LosMediasBlancas Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 03:24 PM) Reading this thread is really reminding me of some previous threads regarding trades. And on that note, how goes Cooperstown's efforts to get Olivo's bust bronzed for his impending HOF ceremony? I swear -- for many people on this board -- if KW walked on water, you'd complain about him not swimming. We've still got a few months before spring training, let alone the start of the season. A trade or some FA work may still be possible. It's also amazing that McCarthy who has shown flashes of being very good but hasn't been able to put it together is automatically, again in many peoples' responses here, going to overtake Johan Santana in 2007 for the AL Cy Young. Take off the homer blinders and look at this pragmatically please. Just like the Garcia trade to Philly. People thought we didn't get enough for him. Yet everybody here was joking about how bad Garcia was all last year (my favorite being Kalapse's Flamethrower Freddy with the 86 mph speed gun saying "Intimidation had a New Name") I'm personally amazed that we got something more than a sack of scuffed balls for him. Never mind. Forget I said anything. Continue with the complaints that the sky is falling and the end of the world is at hand. Never mind that all the prospect trading over the past seasons might just mean that we may need to restock a little bit. I'm not defending KW, I'm just pleading for a little reason here rather than emotional "OMG!!!11! WE'RE GONNA BE WORSE THAN DA ROYELS THIS YEAR!" knee-jerk responses. "And on that note, how goes Cooperstown's efforts to get Olivo's bust bronzed for his impending HOF ceremony?" QOTM right there, good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RX Bandits Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 03:59 PM) McCarthy has not started for an entire season for the Sox. Assuming that the tolls of the 162 game season as a starter wouldn't possibly hurt him (a DL stint), who's to say that he'd suddenly turn all that untapped potential you see into his supposed ace material? You question that the other starters are going to be able to carry the ball (despite having proven over entire seasons that they can) yet with no sample size from which you can cite, you demand for us to take the leap in over a chasm of logic to believe that just imputting McCarthy into the rotation is automatically going to mean that he'll have it all put together. And this is just as feasible as the situations you thought up -- what if McCarthy puts up an ERA the wrong side of 5 for the entire season? He got traded while he still had an upside and we got a lot for him. Although I really thought the Cardinals would have bitten at the McCarthy for Pujols straight up deal. you said everything i did not want to type. my god face it people, you cant know the winner of this trade until years after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 04:57 PM) However, we have had our fair share of trades that didn't go all that great. The only one that comes to mind is Wells and Fogg for Ritchie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 04:01 PM) I was going off his extreme post that McCarthy would be nothing and that everything is okay with the Sox, when it is not. And McCarthy wasn't going to be the magical band-aid that fixed it all, so let's not pretend that it would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 09:44 PM) Offer Clemens the moon to quite the critics they like theses moves. He is a stop gap until either Floyd, Gonzalez or Danks are ready to take a place a top of the rotation. I actually think that the Sox should tell Clemens he will pitch every Sunday and go with a six man rotation based around this. That's the best idea I've read. Sox should offer one year, $20 million. Kenny Williams says they have plenty of money to make a move, just he didn't want to. It would make this trade look a helluva lot better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 But for those people saying the sox are writing off 2007--step away from the ledge. The sox have gotten two probable top of the rotation SP's [ in Gio and Danks] and two very good arms [in Floyd and MAsset] for BMac and Freddy. And all four guys the sox have gotten should help the sox in 2007. With the sox top competition being heavy on lefty hitters [Mauer, Morneau, Hafner, Sizemore], getting guys like Danks and Gio into the sox rotation in the next yr or two will make that much better able to beat those teams. No, the Sox aren't writing off the 2007 season, but they have made moves which have the net impact of making the 2007 team worse than the 2006 team talent-wise. Clearly these moves are good for the future (if a significant number of these prospects pan out), but they have been done to the very clear detriment of the 2007 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(RX Bandits @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 05:03 PM) you said everything i did not want to type. my god face it people, you cant know the winner of this trade until years after. In a couple of years we will be in a rebuild mode instead of a "win now" mode which we are in right now. Don't you get it? This trade does not help us now when we are actually a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoRowand33 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I don't understand this at all, I thought McCarthy was supposed to be our cornerstone guy for the next couple of years I don't know enough about who we got in return to explode at williams for making this trade, but it seems baffling and potentially harmful to me I can see Sports Illustrated giving us an F for our off-season grade any moment now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 f*** YOU KENNY WILLIAMS! f*** YOU TO HELL! MERRY f***ING CHRISTMAS SOX FANS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 05:03 PM) The Sox are not going to get anywhere with 4 major league pitchers. Thats all we got right now. I see your point tony...but ya still have to have some faith that someone will step up large this year...or KW still has something in mind. Lots of possibilites for the 5th slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I seriously need to punch something right now, hard. I am overwhelmed with anger. OH MY f***ING GOD I AM GOING TO KILL SOMETHING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 05:03 PM) And McCarthy wasn't going to be the magical band-aid that fixed it all, so let's not pretend that it would be. I never said he was, but he would of been our best option to win now when we have the team built to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Barring a huge White Sox move, I'd love it if Haeger wound up our fifth starter. That boy's going to be Tim Wakefield someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Worst trade in the history of life. I don't even care that I know nothing about these guys we picked up. McCarthy was so f***ing untouchable during the year and now we trade him for a bunch of f***ing prospects?! WHAT THE f*** WERE YOU SMOKING!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Could this be the beginning link to an even bigger deal?!? I thought for sure we could get a guy like Crawford for McCarthy, but maybe he is stacking with young pitchers to help ignite trade ammunition for a team on the rebuild. I know Ozzie and KW love Dontrelle Willis. Eh who knows at this point... KW obviously has a plan to get younger and cheaper. But he also has to take into account that guys like Dye, Konerko and Thome are getting older and the time is now for them to get back to the WS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I hope McCarthy goes 25-2, with a 2.10 ERA, and 250 strikeouts and we lose to the Rangers everytime we play them and he kicks our f***ing ass. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) Williams is trying to avoid that with the trades he is making now..... Great, we'll have pitching but can't score runs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Okay, I've cooled down. Sorry for my explosion, but I am livid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 And McCarthy wasn't going to be the magical band-aid that fixed it all, so let's not pretend that it would be. I think he would likely have been as good as Garcia was in 2006. I don't think any of the pool of pitchers who are now going to compete for the 5th starter spot can come close to that in 2007. Kenny Williams: working hard to give you another championship in 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 How come Wainwright could have success out of the pen and McCarthy could not? Lance Broadway is now easy to get rid of as well as MCullough. Two guys that were really high on the prospect list. Weaver is an option as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 This trade just proves that Ozzie Guillen is the true GM of the White Sox and he is probably the only guy in baseball who doesn't think he's any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 05:09 PM) Okay, I've cooled down. Sorry for my explosion, but I am livid. It's ok, we are all friends here, but the knife down.....slowly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 04:04 PM) No, the Sox aren't writing off the 2007 season, but they have made moves which have the net impact of making the 2007 team worse than the 2006 team talent-wise. Clearly these moves are good for the future (if a significant number of these prospects pan out), but they have been done to the very clear detriment of the 2007 team. But if we don't go after some farm prospects from time to time (especially with KW's hard on for trading prospects in almost every deal the past few seasons), wouldn't it mean that eventually we'd have to really restock with some trade bait studs or we'd be scrambling for farm talent to trade? Eventually you have to restock a little bit too. If more prospects were not had and KW kept up his habit of trading them for proven talent, then it would eventually lead to a bigger detriment to a current year's team when he would be forced to trade on-the-field talent for other talent due to a lack of farm league talent being available. I don't think it wrote off 2007 yet. It's still December, folks. There's time for things to still be done so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet. (Not talking to you, SH1980 there with the last comment -- just other people and didn't feel like turning it into another post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 So since we are going to be trotting out a jv rotation next year, why don't we just move the team to Montreal to make the White Sox a complete bush league team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 04:11 PM) How come Wainwright could have success out of the pen and McCarthy could not? Some players need their routine to succeed. McCarthy was one of those players, and he admitted as much prior to the 2006 campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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