Why Crede took the $.

[rowand's rowdies]

First off there is something about the MLB barganing agreement that very few (if any) fans know about. The MLB is NOT a split the baby arbitraiton system. It is an all for one or one for all system. Example:

 

Joe Crede claims he should be payed $7 million this upcoming season.

The White Sox claim he should be payed $4 million this upcoming season.

The 3 arbitraitors rule using many factors including a mathmatical GDP equation and production rating system. They MUST CHOOSE either the $7 million figure or the $4 million figure. They can't determine that $5 million is fair.

 

My thought on why Crede chose to take the $5 million figure is most likely because of the performance clauses and possibly a bonus escalator clause. Those would not be included in a arbitration deal. Also, in arbitration, you have 3 SANE people who use common sense and look at all angles to get the true value of the player to the team within the market. Most players are overpaid compared to their actual performance, so just taking the money is sometimes safer. His injury history and spot as the 4th or 5th best hitter on the team also would hurt his arbitration figure.

 

FYI - The NHL does the "split the baby" arbitration. If Havlat wanted $10 million a year and the Hawks were offering $5 the arbitrators could give anything in between.

 

[elrockinMT]

First off there is something about the MLB barganing agreement that very few (if any) fans know about. The MLB is NOT a split the baby arbitraiton system. It is an all for one or one for all system. Example:

 

Joe Crede claims he should be payed $7 million this upcoming season.

The White Sox claim he should be payed $4 million this upcoming season.

The 3 arbitraitors rule using many factors including a mathmatical GDP equation and production rating system. They MUST CHOOSE either the $7 million figure or the $4 million figure. They can't determine that $5 million is fair.

 

My thought on why Crede chose to take the $5 million figure is most likely because of the performance clauses and possibly a bonus escalator clause. Those would not be included in a arbitration deal. Also, in arbitration, you have 3 SANE people who use common sense and look at all angles to get the true value of the player to the team within the market. Most players are overpaid compared to their actual performance, so just taking the money is sometimes safer. His injury history and spot as the 4th or 5th best hitter on the team also would hurt his arbitration figure.

 

FYI - The NHL does the "split the baby" arbitration. If Havlat wanted $10 million a year and the Hawks were offering $5 the arbitrators could give anything in between.

 

 

But, this is just your take on what you think may have been the thinking of Crede? Right? Not to say you don't make a good assumption, but is there any inside info to back up your rationale? In reality a lot of things could have been the main influencing factor.

Edited January 17, 2007 by elrockinMT

[rowand's rowdies]

Ya just my thoughts on why Joe did, but the arbitration information is true, check it out in the CBA.

[Shamrock4Life]

then why not put in a lower number that you think the arbitrators will agree to??

 

say the sox put in 4 mil. why would crede put in anything more that 6, considering you don't exactly know what the sox are offering. i mean you have to have a pretty damn good idea of what your players true market value is to put the number in to the arbitrators. i mean to be a good buisnessman you have to seperate yourself from your emotions to your client/asset.

[elrockinMT]

I think you could ask for the stars, which is what some are paying for FA's this year, but the arbitrator can rule on any salary from the low to top range that is being proposed. Crede didn't just take anything offered. I think there is a mesasge here both from Joe and the Sox. Let's get something done for a multi-year deal.

[GIOin08]

First off there is something about the MLB barganing agreement that very few (if any) fans know about. The MLB is NOT a split the baby arbitraiton system. It is an all for one or one for all system. Example:

 

Joe Crede claims he should be payed $7 million this upcoming season.

The White Sox claim he should be payed $4 million this upcoming season.

The 3 arbitraitors rule using many factors including a mathmatical GDP equation and production rating system. They MUST CHOOSE either the $7 million figure or the $4 million figure. They can't determine that $5 million is fair.

 

My thought on why Crede chose to take the $5 million figure is most likely because of the performance clauses and possibly a bonus escalator clause. Those would not be included in a arbitration deal. Also, in arbitration, you have 3 SANE people who use common sense and look at all angles to get the true value of the player to the team within the market. Most players are overpaid compared to their actual performance, so just taking the money is sometimes safer. His injury history and spot as the 4th or 5th best hitter on the team also would hurt his arbitration figure.

 

FYI - The NHL does the "split the baby" arbitration. If Havlat wanted $10 million a year and the Hawks were offering $5 the arbitrators could give anything in between.

 

I need to file for arbitration

[GreatScott82]

The Sox have contractual control of Crede until after the 2008 season. That being said i think this will be Crede's last season for the Sox. I think they will continue to groom Fields at 3b in triple-a for another year, im just not buying that LF experiment thing. That being said i think 2007 will be the last legitmate oppurtunity at getting to the playoffs with this core of players (Crede, Dye, Iguchi, Uribe, Pods etc...)

With all the young arms KW aqcuired this offseason he is obviously looking more toward future than any other year he has been the GM. I'm fine with that as i believe we have a very talented farm system now. Watching what Minnesota has done with their young players and keeping a talented young pitching staff and bullpen proves it is very much possible to compete within your own system. They have lost many players over the years due to free agency but they continue to just plug there own and keep on winning.

Am i worried about that 5th starter spot? Yea alittle bit, but if a Floyd doesn't work out, than you have Danks to plug in there, and if they still aren't ready, than by the allstar break im possitive KW can find a rent-a-pitcher if we are still in the hunt.

I expect Garland to keep getting better, I expect Buerhle to have an awesome contract year, I expect Contreras to get healthy and dominate like he did for about 12 months straight from 2005 and into 2006, and i also expect Vazquez to finally have his breakout season. As long as we have these 4 guys winning and a 5th starter who can possibly win 12-14 games i think we will get into the playoffs.

I am sure as hell going to appreciate the 2007 white sox because in 2008 i expect a lot of the youth on the starting roster:

2008 starting lineup (not in batting order):

Owens LF, Anderson CF, Sweeney RF, Fields 3B, Uribe SS, 2B?, Konerko 1B, Pierzynski C, Thome DH