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QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 03:24 PM)
Reading this thread is really reminding me of some previous threads regarding trades.

 

And on that note, how goes Cooperstown's efforts to get Olivo's bust bronzed for his impending HOF ceremony?

 

I swear -- for many people on this board -- if KW walked on water, you'd complain about him not swimming.

 

We've still got a few months before spring training, let alone the start of the season. A trade or some FA work may still be possible. It's also amazing that McCarthy who has shown flashes of being very good but hasn't been able to put it together is automatically, again in many peoples' responses here, going to overtake Johan Santana in 2007 for the AL Cy Young. Take off the homer blinders and look at this pragmatically please.

 

Just like the Garcia trade to Philly. People thought we didn't get enough for him. Yet everybody here was joking about how bad Garcia was all last year (my favorite being Kalapse's Flamethrower Freddy with the 86 mph speed gun saying "Intimidation had a New Name") I'm personally amazed that we got something more than a sack of scuffed balls for him.

 

Never mind. Forget I said anything. Continue with the complaints that the sky is falling and the end of the world is at hand. Never mind that all the prospect trading over the past seasons might just mean that we may need to restock a little bit.

 

I'm not defending KW, I'm just pleading for a little reason here rather than emotional "OMG!!!11! WE'RE GONNA BE WORSE THAN DA ROYELS THIS YEAR!" knee-jerk responses.

 

 

"And on that note, how goes Cooperstown's efforts to get Olivo's bust bronzed for his impending HOF ceremony?"

 

QOTM right there, good stuff.

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QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 03:59 PM)
McCarthy has not started for an entire season for the Sox. Assuming that the tolls of the 162 game season as a starter wouldn't possibly hurt him (a DL stint), who's to say that he'd suddenly turn all that untapped potential you see into his supposed ace material?

 

You question that the other starters are going to be able to carry the ball (despite having proven over entire seasons that they can) yet with no sample size from which you can cite, you demand for us to take the leap in over a chasm of logic to believe that just imputting McCarthy into the rotation is automatically going to mean that he'll have it all put together.

 

And this is just as feasible as the situations you thought up -- what if McCarthy puts up an ERA the wrong side of 5 for the entire season? He got traded while he still had an upside and we got a lot for him. Although I really thought the Cardinals would have bitten at the McCarthy for Pujols straight up deal.

you said everything i did not want to type. my god face it people, you cant know the winner of this trade until years after.

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QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 09:44 PM)
Offer Clemens the moon to quite the critics they like theses moves. He is a stop gap until either Floyd, Gonzalez or Danks are ready to take a place a top of the rotation.

 

I actually think that the Sox should tell Clemens he will pitch every Sunday and go with a six man rotation based around this.

 

That's the best idea I've read. Sox should offer one year, $20 million. Kenny Williams says they have plenty of money to make a move, just he didn't want to. It would make this trade look a helluva lot better...

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But for those people saying the sox are writing off 2007--step away from the ledge. The sox have gotten two probable top of the rotation SP's [ in Gio and Danks] and two very good arms [in Floyd and MAsset] for BMac and Freddy. And all four guys the sox have gotten should help the sox in 2007.

 

With the sox top competition being heavy on lefty hitters [Mauer, Morneau, Hafner, Sizemore], getting guys like Danks and Gio into the sox rotation in the next yr or two will make that much better able to beat those teams.

No, the Sox aren't writing off the 2007 season, but they have made moves which have the net impact of making the 2007 team worse than the 2006 team talent-wise. Clearly these moves are good for the future (if a significant number of these prospects pan out), but they have been done to the very clear detriment of the 2007 team.

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QUOTE(RX Bandits @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 05:03 PM)
you said everything i did not want to type. my god face it people, you cant know the winner of this trade until years after.

 

In a couple of years we will be in a rebuild mode instead of a "win now" mode which we are in right now. Don't you get it? This trade does not help us now when we are actually a contender.

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I don't understand this at all, I thought McCarthy was supposed to be our cornerstone guy for the next couple of years

 

I don't know enough about who we got in return to explode at williams for making this trade, but it seems baffling and potentially harmful to me

 

I can see Sports Illustrated giving us an F for our off-season grade any moment now

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QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 05:03 PM)
The Sox are not going to get anywhere with 4 major league pitchers. Thats all we got right now.

 

I see your point tony...but ya still have to have some faith that someone will step up large this year...or KW still has something in mind. Lots of possibilites for the 5th slot.

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Could this be the beginning link to an even bigger deal?!? I thought for sure we could get a guy like Crawford for McCarthy, but maybe he is stacking with young pitchers to help ignite trade ammunition for a team on the rebuild. I know Ozzie and KW love Dontrelle Willis. Eh who knows at this point... KW obviously has a plan to get younger and cheaper. But he also has to take into account that guys like Dye, Konerko and Thome are getting older and the time is now for them to get back to the WS.

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And McCarthy wasn't going to be the magical band-aid that fixed it all, so let's not pretend that it would be.

I think he would likely have been as good as Garcia was in 2006. I don't think any of the pool of pitchers who are now going to compete for the 5th starter spot can come close to that in 2007.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kenny Williams: working hard to give you another championship in 2010

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QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 04:04 PM)
No, the Sox aren't writing off the 2007 season, but they have made moves which have the net impact of making the 2007 team worse than the 2006 team talent-wise. Clearly these moves are good for the future (if a significant number of these prospects pan out), but they have been done to the very clear detriment of the 2007 team.

But if we don't go after some farm prospects from time to time (especially with KW's hard on for trading prospects in almost every deal the past few seasons), wouldn't it mean that eventually we'd have to really restock with some trade bait studs or we'd be scrambling for farm talent to trade?

 

Eventually you have to restock a little bit too. If more prospects were not had and KW kept up his habit of trading them for proven talent, then it would eventually lead to a bigger detriment to a current year's team when he would be forced to trade on-the-field talent for other talent due to a lack of farm league talent being available.

 

I don't think it wrote off 2007 yet. It's still December, folks. There's time for things to still be done so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet. (Not talking to you, SH1980 there with the last comment -- just other people and didn't feel like turning it into another post)

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