Daisuke Matsuzaka signs

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Nov 14, 2006 -> 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I dont want to hear on Red Sox fan complain about the Yankees payroll ever again

 

Why? The Red Sox cannot afford to go over the luxury tax, the Yankees can. This money doesn't go towards that tax.

 

The Red Sox and White Sox draw strong similarities post-World Series financially, but that's nor here nor there.

 

*Ducks cover*

[Gene Honda Civic]

Why? The Red Sox cannot afford to go over the luxury tax, the Yankees can. This money doesn't go towards that tax.

 

Do you understand how the luxury tax works? Because this posting fee will be about equal to the luxury tax that the Yankees will have paid out in '06 and '07 combined.

 

You can spout all the "we can't pay the luxury tax" bulls*** you want. It doesn't make it true. Call it whatever you want, luxury tax, posting fee, dowry, I don't give a damn. Just stop trying to claim your s*** don't stink.

Edited November 15, 2006 by Gene Honda Civic

[whitesoxfan101]

Red Sox : Calling the Yankees the Evil Empire ::

Ted Haggard : demonizing the gay lifestyle as immoral

 

Well put. With that said, I hate both and have hated both for years.

[redandwhite]

See, it's funny you mention that the Yankees have paid that amount the last two years through the Luxury Tax.

 

Are the Yankees also going to get almost all of it back through a TV deal in Japan, and then make money on the investment through merchandise, etc?

 

I didn't think so, blogster. Just stop trying to claim your s*** don't stink.

[whitesoxfan101]

See, it's funny you mention that the Yankees have paid that amount the last two years through the Luxury Tax.

 

Are the Yankees also going to get almost all of it back through a TV deal in Japan, and then make money on the investment through merchandise, etc?

 

I didn't think so, blogster. Just stop trying to claim your s*** don't stink.

 

I'm sure signing Mr. Gyroball won't lead to any sort of TV or merchandising deals in Japan

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm sure signing Mr. Gyroball won't lead to any sort of TV or merchandising deals in Japan

 

From all the overseas reports I've read, this seems like the biggest news of the year. How do you figure?

[whitesoxfan101]

From all the overseas reports I've read, this seems like the biggest news of the year. How do you figure?

 

It was sarcasm. I'm sure the Red Sox will see some money coming back from Tokyo, assuming they get the deal done.

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It was sarcasm. I'm sure the Red Sox will see some money coming back from Tokyo, assuming they get the deal done.

 

And if they don't get the deal done, then all that money that came right from John Henry's pockets goes right back in. God, I hope that doesn't happen.

 

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Isn't it true All overseas MLB merchandise revenue is divided evenly amongst all the MLB ballclubs?

 

I'm not entirely sure about merchandise. However, the Yankees make an astronomical amount from YES being broadcasted overseas, just as the Red Sox will make money from NESN being purchased and broadcasted overseas.

[Gene Honda Civic]

See, it's funny you mention that the Yankees have paid that amount the last two years through the Luxury Tax.

 

Are the Yankees also going to get almost all of it back through a TV deal in Japan, and then make money on the investment through merchandise, etc?

 

I didn't think so, blogster. Just stop trying to claim your s*** don't stink.

No the Yankees money gets redistributed back into baseball to help level the playing field.

 

When the Red Sox overspend, as you so astutely pointed out, circumnavigating the luxury tax, that money goes directly into the pockets of the Lions' owners.

 

So, really. The Yankees aren't the ones gaming the system, it's the Red Sox.

 

You'll also recall that the free agent compensation laws were altered in the new CBA -- they were set to be chopped altogether -- Why? Because no team in baseball has benefited more from offering departing free agents arbitration than the Red Sox. Other teams began to cry foul at the Red Sox gaming of the system.

 

And now you're rationalizing the money spent, spouting the company line almost word-for-word from Peter Gammons about TV deals, advertising potential, and untapped markets. Give me a break.

 

The Yankees may only know one way to be evil, but Boston has teams of Havard grads lined up to think of new ways to be evil. What's the difference?

[Chisoxfn]

I just have one thing to say, for what they are paying they could have signed Schmidt and Zito and I'd rather have that than Matszuka. Don't get me wrong I think Matszuka if healthy is going to be a top notch pitcher but the amount of money (between the posting fee and what his contract will be) will likely make the net cost an Arod like cost (obviously Matszuka won't be getting that much but the BoSox will be paying that much).

 

Of course one thing to focus on is how good the BoSox will be able to market in Japan. Plus they may have a new untap market (although I have no idea if Boston has much of an Asian population). I know the Angels were players because Moreno thought he could make a bloody fortune by having the premiere Japanese pitcher throwing in Anaheim (we have a huge Asian population here and in LA) and would also have a huge following in japan if they could have landed him.

[redandwhite]

So the Red Sox are cheaters now? haha.

 

Here's a cookie:

 

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 14, 2006 -> 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

See, it's funny you mention that the Yankees have paid that amount the last two years through the Luxury Tax.

 

Are the Yankees also going to get almost all of it back through a TV deal in Japan, and then make money on the investment through merchandise, etc?

 

I didn't think so, blogster. Just stop trying to claim your s*** don't stink.

Unless the Japanese people are buying NESN t-shirts or hats, merchandising isn't a factor. The White Sox get just as much money from the "Welcome to New York, Johnny" T-shirts as the Red Sox and Yankees.

[redandwhite]

The YES Network is broadcast overseas. It's been rumored that NESN will go the same route and as a result money will be made.

[southsideirish71]

The YES Network is broadcast overseas. It's been rumored that NESN will go the same route and as a result money will be made.

 

 

Has Theo ever done anything wrong in your eyes. 51 million just to negotiate with a pitcher who has some serious wear and tear on his arm. Maybe Theo should ask Bill James about pitcher abuse points. As Jason had said, you could of taken the large amount of money you dished on a might be and put in on 2 of the offseasons best starters and still had some change left over.

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Has Theo ever done anything wrong in your eyes. 51 million just to negotiate with a pitcher who has some serious wear and tear on his arm. Maybe Theo should ask Bill James about pitcher abuse points. As Jason had said, you could of taken the large amount of money you dished on a might be and put in on 2 of the offseasons best starters and still had some change left over.

 

Theo has done a lot of wrong. Of late, he's done more wrong than right.

 

And no, as much as I respect Jason, he's wrong. Not only would 51.1 million dollars not be enough to ink the both of them for two seasons combined, the Red Sox wouldn't have done that, because they would be right near or possibly over the Luxury Tax, something they have come out and said they wouldn't do.

 

Schmidt might be able to be had, in addition to Matsuzaka. Curt Schilling and him are friendly and said today he'd love to talk to him and do some convincing.

[whitesoxfan101]

Matsuzaka, Schmidt, Wakefield, Schilling, Beckett.....

 

Well at least you are building around horses that don't get injured too often!! Red Cubs indeed (although to be fair, Gyroball hasn't been injured yet, but he has thrown a few innings and pitches)

Edited November 15, 2006 by whitesoxfan101

[redandwhite]

Please, just because they are friends doesn't mean he'll be signed.

 

I prefer the Peavy rumors.

 

Schilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Peavy, Papelbon with Lester coming back, god willing. That's a damn good rotation.

[southsideirish71]

Theo has done a lot of wrong. Of late, he's done more wrong than right.

 

And no, as much as I respect Jason, he's wrong. Not only would 51.1 million dollars not be enough to ink the both of them for two seasons combined, the Red Sox wouldn't have done that, because they would be right near or possibly over the Luxury Tax, something they have come out and said they wouldn't do.

 

Schmidt might be able to be had, in addition to Matsuzaka. Curt Schilling and him are friendly and said today he'd love to talk to him and do some convincing.

 

 

51 million + whatever Boras bends your team over for. Say he gets 3 years at 10 mill, which will be a low ball. Thats 81.1 million dollars over 3 years for one pitcher. Tell me again, how that is so much better than getting Zito and Schmidt and paying some luxury tax. At least those two have won in the majors, at least those two have been in playoff baseball.

 

51 million dollars might as well be a luxury tax, except it benefits no one besides some Japanese team.

[redandwhite]

You can't simply add the posting fee and the contract together like that.

 

$10 million at 40% is $14 million dollars, where as $51.1 million is $51.1 million.

 

As I mentioned before, or perhaps I was just thinking it in my head, I view the posting fee money the same I viewed the money spent on renovating Fenway in years past. It's going to better my Fenway experience, it's coming right out of the owner's pockets, and it won't hinder the team down the road as signing Zito and Schmidt would have.

[Gene Honda Civic]

So the Red Sox are cheaters now? haha.

 

Here's a cookie:

 

Embrace the dark side, Luke.

[whitesoxfan101]

Embrace the dark side, Luke.

 

Hell yeah, in fact, if i were him, i'd enjoy being the bad guys. I mean hell, I almost liked the White Sox more when we drew 1.7 million and were known as the team in the bad stadium with hick fans in the ghetto that everybody hated. It was more fun that way sometimes.

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Embrace the dark side, Luke.

 

I am your father.

 

God, I wonder what the White Sox bid. Lets say the White Sox won the bid for $30 million dollars. What would you say then?

 

And wipe that chocolate off your face.

[whitesoxfan101]

I am your father.

 

God, I wonder what the White Sox bid. Lets say the White Sox won the bid for $30 million dollars. What would you say then?

 

And wipe that chocolate off your face.

 

I'd say that was a potential 30 million dollar waste if they did. I want no part of a Japanese player that has done NOTHING in the U.S. that I have to "bid" on just to get a shot to sign.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I'm way too lazy to read through this whole thread. So forgive me if this has been mentioned before. Does Boston get that money back if they fail to reach a deal? LOL@them if they don't.

[redandwhite]

No money has changed hands of yet. If a deal is struck, the Red Sox would be inclined to send over $51.1 million dollars. If a deal is not struck, then as we currently sit, no money would be done away with.