Alex Rios?

[South Side Fireworks Man]

Buster Olney reports that Toronto may move Alex Rios. Apparently they are looking for starting pitching.

 

Rios can play CF or RF. He could start in CF for the Sox in 2007 and move to RF in 2008 if Dye leaves.

 

Any thoughts pro or con? Does anyone see a possible match for a trade between the Sox and Jays for Rios?

 

Discuss.

[Gregory Pratt]

Williams had better be on the phone right now trying to pry him away but I'm pretty sure that we won't be able to get it done.

[DBAHO]

Riccardi would probably ask for B-Mac I'd imagine, so that'd be a no no.

 

But if you could get him for some of SP spects like Lance Broadway (which I doubt would happen) I'd be for it.

[ShoeLessRob]

If they aren't asking for anything to crazy, Rios would be great to have. He's going to be a great player ... hell he already is ... but like above, they would probally ask for McCarthy in return and that would be difficult to swallow.

[bigruss]

If we could give up a Pods and a prospect like Broadway, i would totally go for it. His numbers make him look like a leadoff candidate, he hit .302 with a .349 OBS, and a mediocre 15 SB, but he was also placed at 8th or 9th in the lineup so that he was under no pressure, I am not to sure how well he would adjust if forced into a larger role like a leadoff spot, i just dont see the sox taking him on and keeping anderson, pods, and dye, one would have to go with pods being the most likely.

 

he has a lot of talent, but wasnt he hitting around .340 or something, and if he did and then finished at .302 i would be scared that he might be really streaky, which the sox should stay away from (personally i believe we need a guy that will consistently have a hit or two and can walk regularly)

 

if not to much is asked for, it would be a great acquistion but def no mccarthy, sicne we will need all the arms we can within a year or two with the expiring contracts

[G&T]

Riccardi would probably ask for B-Mac I'd imagine, so that'd be a no no.

 

But if you could get him for some of SP spects like Lance Broadway (which I doubt would happen) I'd be for it.

 

I'd imagine they'd take Garland if they couldn't get BMac. Below market cost for 2 years would be worth it for them, but I doubt KW will traded anyone except Vazquez.

[Big Hurtin]

Rios can play CF or RF. He could start in CF for the Sox in 2007 and move to RF in 2008 if Dye leaves.

 

F that, can he play LEFT field?

[Chisoxfn]

Just for kicks, lets just say we did Trade Garland and Broadway for Rios.

 

What happens to the rotation. I would love getting a younger player like Rios, and while I want to be in the playoffs in 2010, I also want to be in the playoffs now, and having Floyd/Haeger/Sisco in the rotation isn't going to work, not for me at least.

No it wouldn't. In addition that would be an absolute robbery by the Blue Jays.

[South Side Fireworks Man]

he has a lot of talent, but wasnt he hitting around .340 or something, and if he did and then finished at .302 i would be scared that he might be really streaky, which the sox should stay away from (personally i believe we need a guy that will consistently have a hit or two and can walk regularly)

 

Rios missed time with a severe staph infection and slumped when he first returned.

[SoxHawk1980]

Just for kicks, lets just say we did Trade Garland and Broadway for Rios.

 

What happens to the rotation. I would love getting a younger player like Rios, and while I want to be in the playoffs in 2010, I also want to be in the playoffs now, and having Floyd/Haeger/Sisco in the rotation isn't going to work, not for me at least.

No doubt. I'd love to have Rios, but we can't handle losing another SP. We have no one who is dependable to step in and make 25 starts.

 

No it wouldn't. In addition that would be an absolute robbery by the Blue Jays.

Would you do Garland for Rios straight up? I wouldn't. It might be a fair talent-for-talent deal, but I don't think the Sox can afford to give up another SP. It would fill one big hole and open another.

[Chisoxfn]

No doubt. I'd love to have Rios, but we can't handle losing another SP. We have no one who is dependable to step in and make 25 starts.

Would you do Garland for Rios straight up? I wouldn't. It might be a fair talent-for-talent deal, but I don't think the Sox can afford to give up another SP. It would fill one big hole and open another.

Good lord know. I wouldn't even think about it. If they want to give us some young pitching than fine, but not straight up. I think they have a couple decent young arms but I doubt they'd give up both. And I should add if we trade anyone it should be Buehrle (unless he's indicated he's open to signing an extension).

 

I could also accept Vazquez. Even though I'm one of the bigger Javy fans on this board (after being his biggest critic and someone that was against the trade) I think Javy made good adjustments and is going to have some real nice years (hopefully with the Sox). Plus I like the fact we have him for this year and next year (same with Jon) but if we could keep Buehrle than I have no problem moving Javy. The main thing is, I want 3 of our 4 guys (Javy/Jose/Mark/Garland) back here the following year. Now all of those guys (except for Mark, because if he pitched the next year it would mean he signed a fat deal) would be free agents that final year, but the fact is they will still be here and we can move them then (plus we'll have a far better idea of what Bmac/Floyd/Gio/Haeger/Broadway are capable of and may decide we can move another one of those guys for some other needs or more prospects or we could decide we can't afford it and stick with it and try and spend the money to keep another vet or two if we need it).

 

Either way if we move Garland now it takes away our options a year from now and I don't want us to be in a position where we have to have almost all our young pitchers develop and develop fast to compete a year from now (and yes...despite some people's thoughts we are still clearly one of the 4 or 5 best teams in baseball and capable of being a champion). Instead if we move Buehrle and hold onto the other 3 we know if we need to (even if they walk) we can get another year out of 3 above average starters that can give us innings and protect/teach our youngsters.

[beautox]

No it wouldn't. In addition that would be an absolute robbery by the Blue Jays.

 

+1

[RudyLawRules]

According to Olney...

 

"The word among rival executives is that now that the Blue Jays have locked up Vernon Wells, they are shopping Rios in their quest to land a No. 4 starter for their rotation. "He's a pretty good player to have out there right now," said an NL executive."

 

A 4th starter? Hmmmm.

[Kalapse]

I don't think they're talking 4th starter in the conventional sense but rather someone to pitch behind Halladay, Burnett and Chacin. So they don't mean an average pitcher but rather a pitcher to plug into the 4th spot in their rotation.

 

I don't see any reason why the Jays would deal him for anything less than a young, stud, MLB-Ready starter.

[DBAHO]

Here's what Rotoworld said bout him;

 

With Vernon Wells locked up, the Blue Jays will consider trading Alex Rios, ESPN's Buster Olney reports.

 

The Jays tried to trade Rios for Paul Maholm a year ago. Fortunately for them, the Pirates turned down the offer (bad GMs have a way of cancelling each other out sometimes). Rios went on to have his breakthough season, albeit one interriupted by a staph infection, and has a lot more value now. The Blue Jays shouldn't think about parting with him for anything less than a rising star pitcher with a similar amount of service time. We'd argue that Rios, being four years away from free agency, is worth even more in trade than Wells was a few days ago. Olney suggests that the Mets might be a match with Lastings Milledge and Aaron Heilman. That's the kind of pairing that might tempt the Jays.

 

The only way I can see a SP being dealt is if you get a young stud SP in return like a Jason Hirsh, John Danks or Mike Pelfrey.

 

If the Blue - Jays made it David Purcey or Ricky Romero and Rios for Garland, then that makes it interesting at least for me.

[RME JICO]

I can't see the Sox having B-Mac and another new starter for 2007, which would mean the Sox moved Buehrle, Garland, or Vazquez.

 

The current rotation seems to be locked in for 2007. If the Sox make any more moves, I assume it will be another reliever or another OF that can play LF and CF.

 

Rios would be a great addition, but it seems like the Jays want to much for him. I would rather go for Taveras and send some mid-level prospects to the Rockies.

[DBAHO]

I can't see the Sox having B-Mac and another new starter for 2007, which would mean the Sox moved Buehrle, Garland, or Vazquez.

 

The current rotation seems to be locked in for 2007. If the Sox make any more moves, I assume it will be another reliever or another OF that can play LF and CF.

 

Rios would be a great addition, but it seems like the Jays want to much for him. I would rather go for Taveras and send some mid-level prospects to the Rockies.

I disagree on that.

 

Right now the Sox are in a position where they don't have to move a starter. But if they get an offer too good to refuse, then I think they'll take it.

 

That type of offer would be a Pelfrey / Milledge for Vazquez or Danks and Hurley for Garland type of deal etc.

 

The Sox would then have an open competition for the 5th starter's position b/w the acquired SP spect who's closest to the majors, Gavin Floyd and Lance Broadway.

 

As for Taveras I don't see how he's an upgrade on Pods. OBP's of .325 and .333 over the past 2 seasons compared to Pods's .351 and .330.

[RME JICO]

I disagree on that.

 

Right now the Sox are in a position where they don't have to move a starter. But if they get an offer too good to refuse, then I think they'll take it.

 

That type of offer would be a Pelfrey / Milledge for Vazquez or Danks and Hurley for Garland type of deal etc.

 

The Sox would then have an open competition for the 5th starter's position b/w the acquired SP spect who's closest to the majors, Gavin Floyd and Lance Broadway.

 

As for Taveras I don't see how he's an upgrade on Pods. OBP's of .325 and .333 over the past 2 seasons compared to Pods's .351 and .330.

 

I just don't think KW is going to weaken the 2007 Starting rotation with another Starter trade. Now if an offer comes up that knocks KW's socks off, then yeah he would probably pull the trigger, but it would have to be a sweet, can't turn it down type of deal.

 

Cheat brought up a good point on SSS. If the Jays are in fact shopping Rios, I would have to think they are shopping Reed Johnson as well. Johnson had a bit of a career year this year, but over the last 3 years, he has hit .301 VS. LHP in over 500 AB's. We get Johnson for a prospect or two, I have no problem with Pods getting in some AB's vs. RH, but Reed getting a bunch of the time in LF.

 

Makes sense to me.

 

A Reed Johnson deal for some mid-level prospects would make sense. That would make LF really interesting, with Pods, Johnson, and Sweeney competing in ST.

[RockRaines]

I don't see any reason why the Jays would deal him for anything less than a young, stud, MLB-Ready starter.

I dont know. I would think maybe a decent spec or a back of the rotation guy. He had a half-way breakout season last year, but isnt quite a Wells type player that you will overpay for.

[infohawk]

At this point I'd be hesitant to give up any pitching unless you got some major-league ready pitching back in return. I must admit that I like the direction KW is laying out for the Sox by bringing in some pitching depth. Going into the offseason, the only real moves I thought were absolutely necessary were getting some young pitching and rebuilding the bullpen. So far, I'm pretty happy with this offseason. The way I see it, the Sox won 90 games in a tough division while both the starting and relief pitching performed below par. I think fixing the bullpen alone takes this team beyond 90 wins. I'm concerned that if KW starts trading any starters for position players, it will ultimately come back to hurt the team. Sure, I'd love to have a Rios, Crawford or Baldelli, but I'd rather have pitching now and going forward. Anderson deserves at least another half a season to see if his second half improvement was real. I happen to like our club right now. I'd like perhaps one more bullpen arm.

[WHITESOXRANDY]

I'd like to have Rios and the Jays obviously need a legit starter for their rotation this year.

 

I'm not sure what other teams would offer but I think the Sox should offer Floyd and Broadway.

[Steve9347]

I personally feel that Rios is the type of player you have to overpay for...

 

 

20 homers, 90 rbi, and 20 stolen bases is not far fetched for him... he's young and very talented, and could develop even more power... to the tune of 30 homers.

 

id deal garland for him and a spect.

[shawnhillegas]

I personally feel that Rios is the type of player you have to overpay for...

20 homers, 90 rbi, and 20 stolen bases is not far fetched for him... he's young and very talented, and could develop even more power... to the tune of 30 homers.

 

id deal garland for him and a spect.

 

 

So what is going to happen when we go into the season with Gavin Floyd as our fifth starter and then Jose goes down with another injury in June?

[NorthSideSox72]

They want MLB ready?

 

I'd deal Haeger, Pods and maybe a spect arm for him (not Broadway, lower tier than that). If they'd take that.

[RockRaines]

They want MLB ready?

 

I'd deal Haeger, Pods and maybe a spect arm for him (not Broadway, lower tier than that). If they'd take that.

When im thinking of MLB ready arms that they may value, you have to look at Sisco, Haeger, Floyd, as something they may want, but all in all, we may not be a good trade partner.