Balta1701 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 The Rangers have reportedly agreed to a 1 year, $8 million deal with former Dodger closer Eric Gagne, a day after agreeing to a deal with former Dodger CF Kenny Lofton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Lofton's 11th team, if my counting skills are right. Interesting to see Gagne making that much in a year he'll really have to prove himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 That's too much to pay for a reliever who was dominant for a while but then again may have had much of his success due to steroids and is one false move away from another arm surgery. Texas has no clue how to spend their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Gagne is awesome when healthy and a fun player to watch. I hope he'll pan out and stay healthy. Still a ton of money for an injury prone guy and the Lofton move is a decent one. The Dodgers did a nice job giving Kenny consistent rest and he rewarded them by having a pretty darn good season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:39 PM) Gagne is awesome when healthy and a fun player to watch. I hope he'll pan out and stay healthy. Still a ton of money for an injury prone guy and the Lofton move is a decent one. The Dodgers did a nice job giving Kenny consistent rest and he rewarded them by having a pretty darn good season. I don't. And I don't know why anyone would root for a steroid abuser to make a come back. Screw him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 10:49 AM) I don't. And I don't know why anyone would root for a steroid abuser to make a come back. Screw him. Is there evidence around Gagne anywhere near what we've seen with McGwire or Bonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:51 PM) Is there evidence around Gagne anywhere near what we've seen with McGwire or Bonds? Don't give me that BS, Balta. Everyone and their brother knows that he juiced, regardless of the evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:57 PM) Don't give me that BS, Balta. Everyone and their brother knows that he juiced, regardless of the evidence. I don't remember him being in any of the talks, nor have I ever considered him. So Balta's not the only one to think that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 10:58 AM) I don't remember him being in any of the talks, nor have I ever considered him. So Balta's not the only one to think that way. I know I've heard a few rumors crop up here and there, and he is one of those guys with a big performance spike and dropoff after 04, but as far as we know he hasn't tested positive, no one's produced documents and witnesses saying they injected him, he wasn't in Canseco's book, and no one found anything in his locker. I'm not saying he for certain didn't, I'm saying that thus far I haven't seen anything that meets any standard of proof other than looking for a rapid rise and decline at about 02-04 (and with a fireballing pitcher, that can happen just from injuries too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:04 PM) I know I've heard a few rumors crop up here and there, and he is one of those guys with a big performance spike and dropoff after 04, but as far as we know he hasn't tested positive, no one's produced documents and witnesses saying they injected him, he wasn't in Canseco's book, and no one found anything in his locker. I'm not saying he for certain didn't, I'm saying that thus far I haven't seen anything that meets any standard of proof other than looking for a rapid rise and decline at about 02-04 (and with a fireballing pitcher, that can happen just from injuries too) Agreed on the second part. By saying what I said, I'm not saying I won't be surprised if he was found to have used steroids at some point. However, I don't feel he deserves to be held in the same regard as Bonds, Sosa, and McGwire yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 there wasnt any "proof" that Brady Anderson juiced either... but I'm pretty sure he did. Gagne is a CLASSIC example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 He juiced, quit being naive. There's a reason he all of the sudden got really good and is now injured just about all of the time. I don't need a positive test or a needle in his locker to determine that. It's the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Usually when someone is on steriods there are rumors and talk. I haven't heard any about him. That's not saying he isn't but I don't think it's likely. Pitchers use steroids more for endurance and the ability to recover faster, not to throw harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 09:28 PM) It's the truth. Yeah, I mean, look at all the facts that you and Milkman have provided in this thread. How can the rest of the world not believe that he was a 'roider? The rest of the world calls that 'speculation'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Gagne is a lot like Bonds, from my viewpoint. Both were amazing to watch during their big "run", as they've dominated their position like no one else has before them. However, it's hard to ignore the changes to their body, as well as what happened to them as soon as the steroid testing came into play. I remember watching Gagne face the Cubs when he was a starter, and he was a skinny guy throwing around 92 mph. The next year, here comes the huge guy throwing 98 or 99 mph to the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) Gagne is a lot like Bonds, from my viewpoint. Both were amazing to watch during their big "run", as they've dominated their position like no one else has before them. However, it's hard to ignore the changes to their body, as well as what happened to them as soon as the steroid testing came into play. I remember watching Gagne face the Cubs when he was a starter, and he was a skinny guy throwing around 92 mph. The next year, here comes the huge guy throwing 98 or 99 mph to the plate. That's not good enough. I need a needle directly out of his ass to be sure about this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 10:06 PM) I remember watching Gagne face the Cubs when he was a starter, and he was a skinny guy throwing around 92 mph. The next year, here comes the huge guy throwing 98 or 99 mph to the plate. http://www.superiorsportsinvestments.com/8950 Here's a rookie picture of Gagne. I would hardly call that "skinny". And really? A guy throwing harder as a reliever than as a starter? Who'd'a thunk it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 06:19 PM) That's not good enough. I need a needle directly out of his ass to be sure about this one. Enough with the smart-ass remarks. I haven't even heard his name in any kind of rumors. I get suspicious of people that have certain appearance changes and people that get their names listed for this and that, just as anyone else in the world does. However, I've seen neither when it comes to Gagne, and that's been my point all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Witch-hunts are fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 01:35 AM) Enough with the smart-ass remarks. I haven't even heard his name in any kind of rumors. I get suspicious of people that have certain appearance changes and people that get their names listed for this and that, just as anyone else in the world does. However, I've seen neither when it comes to Gagne, and that's been my point all along. I actually recall an article in SI a few years back where they were shocked at how some baseball players came into the offseason looking like professional wrestlers, in regards to their body. Those players were Trot Nixon, Eric Gagne, and the immortal Ben Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 06:08 AM) I actually recall an article in SI a few years back where they were shocked at how some baseball players came into the offseason looking like professional wrestlers, in regards to their body. Those players were Trot Nixon, Eric Gagne, and the immortal Ben Davis. Oh, right. More conjecture. I like how you posted your little anecdote about how one year, Gagne was a "skinny" guy and the next year he was all muscular, despite the fact that in the rookie picture I posted, he's not what you would call "skinny" at all. Nice one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Gagne's been whispered about plenty. From the LA Times today: Some will say that Gagne's physical breakdown was a clear example of the damage caused by steroids. Gagne denied using steroids, but in a baseball environment where everyone showing a drastic increase in power was guilty, he was always surrounded by whispers of suspicions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 10:12 AM) Gagne's been whispered about plenty. From the LA Times today: I wonder if the LA Times ever referred to the possibility while Gagne was still a Dodger. Or, is this breaking news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Once again: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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