Some more to gripe about..

[Steff]

No one makes you go to the games. This is classic economics. If you increase the price of a ticket by a small amount, you do expect some amount of fans to decide that the product on the field is no longer worth their money and stop buying tickets. The goal is to increase the prices enough so as to increase profits without driving away so many fans as to reduce profitability.

 

If you don't feel that a 90 win team at those prices is a good enough deal for your money, then don't spend it.

 

 

 

^

 

Thank you.

 

Also for those who wanted a top 5 type payroll, here is your bill.

 

 

Double ^.

 

 

All that complaining about an 80 mil payroll and being "cheap" came back to bite some folks in the ass.

[CanOfCorn]

No one makes you go to the games. This is classic economics. If you increase the price of a ticket by a small amount, you do expect some amount of fans to decide that the product on the field is no longer worth their money and stop buying tickets. The goal is to increase the prices enough so as to increase profits without driving away so many fans as to reduce profitability.

 

If you don't feel that a 90 win team at those prices is a good enough deal for your money, then don't spend it.

 

 

Last year was a disappointment, it wasn't "crap-tacular." BIIIIIG difference.

[Whitewashed in '05]

I don't have a problem with it really. Especially since were still competitive compared to other teams. I just don't want to hear them cry broke when they need to re-sign players *cough* Crede...

[witesoxfan]

Regardless, the Sox are one of the most affordable teams in the MLB to see play at home.

 

unless you're a college student

and you live like 1200 miles away

 

 

But there is no argument to what you've said at all, and you're going to get a (pretty) good product on the field, which has been proven to be true for the entire decade so far. You really can't ask for much more than that.

[Steff]

unless you're a college student

and you live like 1200 miles away

But there is no argument to what you've said at all, and you're going to get a (pretty) good product on the field, which has been proven to be true for the entire decade so far. You really can't ask for much more than that.

 

 

It sucks for a lot of you guys. I don't know what I would do if I couldn't see the Sox as much as I do.

[witesoxfan]

I don't have a problem with it really. Especially since were still competitive compared to other teams. I just don't want to hear them cry broke when they need to re-sign players *cough* Crede...

 

I'd give it a 90% chance Crede is dealt next offseason. Fields is almost ready, and barring a major setback from him (and that's entirely possible), he's the 3Bman for the 2008 Sox. If not, I'd be surprised if a stopgap wasn't brought in.

 

There's too much risk involved with resigning Crede - namely his back - but also his price compared to production. He's likely to get 5/$55, and that's just really not worth it for the Sox.

 

Dye, Iguchi, and Buehrle are my bigger concerns for getting contract extensions. Dye is almost certainly gone, just because he's going to get like 4/$60, and I'm not sure that's entirely worth it, and Iguchi is almost a must to be resigned unless KW can pull off a deal for Orlando Hudson or Michael Young or someone such as that. Buehrle is a hometown favorite and a pretty durable starter, so he may be worth the money dished out, though that's not a certainty either.

 

It sucks for a lot of you guys. I don't know what I would do if I couldn't see the Sox as much as I do.

 

Having lived in the f'ing Dakotas all my life, I get used to watching 40 games a year on TV. It's just a hassle and a half to drive even 8 hours to Minneapolis to watch a game, let alone drive/fly to Chicago.

[shoota]

And people still love Brooks Boyer.

[Kalapse]

And people still love Brooks Boyer.

Get a clue.

[shoota]

Get a clue.

 

What do you mean?

[Steff]

And people still love Brooks Boyer.

 

 

Brooks Boyer has zero to do with ticket prices.

[Kalapse]

What do you mean?

What the f*** does Brooks Boyer have to do with the rise in ticket prices?

[IlliniKrush]

It sucks for a lot of you guys. I don't know what I would do if I couldn't see the Sox as much as I do.

Chill in your pool, duh

[Steff]

Chill in your pool, duh

 

 

 

I do that on the weekends.

[shoota]

What the f*** does Brooks Boyer have to do with the rise in ticket prices?

 

With a marketing title, I wouldn't think Boyer has anything to do with ticket prices, but some of his past comments make me feel like he has a lead voice in that decision. During an interview, Boyer said his job is to get as much money as he can for KW to work with, and IIRC, it was his idea to adjust ticket prices based on opponent, day of the week and month of the year.

[Steff]

With a marketing title, I wouldn't think Boyer has anything to do with ticket prices, but some of his past comments make me feel like he has a lead voice in that decision. During an interview, Boyer said his job is to get as much money as he can for KW to work with, and IIRC, it was his idea to adjust ticket prices based on opponent, day of the week and month of the year.

 

 

No. It's just his job to market it.

 

 

As for his comments, it's his job to get butts in the seats and spending money. The price of the ticket is an obsticle for him as well.

[Kalapse]

No. It's just his job to market it.

As for his comments, it's his job to get butts in the seats and spending money. The price of the ticket is an obsticle for him as well.

Exactly right, it's Brook's job to make the fans forget they're paying more and put plans in place that will get the people to the game despite the fact that they'll have to shell out more doe just to get in the park. The fact that ticket prices have been raised for next season actually makes it harder for Brooks to do his job and as you said it becomes just another obstacle for him to overcome in order to fill the stadium. If the Sox had lowered ticket prices this offseason it would only have helped Brooks.

 

His job is to make as much money for the organization as possible by filling up the stadium night in and night out regardless of the price of admission, not to set the price.

[shoota]

No. It's just his job to market it.

As for his comments, it's his job to get butts in the seats and spending money. The price of the ticket is an obsticle for him as well.

 

Not true, since the Sox will likely make more money on ticket sales in 2007 than in 2006, based on amount of tickets already sold and the $2-3 increase per ticket.

Edited February 10, 2007 by shoota

[Steff]

Not true, since the Sox will likely make more money on ticket sales in 2007 than in 2006, based on amount of tickets already sold and the $2-3 increase per ticket.

 

 

 

The tickets already sold are to Season ticket holders. We get a discount off the gate price so you are incorrect.

[shoota]

The tickets already sold are to Season ticket holders. We get a discount off the gate price so you are incorrect.

 

And last year's season ticket holders didn't get a discount off gate?

[CanOfCorn]

Not true, since the Sox will likely make more money on ticket sales in 2007 than in 2006, based on amount of tickets already sold and the $2-3 increase per ticket.

 

Actually, totally true.

 

If you have fewer people coming, that doesn't mean you are making more money. Boyer's job is to fill the place whether the price of tickets is low or high. Whether the team is good or bad. So, higher ticket prices actually hurt him.

Edited February 10, 2007 by CanOfCorn

[Steff]

And last year's season ticket holders didn't get a discount off gate?

 

 

 

We get it every year. We don't increase every year, and didn't this much this year.

 

What does that have to do with you thinking the ticket price is not an obsticle for Brooks?

 

Actually, totally true.

 

If you have fewer people coming, that doesn't mean you are making more money. Boyer's job is to fill the place whether the price of tickets is low or high. Whether the team is good or bad. So, higher ticket prices actually hurt him.

 

 

 

I think he thinks that the Sox have already made their money from ST holders. Which might have been true if all holders increased 100% and there was 100% retention. Both of which are not the cases.

[shoota]

Actually, totally true.

 

If you have fewer people coming, that doesn't mean you are making more money. Boyer's job is to fill the place whether the price of tickets is low or high. Whether the team is good or bad. So, higher ticket prices actually hurt him.

 

That's quite obvious.

 

I contested Steff's point that the increased 2007 ticket prices are a detriment to Boyer by suggesting the price increase will be more profitable than 2006's, based on expected strong 2007 attendance.

Edited February 10, 2007 by shoota

[Dick Allen]

He might not have the final say, but you can be assurred Brooks' imput is sought when ticket prices are being contemplated. The bottom line is if you want a team with a high payroll, its going to cost you some money to watch the games in person.

[Steff]

That's quite obvious.

 

I contested Steff's point that the increased 2007 ticket prices are a detriment to Boyer by suggesting the price increase will be more profitable than 2006's, based on expected strong 2007 attendance.

 

Ahhh.. based on an expectation. Gotcha.

 

 

I swear if I didn't read it, I wouldn't believe it.

[spiderman]

I'd give it a 90% chance Crede is dealt next offseason. Fields is almost ready, and barring a major setback from him (and that's entirely possible), he's the 3Bman for the 2008 Sox. If not, I'd be surprised if a stopgap wasn't brought in.

 

There's too much risk involved with resigning Crede - namely his back - but also his price compared to production. He's likely to get 5/$55, and that's just really not worth it for the Sox.

 

Dye, Iguchi, and Buehrle are my bigger concerns for getting contract extensions. Dye is almost certainly gone, just because he's going to get like 4/$60, and I'm not sure that's entirely worth it, and Iguchi is almost a must to be resigned unless KW can pull off a deal for Orlando Hudson or Michael Young or someone such as that. Buehrle is a hometown favorite and a pretty durable starter, so he may be worth the money dished out, though that's not a certainty either.

Having lived in the f'ing Dakotas all my life, I get used to watching 40 games a year on TV. It's just a hassle and a half to drive even 8 hours to Minneapolis to watch a game, let alone drive/fly to Chicago.

 

You make a good argument that the White Sox can justify, for baseball reasons, why we should let Dye, Crede, and Iguchi leave via free agency, but I also think you have a pre-2005 White Sox mentality when we didn't have record crowds, and all these new revenue sources. There's no way we can afford to sign all of our players in this market, and you have to have younger players make their ways into the majors, but I also think it's crazy for Williams to potentially not sign any of our free agents because of the market. The market is what it is, and all teams are playing by it so I'm hoping that Williams/Sox coaches can develop our young talent, and allow us to supplement them with our top veteran players.