Buehrle knows this is it

[CWSGuy406]

I think it's close, but he's going to want atleast 5 with an option for the 6th, perhaps either a player option or a vesting team option with like 1000 innings or something very achievable.

 

Say 5/$75 with an $18 mill option for the last year.

 

That would mean that Garland would (most likely) be gone after 2008. If we were forced to keep just one of the two, I'd keep Garland. Why? I think he'd get less money on the open market, and while he might not ever dominate the way Buehrle did, I think he's as good a bet as anyone to stay healthy and average-ish over the life of a five year contract.

[Rowand44]

Chuck Garfind from CSN just interviewed Buerhle from Soxfest and they talked and Buerhle said right now he wants to come back to the Sox, and he thinks theres a 100% chance he'll be back. However he said a deal would have to be done before the season or after the season if a deal were to get done. Says his heart and soul is for the White Sox and doesn't want to go anywhere else.

Buerhle pretty much is saying all the right things as usual... hopefully KW can get something done soon. Buerhle means a lot to this organization and fan base.

[103 mph screwball]

5 years 65 million with a 16 million 6th year option or 3 million buyout. Mark gets a full no trade in the 1st 3 years. Partial no trade in the final 2 years (he can have a list of teams he will not play for). He can slide on the tarp during any and all rain delays. He can wear a cardinal hat only in Missouri and only on days that the Sox are not playing.

 

Mark gets generational wealth and 5 years with the team where his heart and soul is. KW gets a hometown discount, good PR, and some wiggle room needs to trade him for some future reason. Fans happy.

 

Get it done. PM me if you need my help to mediate the agreement

 

he thinks theres a 100% chance he'll be back

Maybe the thread title should be changed to Buehrle hopes this is NOT it.

Edited January 29, 2007 by 103 mph screwball

[witesoxfan]

That would mean that Garland would (most likely) be gone after 2008. If we were forced to keep just one of the two, I'd keep Garland. Why? I think he'd get less money on the open market, and while he might not ever dominate the way Buehrle did, I think he's as good a bet as anyone to stay healthy and average-ish over the life of a five year contract.

 

I'd agree with the reasoning behind it, and I'm not going to argue for my reasoning, because I think it's pretty clear for the reasoning behind keeping either of them long-term.

 

You'd have to figure Garland is going to be more consistent over the life of the contract he receives than Buehrle will be, but I'll take the upside and sidedness of where Buehrle throws from over the consistency and (better) durability of Garland. It's all a matter of opinion, really.

 

(I still wouldn't rule out resigning both, but I'll put the odds at not-good)

[spiderman]

I'd agree with the reasoning behind it, and I'm not going to argue for my reasoning, because I think it's pretty clear for the reasoning behind keeping either of them long-term.

 

You'd have to figure Garland is going to be more consistent over the life of the contract he receives than Buehrle will be, but I'll take the upside and sidedness of where Buehrle throws from over the consistency and (better) durability of Garland. It's all a matter of opinion, really.

 

(I still wouldn't rule out resigning both, but I'll put the odds at not-good)

 

I'd say there's about a 15% chance of either Buerhle or Garland being back after their contracts expire.

 

The way this increases is if Kenny's 5th starter spot, with all the prospects, becomes a revolving door, and nobody steps up.

 

If that happens, then we would enter next offseason with no #5, and one of our top pitchers leaving - and maybe some pressure on Williams to keep the top part of his rotation intact.

[Chisoxfn]

That would mean that Garland would (most likely) be gone after 2008. If we were forced to keep just one of the two, I'd keep Garland. Why? I think he'd get less money on the open market, and while he might not ever dominate the way Buehrle did, I think he's as good a bet as anyone to stay healthy and average-ish over the life of a five year contract.

If there were two guys I'd give long term deals on the Sox it would be those two. I'd even consider Javy if he wasn't asking for a ton simply because all three seem to have proven to me that they can stay healthy and at times be above average major league starters.

 

That said you are obviously running a risk that they don't perform up to the level of there pay grade. I still wouldn't be shocked at a 5yr 60-70 mill deal between the Sox and Buehrle (I think while the market for pitchers is strong, you also have to factor in what Carpenter when his contract was extended and in Buehrle's case he's basically guaranteeing the rest of his life a year in advance and that wouldn't be a bad thing considering he was one of, if not the worse pitchers in all of baseball over the 2nd half of last season.

 

I'd agree with the reasoning behind it, and I'm not going to argue for my reasoning, because I think it's pretty clear for the reasoning behind keeping either of them long-term.

 

You'd have to figure Garland is going to be more consistent over the life of the contract he receives than Buehrle will be, but I'll take the upside and sidedness of where Buehrle throws from over the consistency and (better) durability of Garland. It's all a matter of opinion, really.

 

(I still wouldn't rule out resigning both, but I'll put the odds at not-good)

Technically aside from half a season, Buehrle has been one of the most consistent and durable starters in franchise history. Garland has been consistent but his consistency has almost always been worse than Buehrle (by at least half a run a game to .75 runs per game). Both will throw a lot of innings though and I consider both durable pitchers and I'd like both in my teams rotations (because I think when they are at there best they will win you a game and when they are decent they have a shot to win you the game and at the very least keep you in it while going 6-7 innings).

[Jimbo's Drinker]

First Mark needs to get into shape and stop eating every piece of meat he kills in missouri.

[southsideirish71]

First Mark needs to get into shape and stop eating every piece of meat he kills in missouri.

 

He is in good shape. The only thing he needs to do is pound righties inside with his cutter, and keep the ball down. He has been a proven pitcher for years.

[GreatScott82]

I'd say there's about a 15% chance of either Buerhle or Garland being back after their contracts expire.

 

The way this increases is if Kenny's 5th starter spot, with all the prospects, becomes a revolving door, and nobody steps up.

 

If that happens, then we would enter next offseason with no #5, and one of our top pitchers leaving - and maybe some pressure on Williams to keep the top part of his rotation intact.

I'd say if they can re-sign Mark I think they'll be able to re-sign Jon G also. And after 2008 just let Javy and Jose walk via free agency and let the kids have a crack at the other 3 spots (Danks, Gio, Broadway, Floyd, Haegar, Logan etc...) It would be something else to have 3 solid lefties in our rotation in 2009 (Buerhle, Danks and Gio) But from what Kenny and Rick Hahn has told us, they are the best 2 lefty pitching prospects in the game so they better be in our rotation in the near future!!