bmags Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 03:55 AM) I think our bench could use a right handed bat with Power to give Thome days off against Tough Lefties this is my thought. Maybe he is to play a greater role at first base then what we are thinking of at CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(bmags @ Jan 22, 2007 -> 11:33 PM) this is my thought. Maybe he is to play a greater role at first base then what we are thinking of at CF You see if Erstad is to be that power hitting righty off the bench that spells Thome against 'dem tough lefties there's really only 2 problems Erstad is a lefty and has no power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 no my thought is that thome is getting older so ozzie may be going into this season only wanting to play him like 140 games, and meanwhile we don't really have a capable backup at 1st with gload gone, (green) and timo perez(green), maybe move kong to DH for a few and erstad at 1st. I think it'd be nice to have a pretty decent backup at 1b in case kong ever has an injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(bmags @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 02:05 AM) no my thought is that thome is getting older so ozzie may be going into this season only wanting to play him like 140 games, and meanwhile we don't really have a capable backup at 1st with gload gone, (green) and timo perez(green), maybe move kong to DH for a few and erstad at 1st. I think it'd be nice to have a pretty decent backup at 1b in case kong ever has an injury. Ehh, a bat would better as a backup 1Bman rather than an injury prone defensive minded 1Bman. And besides that, Carlos Pena - who is still available - is not only great defensively, but has a good propensity to get on base and hit for power. That would be a great signing if you are to get a defensive minded backup 1Bman. I'd like Eduardo Perez too, but sometimes it's too much to ask for crums of cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 02:12 AM) Ehh, a bat would better as a backup 1Bman rather than an injury prone defensive minded 1Bman. And besides that, Carlos Pena - who is still available - is not only great defensively, but has a good propensity to get on base and hit for power. That would be a great signing if you are to get a defensive minded backup 1Bman. I'd like Eduardo Perez too, but sometimes it's too much to ask for crums of cake. Oh oh oh Eduardo Perez please. If the Sox are going to go after a Gload replacement which at this point in his career Erstad would have to be Eduardo Perez is such a perfect fit 153 ABs last year vs lefties he hit 9 HR with a .273/.331/.503/.834 line in '05 he had 135 ABs with 10 HRs and a .259/.371/.526/.897 line vs the southpaws. So the Sox would get similar production out of that slot in the order vs lefties as they did last year but Big Jim would be able to rest on those days. Right now Pena is only looking at minor league offers from the O's and Giants if the Sox really wanted to they could easily slide in there in sign him to a nothing contract. He may not be a very consistent major league player but there's 2 things he does know how to do, play a great 1B and hit for power. Of course I think it would be pretty stupid to be looking at backup 1B at this point seeing as how the team still doesn't have a 4th OF but if the KW and Oz really want a guy who can play 1B off the bench both Pena and Perez are better fits since Erstad certainly isn't the answer to the 4th OF hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwalteroo Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 In my opinion, Erstad should only be considered a 4th OFer at this point. It really would tick me off if we are going to keep Brian and continue the BA Experiment WITH ongoing platooning. BA hit .313 and .296 in July and August of last year, so he's shown flashes of major league ability. And we all know what he can do defensively. Yeah, he stunk it up at the plate at the beginning of the year, but since we are keeping him, then let's develop him. I'd hate to go back to the Mac/BA platoon scenario, just with Erstad instead this time. That doesn't help us long term. I say give BA til the All-Star break to show that he's got the stuff. If he doesn't produce, we explore other options. Boom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Hmm whats interesting is that yesterday someone very close to me had a business meeting with the white sox. It was mentioned that during their meeting they got to talking about the team, of course. The sox executive told the person close to me that "kenny is still looking for 1 more acquistion". When I was told about this I interpreted it as a signing, but I guess it could be a trade. And low and behold today there is a story that breaks about how the Sox (KW) are after Darin Erstad. If you put two and two together......ding ding ding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 if he's inexpensive, healthy and willing to split time at LF, CF and 1b, it's an OK move. At his age, you gotta figure the guy wants to play on a team that wants to win. He won't gripe about playing time Better to have him around playing part time than Sweeney. Rather see Sweeney finally repeat one level of the minors, improve his confidence and refine this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsox Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 03:54 PM) if he's inexpensive, healthy and willing to split time at LF, CF and 1b, it's an OK move. At his age, you gotta figure the guy wants to play on a team that wants to win. He won't gripe about playing time Better to have him around playing part time than Sweeney. Rather see Sweeney finally repeat one level of the minors, improve his confidence and refine this game. Couldn't agree more. He's a better option in CF than Mack is and you hafta have a decent glove for first if Paulie gets hurt or needs a day off. And you figure Sweeney's going to be the starting LF or RF in '08 for either Pods or Dye so get him some playing time than rotting away on the bench in '07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(Allsox @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 10:18 AM) Couldn't agree more. He's a better option in CF than Mack is and you hafta have a decent glove for first if Paulie gets hurt or needs a day off. And you figure Sweeney's going to be the starting LF or RF in '08 for either Pods or Dye so get him some playing time than rotting away on the bench in '07. Problem being our lineup already has enough trouble against left handed pitching and erstad falls right into that line. Pods, Iguchi, Thome, AJ, and even Crede all have considerable worse stats against lefties. Now throw Erstad in there and you just add to the problem, he has trouble hitting against lefties as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Honestly. I think this is a smoke screen. I personally think that the Baldelli talks are back on. The D-rays are asking for two young arms, and we have that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(joeynach @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 07:53 AM) Hmm whats interesting is that yesterday someone very close to me had a business meeting with the white sox. It was mentioned that during their meeting they got to talking about the team, of course. The sox executive told the person close to me that "kenny is still looking for 1 more acquistion". When I was told about this I interpreted it as a signing, but I guess it could be a trade. And low and behold today there is a story that breaks about how the Sox (KW) are after Darin Erstad. If you put two and two together......ding ding ding! The Sox have been looking and monitoring Darin Erstad this entire off-season. He wants to get playing time and he's obviously partial to the Angels but unless the Marlins blow away Erstad on an offer, I'd expect Erstad to be wearing a White Sox or Angel uniform. If money is the same, the only way I see Erstad taking the Sox job is if the Angels are offering him pretty much no playing time (and I kind of think that may be the case). I think its 50/50 to 70/30 that Erstad joins the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 10:48 AM) The Sox have been looking and monitoring Darin Erstad this entire off-season. He wants to get playing time and he's obviously partial to the Angels but unless the Marlins blow away Erstad on an offer, I'd expect Erstad to be wearing a White Sox or Angel uniform. If money is the same, the only way I see Erstad taking the Sox job is if the Angels are offering him pretty much no playing time (and I kind of think that may be the case). I think its 50/50 to 70/30 that Erstad joins the Sox. How does he help our ballclub last year we said we had too many LH options and need RH options off the bench to play OF or other various backup positions. Erstad is LH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(joeynach @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 08:52 AM) How does he help our ballclub last year we said we had too many LH options and need RH options off the bench to play OF or other various backup positions. Erstad is LH. Quite simple, talk to any Angel fan about Erstad and they'll tell you about the intricacies and the little things he does to help a ball club. Now I don't know if Erstad is healthy but if he's feeling good (and I'll let our doctors decide on that) he's worth being on a major league roster. He can play all 3 outfield positions (albeit he is not even close to being the defensive Cf'er he once was) while also playing gold glove defense at first base. He's a very smart and headsy base runner and a very good situational hitter (being able to move guys over, drop down a bunt, etc). He's exactly the type of fundementally sound ball player that would be real nice to have on our bench (and a great guy to have Anderson and other youngsters talking to because Erstad is 100% class). Was he ever as good as a lot of people said he was, NO, but he's not near as terrible as all the statheads make him out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 I like BA, but here are Erstadt's career numbers against righties: .293 average, .349 OB %, .422 Slugging. Gotta think he could help a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Well we were all wondering who would replace Gload as the backup 1B..i think Erstad would fit the bill nicely. He can also be the back up CF because we all know Mackowiack can't play out there. This deal makes alot of sense for the Sox. A bench that consists of Erstad, Hall, Mackowiack, Cintron and Ozuna looks really good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Pretty simple for me... If he's healthy enough to play a good CF and fill in wherever else we need him, then why not? If he's not, then I'd take a pass. If we do indeed sign him, I'll assume that its because the Sox did their homework and think he's healthy enough to be a good backup. If thats the case, I say bring him aboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Some interesting Erstad facts: Won the 2000 and 2002 gold glove award in CF. Then in 2004 he moved to 1B to be the full time 1B there and he won the gold glove award there as well. He is the first player in MLB history to win a gold glove award for the Outfield and the Infield. So even if his offense numbers have been on the decline, im guessing he can still play a solid defense at both 1B AND in CF. This would give Ozzie some flexibility when they go to the NL for those interleague games, pinch hitting Thome/Konerko/Mackowiack than replacing them defensivley with Erstad. If he's healthy and i were KW i would pull the trigger on this deal. Its a minor risk worth taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(Allsox @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 10:18 AM) Couldn't agree more. He's a better option in CF than Mack is and you hafta have a decent glove for first if Paulie gets hurt or needs a day off. And you figure Sweeney's going to be the starting LF or RF in '08 for either Pods or Dye so get him some playing time than rotting away on the bench in '07. Why? Konerko has sat an average of 7 games over the past 3 seasons, having someone on the roster who will be used to fill that spot for 7 games out of a 162 game schedule is about as insignificant as it gets. For 4-10 games next year Mackowiak could fit in just fine at 1B during any days off that Konerko may need. If Erstad is capable of playing a passable CF for next season (which I really don't think he can) then I suppose he's not the absolute worst option, close but not quite it'll be like having Timo back again. Of course when he does go down with an injury or shows ineptitude in the OF it's going to really suck going another season without a legit 4th OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Since 1978, only two WS guys have won a gold glove, who are they? NO GOOGLE, JUST GUESS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 10:57 AM) Since 1978, only two WS guys have won a gold glove, who are they? NO GOOGLE, JUST GUESS. Well Erstad is one of them as he was a gold glove first baseman for that Angels team (or at least I think he was). I'd imagine the other would be Greg Maddux. If I were to make a 3rd pick I'd say Jeter, but I don't think he ever won a gold glove when he won the world series (because at that point I'm pretty sure Arod was winning all the GG's for SS's). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Not counting Erstad, if he's signed. WS = White Sox btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 I misread the question. I thought you meant only two world series champs had players that won a gold glove. Well in that case, I think Guillen won one and I'd say Carlton Fisk probably won one too. Third choice would be Ventura because he was amazing but I don't know if he ever won the award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Guillen won one in 1990, Fisk never won as a WS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Robin Ventura and Ozzie Guillen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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