time and linked it to why their teams will never see success only to be proven wrong. Be careful making generalizations about people you have never met. They are wrong 99% of the time. Excellent point. If Jeter was this great, classy guy that everyone seems to think he is, why did he not give up the SS position to the best SS in the game and move to 3B himself? Maybe all Jeter cares about is his own legacy???? Nah......Arod is the one with the ego. Yeah riiiigggghhhtttt..... When has Jeter called out a teammate? Jeter is the ultimate professional and he leads by example. In this big circus that is the Yankee clubhouse how many times do you hear negative news about Jeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:32 PM) When has Jeter called out a teammate? Jeter is the ultimate professional and he leads by example. In this big circus that is the Yankee clubhouse how many times do you hear negative news about Jeter Jeter lead the Yankees to four championships. A-Rod hasn't. Do you think THAT might have something to do with it? Again, you have yet to produce one concrete example of A-Rod being a bad teammate. Either do so, or zip it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxman72 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:32 PM) I think that Jeter actually is a pretty classy guy. I'm sure that he has an ego, but think that it's comparatively small to other superstar pro athletes. The A-Rod bashing is so out of control now that his character and sportsmanship is being called into question. Next thing you know, he'll be a bad-corker and a steroid-user. And then he'll be an adulterer and a cokehead. When will the idiocy stop? I did not start be questioning his personality. He gets paid a lot of money to win and the guy does not win. He has had his chances on some great teams to win and has put up average if not below average stats for a player of his class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxman72 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:34 PM) Jeter lead the Yankees to four championships. A-Rod hasn't. Do you think THAT might have something to do with it? Again, you have yet to produce one concrete example of A-Rod being a bad teammate. Either do so, or zip it. Thank you for stating what my whole argument has been about and what I have been trying to say. A-Rod has not won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:36 PM) Thank you for stating what my whole argument has been about and what I have been trying to say. A-Rod has not won. Oh, so what about this? QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 03:42 PM) The point is that A-Rod is not a team player. Not winning does not equal being a bad team player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 maybe if the yankees pitching had been better they would've won, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxman72 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Listen - We have different opinions and you are not going to change my mind. IMO he is not a team palyer and I am sure I am not the only person on this board that thinks that way. There is a reason why the New York Yankees are shopping one of the best individual players of our time. If he is so good on and off the field - Why are the Yankees shoppping him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:32 PM) When has Jeter called out a teammate? Jeter is the ultimate professional and he leads by example. In this big circus that is the Yankee clubhouse how many times do you hear negative news about Jeter I agree, like that time Jeter moved over from short to 3rd to make room for a better defensive shortstop. Edited December 8, 2006 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:42 PM) Are you really comapring Widger with the likes of Pujols and A-Rod? Because I never did. But you implied that A-Rod is not the best player in baseball because he does not have a World Series ring. My point is that that's something that is entirely team-dependent. A-Rod can't control the playing ability of the rest of his team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:51 PM) I agree, like that team Jeter moved over from short to 3rd to make room for a better defensive shortstop. and we have a winnar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 07:00 PM) and we have a winnar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 A-Rod has gotten a raw deal in NYY, but i doubt he moves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:50 PM) Listen - We have different opinions and you are not going to change my mind. IMO he is not a team palyer and I am sure I am not the only person on this board that thinks that way. There is a reason why the New York Yankees are shopping one of the best individual players of our time. If he is so good on and off the field - Why are the Yankees shoppping him? Your opinions are fine, no one around Soxtalk has a problem with opinions. When you start stating them as facts, you get called on it. Immediately. Dont say Arod is a bad teamate unless you have proof. Dont say Arod isnt a winner because he doesnt have a ring. Its pretty simple. No one is trying to change your mind, they are asking you why you think so poorly of someone that you call one of the best individual players of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:34 AM) Jeter lead the Yankees to four championships. A-Rod hasn't. Do you think THAT might have something to do with it? Again, you have yet to produce one concrete example of A-Rod being a bad teammate. Either do so, or zip it. So you dont think the Yanks wouldnt of won those championships with A-rod on the team instead of Jeter.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:32 AM) When has Jeter called out a teammate? Jeter is the ultimate professional and he leads by example. In this big circus that is the Yankee clubhouse how many times do you hear negative news about Jeter When did ARod call out a team mate? If anything, ARod goes about just worrying about getting better and fixing the problems he sees with his play. Define "lead by example". Why do you think ARod does not lead by example. His #s are as good as Jeter except some parts of last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxman72 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 07:04 PM) Your opinions are fine, no one around Soxtalk has a problem with opinions. When you start stating them as facts, you get called on it. Immediately. Dont say Arod is a bad teamate unless you have proof. Dont say Arod isnt a winner because he doesnt have a ring. Its pretty simple. No one is trying to change your mind, they are asking you why you think so poorly of someone that you call one of the best individual players of all time. Those would be my opinions. I never once stated them as fact. A-Rod just like Bonds is not a winner IMO because he has not won a championship. Is A-Rod a good player? - yes. Do I enjoy watching him play? - yes. Do I want him in a White Sox uniform? - No. Please do tell me what to say or not to say when it comes to my opinion. If I ever give a false fact or statement I will correct my self and apologize. If people are asking for proof that he is not a good guy in the clubhouse I would then ask for proof that he is a good guy in the club house. QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 07:14 PM) When did ARod call out a team mate? If anything, ARod goes about just worrying about getting better and fixing the problems he sees with his play. Define "lead by example". Why do you think ARod does not lead by example. His #s are as good as Jeter except some parts of last year. He called out Jeter this past season in press. Radio, Paper, ESPN all covered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:14 AM) A-Rod just like Bonds is not a winner IMO because he has not won a championship. Ok then in that case we should have never signed/traded for Freddy Garcia, Contreras, Jim Thome, Juan Uribe, AJ Pierzsinky etc since they had never won a ring before coming to us too. Your logic is warped dude. QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:16 AM) He called out Jeter this past season in press. Radio, Paper, ESPN all covered it. Please show me the exact quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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