greasywheels121 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I wonder if this is the last class we'll see where the HOF inductees played their entire careers for one team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 QUOTE(The Critic @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 05:26 PM) I know I will. Mike Piazza played 70 of his 1829 career games at first base over 14 seasons. (68 of those games came in one season) That's not a first baseman, that is a catcher who played a little first base. He's also possibly the worst defensive catcher in the history of baseball, he kept himself at catcher over the course of his career when he was so much better suited for firstbase. I don't consider him a catcher either, you could have stuck Alex Rodriguez at catcher when he was 23 and he could have played equal or better defense than Piazza did but with twice the production. So when looking at Piazza's numbers you can not look at them in terms of the defensive position he played do to the fact that he really didn't play one. When looking at his numbers as a power hitter they're still very good but nothing outstanding. He'll get in because he holds basically every offensive career mark for a catcher that there is despite the fact that he was playing the position under the most ultimately loose terms imaginable. QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 05:31 PM) I wonder if this is the last class we'll see where the HOF inductees played their entire careers for one team. I think Jeter will retire a Yankee but outside of him I can't really think of any other likely candidates. Actually Pujols and Helton *gag* are also possibilities. And Bagwell is basically a lock as is Biggio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 05:39 PM) I think Jeter will retire a Yankee but outside of him I can't really think of any other likely candidates. Haha, me and greasy were just saying the exact same thing. I'm struggling to think of another player who might retire having played for 1 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 05:42 PM) Haha, me and greasy were just saying the exact same thing. I'm struggling to think of another player who might retire having played for 1 team. Astros right side of infield for the 90's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 05:43 PM) Astros right side of infield for the 90's. Yup but they are basically done. It's like the end of an era after Ripken, Larkin, Biggio, Bagwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 05:44 PM) Yup but they are basically done. It's like the end of an era after Ripken, Larkin, Biggio, Bagwell. I think I'm going to fight for Larkin in '10. He's far from a lock and could very well be passed over for a few years but the guy deserves to get in. The top offensive SS for the 90's while playing outstanding defense and carrying himself well in the media, sounds like a HoFer to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 05:39 PM) He's also possibly the worst defensive catcher in the history of baseball, he kept himself at catcher over the course of his career when he was so much better suited for firstbase. I don't consider him a catcher either, you could have stuck Alex Rodriguez at catcher when he was 23 and he could have played equal or better defense than Piazza did but with twice the production. So when looking at Piazza's numbers you can not look at them in terms of the defensive position he played do to the fact that he really didn't play one. When looking at his numbers as a power hitter they're still very good but nothing outstanding. He'll get in because he holds basically every offensive career mark for a catcher that there is despite the fact that he was playing the position under the most ultimately loose terms imaginable. I think Jeter will retire a Yankee but outside of him I can't really think of any other likely candidates. Actually Pujols and Helton *gag* are also possibilities. And Bagwell is basically a lock as is Biggio It's true that he was a hideous defensive catcher, but he still must be considered as a catcher because that's where he played for the majority of his career. You can state that he shouldn't get in because he blew as a catcher, but you simply can't consider him a first baseman when he played 0.038% of his big-league games there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I'm pretty steamed that Bert Blyleven didn't make it. But I'm real glad that Ripken and Gwynn did, though there was never any doubt. Ripken was one of my favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 If Garret Anderson can find a way to get healthy for a few seasons, he has a shot at being an Angel his entire career (since no one would take his contract) and if he did get healthy he'd have a shot at 3000 hits which would obviously get him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 02:44 PM) Plus even if he did juice, they were not banned from the game of baseball (yes they were an illegal substance in the US, but they were not banned from baseball) so I can not possibly hold him out because of that. Steroids were banned from baseball in 1991. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/sto...sExc&num=19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I heard Ripkin on the radio this morning. He said he was still nervous about getting in and when he got the call he acted like a little kid. Hes a cool dude. I;m glad it was him that beat the consecutive games record. No one was more deserving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Goose should have made it. He was better than Sutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 10, 2007 -> 12:20 PM) Goose should have made it. He was better than Sutter. He was definitely more intimidating. They were both great, and they both deserve to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 QUOTE(The Critic @ Jan 10, 2007 -> 12:53 PM) He was definitely more intimidating. They were both great, and they both deserve to be there. As does Lee Smith, in the Eddie Murray consistancy genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 10, 2007 -> 10:54 AM) As does Lee Smith, in the Eddie Murray consistancy genre. Is Smith eligible already? I imagine he should be, but maybe I'm wrong, because the guy definitely deserves to be in the HOF (2nd most saves in baseball history). He was the steadiest closer of his time and aside from Rivera and Hoffman I can't name two other closers that were steadier ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 10, 2007 -> 05:13 PM) Is Smith eligible already? I imagine he should be, but maybe I'm wrong, because the guy definitely deserves to be in the HOF (2nd most saves in baseball history). He was the steadiest closer of his time and aside from Rivera and Hoffman I can't name two other closers that were steadier ever. He has been for years... This time he was just under 40% of the voters ballots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 (edited) Gossage might get in next year because the "first-time eligible" class is not worthy: Brady Anderson, Andy Benes, Delino DeShields, Shawon Dunston, Chuck Finley, Travis Fryman, David Justice, Darryl Kile, Chuck Knoblauch, Mike Morgan, Robb Nen, Tim Raines, Greg Swindell, Randy Velarde, Mark Wohlers If he doesn't get in it might the first time, since 1996, that NO ONE is inducted. Edited January 11, 2007 by RibbieRubarb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jan 11, 2007 -> 02:03 PM) Gossage might get in next year because the "first-time eligible" class is not worthy: Brady Anderson, Andy Benes, Delino DeShields, Shawon Dunston, Chuck Finley, Travis Fryman, David Justice, Darryl Kile, Chuck Knoblauch, Mike Morgan, Robb Nen, Tim Raines, Greg Swindell, Randy Velarde, Mark Wohlers If he doesn't get in it might the first time, since 1996, that NO ONE is inducted. I'd argue Raines deserves in for sure... other than that, there isn't a HOFer in the bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2007 -> 02:35 PM) I'd argue Raines deserves in for sure... other than that, there isn't a HOFer in the bunch. Oh come on... Shawon Dunston? That dude has Hall of Fame written all over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I think Tim Raines deserves in the HOF, possibly Shawn Dunston. Gossage should get in, he's getting close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 QUOTE(whitesox1976 @ Jan 11, 2007 -> 11:15 PM) I think Tim Raines deserves in the HOF, possibly Shawn Dunston. Gossage should get in, he's getting close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jan 11, 2007 -> 02:03 PM) Delino DeShields hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Blylevin too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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