Illini Players in crash

[whitesoxfan101]

An Illini sports player doing something stupid? Shocking!

 

I hope they both get healthy and if there was any inappropriate activities by either of them that the UIUC hangs them high instead of the slap on the wrist McBride suspension.

 

I'm not for sure on this (and no, I didn't get this from any message boards, I actually KNOW people down there that I talked to, just for the record), but there is a reason for the following:

 

1. Nobody has said this was just a tragic accident due to bad weather.

2. Jamar hired an attorney and jetted back to Peoria ASAP after release from the hospital.

3. The police aren't saying anything.

4. They weren't coming home from any sort of official team related anything at that time.

5. There are all kinds of pictures and witness accounts from the apartment about a lot of things after Jamar got there and 911 was called.

 

Now that's the speculatory part, and the futher stuff I know I won't post since that is speculation too. But I will say that folks down there are saying it'll take a couple weeks or so to figure out what the blood/toxicology results say, but Jamar is known to like to tip a few and well.....yeah I don't need to say anymore obviously, except I don't think Carlwell is going to be in an legal trouble at all.

 

Man I hope I'm wrong though, and before anybody says it, the whole reason internet message boards exist is speculation, so don't kill the messenger.

[Dick Allen]

Although I do not like anything Illini, I am very thankful both of these guys are apparently going to be OK. Too bad Jimmy Collins still isn't there, this accident may have been avoided if the guys were given Chevy Blazers.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

I'm not for sure on this (and no, I didn't get this from any message boards, I actually KNOW people down there that I talked to, just for the record), but there is a reason for the following:

 

1. Nobody has said this was just a tragic accident due to bad weather.

2. Jamar hired an attorney and jetted back to Peoria ASAP after release from the hospital.

3. The police aren't saying anything.

4. They weren't coming home from any sort of official team related anything at that time.

5. There are all kinds of pictures and witness accounts from the apartment about a lot of things after Jamar got there and 911 was called.

 

Now that's the speculatory part, and the futher stuff I know I won't post since that is speculation too. But I will say that folks down there are saying it'll take a couple weeks or so to figure out what the blood/toxicology results say, but Jamar is known to like to tip a few and well.....yeah I don't need to say anymore obviously, except I don't think Carlwell is going to be in an legal trouble at all.

 

Man I hope I'm wrong though, and before anybody says it, the whole reason internet message boards exist is speculation, so don't kill the messenger.

Underage basketball player -- the first thing I thought was party...especially from my alma mater.

 

Especially after some of the other things the illustrious sports players at Illinois have done like bar fights at Joe's, McBride's DUI, Luther Head's theft etc, etc, etc.

 

I wouldn't doubt for a minute that Jamar was being a f***ing idiot. I wonder if he'll actually be prosecuted on campus though given the history of slaps on the wrist.

[Dick Allen]

Underage basketball player -- the first thing I thought was party...especially from my alma mater.

 

Especially after some of the other things the illustrious sports players at Illinois have done like bar fights at Joe's, McBride's DUI, Luther Head's theft etc, etc, etc.

 

I wouldn't doubt for a minute that Jamar was being a f***ing idiot. I wonder if he'll actually be prosecuted on campus though given the history of slaps on the wrist.

The guy drove home and left his buddy in the car in the parking lot of his apartment complex. His concussion either was so bad he didn't know what was going on, but able to find his way home with, if you look at the pictures of the car, his 6'11" friend only inches from him, or he was smashed and scared out of his mind. Who knows what would have happened to Carwell if someone hadn't spotted Smith in the lot. He's hired a defense lawyer, so apparently the hammer is coming. I have the feeling you won't be seeing Smith in an Illini uniform for a long time, if ever again.

[whitesoxfan99]

The guy drove home and left his buddy in the car in the parking lot of his apartment complex. His concussion either was so bad he didn't know what was going on, but able to find his way home with, if you look at the pictures of the car, his 6'11" friend only inches from him, or he was smashed and scared out of his mind. Who knows what would have happened to Carwell if someone hadn't spotted Smith in the lot. He's hired a defense lawyer, so apparently the hammer is coming. I have the feeling you won't be seeing Smith in an Illini uniform for a long time, if ever again.

 

Hiring a defense lawyer doesn't necessarily have anything to do with drugs or alcohol though. Smart to hire a lawyer in a case like this regardless. There are reports that Smith contacted 911 so that could be one of the reasons he returned home. Well that and he had a concussion so there is no way he was thinking straight at the time. I hate when people rush to crucify public figures in these situations (not referring to you, I'm sure I've been guilty of this at some point).

Edited February 15, 2007 by whitesoxfan99

[fathom]

If you were to believe some "insiders" with the program, Jamar Smith is in a lot of trouble.

[Buehrle>Wood]

If you were to believe some "insiders" with the program, Jamar Smith is in a lot of trouble.

AKA random message board posters who claim they have sources? I mean, honestly, what are you trying to say here.

[fathom]

AKA random message board posters who claim they have sources? I mean, honestly, what are you trying to say here.

 

No, these are some of the main guys on the most popular Illini sites. It will be a pleasant surprise if this doesn't turn into something major for Jamar Smith. This is totally just throwing something out there, but I have a feeling that Jamar Smith will be starting for Bradley in 2008.

[Buehrle>Wood]

No, these are some of the main guys on the most popular Illini sites. It will be a pleasant surprise if this doesn't turn into something major for Jamar Smith. This is totally just throwing something out there, but I have a feeling that Jamar Smith will be starting for Bradley in 2008.

As I thought.

 

 

 

And if the rumors are true, I douby any in school state is dumb enough to take him.

[fathom]

As I thought.

And if the rumors are true, I douby any in school state is dumb enough to take him.

 

Trust me, I'm not talking about any random person who can post on any message board they want. This information is being passed down from the people that own these sites and give frequent inside information on the program that people off the street could never get.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Trust me, I'm not talking about any random person who can post on any message board they want. This information is being passed down from the people that own these sites and give frequent inside information on the program that people off the street could never get.

Then atleast cite a web address to such posts.

 

 

Even so, I'm sure it's all hearsay anyway. There were no witnesses to this whole ordeal. What better do they know than any of us? And it's not like Jamar Smith's camp was dumb enough to say anything.

 

Until the toxicology report comes out, we know nothing about this situation.

[fathom]

Then atleast cite a web address to such posts.

Even so, I'm sure it's all hearsay anyway. There were no witnesses to this whole ordeal. What better do they know than any of us? And it's not like Jamar Smith's camp was dumb enough to say anything.

 

Until the toxicology report comes out, we know nothing about this situation.

 

Since the information I've been reading is on the pay part of the sites, I'm just going to wait a day or so to see what comes out. Like I said earlier, I hope everything turns out fine and the rumors are bogus.

[whitesoxfan99]

Since the information I've been reading is on the pay part of the sites, I'm just going to wait a day or so to see what comes out. Like I said earlier, I hope everything turns out fine and the rumors are bogus.

 

Hope so to. Kent Brown stated that Jamar did in fact call for an ambulance from the apartment complex. So it isn't like he just left Carlwell in the car for no reason. LINK

[whitesoxfan101]

Well, the fact that the attorney Jamar hired is a borderline legend downstate for his defense of DUI cases makes me feel a lot better about this. /sarcasm

 

And again, these people I talk to actually work FOR the school, they aren't from the illini board. The only time I've been lead astray with this kind of hard info was the Eric Gordon thing, and even BRUCE had no idea on that thing until the day it became official. I hope this is the 2nd time I've been lead astray though, this would be horrible.

 

I wouldn't doubt for a minute that Jamar was being a f***ing idiot. I wonder if he'll actually be prosecuted on campus though given the history of slaps on the wrist.

 

If what is apparently accurate based on what I know is actually proven correct, Jamar not only is gone from Illini hoops forever, he's going to jail.

Edited February 15, 2007 by whitesoxfan101

[IlliniKrush]

A lot of this just doesn't add up now.

 

After seeing the pictures of his car, it appears to me that he was going too fast for whatever conditions were out there. I mean, even with a spin before hitting the tree, it looks THAT bad?

 

Hiring a lawyer seems like it could be OK, that didn't really worry me. The 101 info worries me a bit, I did not know that about the lawyer. And then i'm hearing he's packing his bags and taking off to Peoria? Seems a bit odd, no?

 

And finally, what was he doing driving around in THAT car after that accident? Did he not realize how injured Brian was...or even how bad the car was? If i had nothing to hide, I would have been calling 911 immediately. And if my phone broke, i would have been out flagging down help, or running to the nearest house, something besides driving back to my apartment, however near or far.

 

There's just a lot of things that don't exactly look right at the current moment. I hope this was just perhaps speeding in bad weather or something, but I do certainly have my doubts right now.

[whitesoxfan101]

Jamar is in Peoria, btw, he got the heck out of town and hired that lawyer as soon as Brian's condition was upgraded out of critical and it was clear he'd live. I just wonder if he'll ever be back to Champaign....

[thedoctor]

there are a lot of disconcerting things about this story, and a lot of smoke.

 

fwiw, there is also a discrepancy in news reports of whether or not smith made the 911 call from his apartment. the ap story says he does, yet the sun-times story says he did not and it was made by someone in his apartment complex.

 

you could go a lot of ways with this speculation.

 

for now, all i know for certain is that i am happy it looks like carlwell will be ok.

[whitesoxfan101]

The confusion is easy. What I was told by somebody who would DEFINITELY know is that somebody saw the car all screwed up in the lot for the apartment complex and she called 911 before Jamar did, which goes along with what Kent Brown is now saying. However, he also says Jamar never called 911 AT ALL, which is even worse than what I was told. I was told he called 911, but after the witnesses (which is still possible, but Brown didn't want to admit it. We may never know that.)

 

AT LEAST Brian is going to make a full recovery however, that made my day hearing it officially.

Edited February 15, 2007 by whitesoxfan101

[Gene Honda Civic]

I heard Jamar called Pierre Pierce to get his advice

[whitesoxfan101]

I heard Jamar called Pierre Pierce to get his advice

 

Woulda made more sense to call Halle Berry, based on what he did. But the fact that what I considered my least reliable source was pretty spot on about when 911 was called is sobering news (pardon the expression).

 

And just for the record, the direct quote I was told was "If Jamar called 911 at all, it wasn't until after he arrived at the apartments, and somebody else had already called 911 there first after seeing the car in the lot".

Edited February 15, 2007 by whitesoxfan101

[Dick Allen]

I heard Jamar called Pierre Pierce to get his advice

As much as Jamar has apparently screwed up his life, he's probably very, very lucky he didn't screw it up more. Thank God Carwell is going to be fine. I couldn't imagine if something happened where he would have been impaired the rest of his life or even more dire, and it could have been avoided with more timely medical attention, and that's not even taking into account what Jamar's blood/alcohol level may have been. As bad as this situation apparently is, it would be a million times better is Jamar was not hammered. Hopefully the tests will show that.

Much like Steve Alford with Pierce, if most of the rumors are true, Bruce Weber is going to be in a tough spot with Jamar. If he gives him his full support, and the evidence shows Jamar was a bad guy that night, Bruce will probably never live that down, and if he just cuts ties with him, that will be brought up by Illinois' competition for every recruit they try to bring in in the future. For a guy with supposed recruiting issues to begin with, that could be a career killer for him. Its really totally unfair to him, much like the initial criticism of Alford was IMO unfair. Alford believed in his guy, but once the second incident happened with Pierce, Alford should have been shown the door for his error in judgement.

[fathom]

The more information I'm hearing, the worse this gets. The latest tidbits going around is that there was a 2 hour span between the accident and Smith calling 911. The blood tests are for confirmation of what the breathlyzer showed, but supposedly breathlyzer's aren't permissible in court in this situation due to it being taken 2 hours after the accident at the hospital. A rumor going around that has yet to be confirmed is that there was a basketball party on Monday night, and another player might be in trouble for providing alcohol to minors. Hopefully these sources are wrong, but this might be the beginning of the end for Weber.

Edited February 16, 2007 by fathom

[Buehrle>Wood]

The more information I'm hearing, the worse this gets. The latest tidbits going around is that there was a 2 hour span between the accident and Smith calling 911. The blood tests are for confirmation of what the breathlyzer showed, but supposedly breathlyzer's aren't permissible in court in this situation due to it being taken 2 hours after the accident at the hospital. A rumor going around that has yet to be confirmed is that there was a basketball party on Friday night, and another player might be in trouble for providing alcohol to minors. Hopefully these sources are wrong, but this might be the beginning of the end for Weber.

True or not, please stop citing internet posts as "sources". I'm pretty sure we here at soxtalk were exposed to a similar situation not too long ago.

[fathom]

True or not, please stop citing internet posts as "sources". I'm pretty sure we here at soxtalk were exposed to a similar situation not too long ago.

 

Like I said yesterday, the people that I'm referring to have a lot more significant contacts than you and I in regards to the Illini program. I've never once said that any of this stuff is fact....it's just what is out there right now. Everything in the media is just speculation right now, but someone would be naive to not think that tidbits have been public knowledge. The scenario mentioned above is the best explanation for the 4-6 week blood test they're waiting for.

Edited February 16, 2007 by fathom

[greasywheels121]

The more information I'm hearing, the worse this gets. The latest tidbits going around is that there was a 2 hour span between the accident and Smith calling 911. The blood tests are for confirmation of what the breathlyzer showed, but supposedly breathlyzer's aren't permissible in court in this situation due to it being taken 2 hours after the accident at the hospital. A rumor going around that has yet to be confirmed is that there was a basketball party on Friday night, and another player might be in trouble for providing alcohol to minors. Hopefully these sources are wrong, but this might be the beginning of the end for Weber.

 

Where was this "party" because the Illini were most likely in Bloomington by that time. So I'm going to call BS on that.