Ken Rosenthal Talks Offseason Moves

[Flash Tizzle]

What have you agreed with in the past that KW has done? Have you agreed or thought much of any of his deals or signings?

What is your track record in agreeing or disagreeing with KW and his scouts? How did that turn out for you? I have a feeling you are more wrong than right when it comes to what moves the Sox should or shouldn't have made.

I've agreed with numerous signings and acquistions. It's just typical of people to remember those comments which appear negative in nature.

 

And my track record? 89.23% success rate. Good for 8th overall on Soxtalk.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've agreed with numerous signings and acquistions. It's just typical of people to remember those comments which appear negative in nature.

 

And my track record? 89.23% success rate. Good for 8th overall on Soxtalk.

 

 

 

I never said you haven't agreed. I asked if you have. I doubt your track record is even close to 50% let alone 89.23%. I didn't know Soxtalk kept these rankings.

[Flash Tizzle]

I never said you haven't agreed. I asked if you have. I doubt your track record is even close to 50% let alone 89.23%. I didn't know Soxtalk kept these rankings.

It's a little known feature within Soxtalk available to those members with 3,000 or more posts. Only a few more and you can find out for yourself. The statistics don't lie -- I'm just that accurate.

[badatbest]

Brandon McCarthy proved he wasn't ready last year unless you buy into the argument that he couldn't adapt well to bullpen duty. That is a crappy argument though.

 

 

 

Can't play a lick of defense, but can run the bases and gave the White Sox a valuable speedy leadoff man that they needed, not another right handed station to station base clogger.

 

 

To my knowledge, McCarthy has been a starter and starter only following t-ball (his whole life). Its really different coming out of the pen; he always struck me as a a guy who gets in a rhythm and becomes untouchable (see end of 05 reg season); i dont think he ever hit that rhythm in the pen last year.

 

As far as Podseniks baserunning; i wasnt impressed.

.330 OBP (wasnt on base much to run); caught stealing 33% of the time (aka anytime where we actually needed a stolen base); yes, he scored alot of runs (trotting home from our 3-6)

Edited February 14, 2007 by bad at best

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's a little known feature within Soxtalk available to those members with 3,000 or more posts. Only a few more and you can find out for yourself. The statistics don't lie -- I'm just that accurate.

 

 

 

I am praying to the baby Jesus right now that he will allow me such an accomplishment. The Christmas version is my favorite. However, I do like it when my Jesus dresses in a tuxedo t-shirt, because it is formal, but it also says I want to party. I like to party so I like my Jesus to party.

 

 

 

QUOTE(bad at best @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

To my knowledge, McCarthy has been a starter and starter only following t-ball (his whole life). Its really different coming out of the pen; he always struck me as a a guy who gets in a rhythm and becomes untouchable (see end of 05 reg season); i dont think he ever hit that rhythm in the pen last year.

 

As far as Podseniks baserunning; i wasnt impressed.

.330 OBP (wasnt on base much to run); caught stealing 33% of the time (aka anytime where we actually needed a stolen base); yes, he scored alot of runs (trotting home from our 3-6)

 

 

 

So he is that big of a head case that he can't adjust to bullpen duty? s***, Johan Santana did it for a year or two. That is one sad excuse.

 

 

 

Baserunning is not always about stealing bases. That is something we all learn when we actually play baseball.

[badatbest]

I am praying to the baby Jesus right now that he will allow me such an accomplishment. The Christmas version is my favorite. However, I do like it when my Jesus dresses in a tuxedo t-shirt, because it is formal, but it also says I want to party. I like to party so I like my Jesus to party.

 

 

 

 

So he is that big of a head case that he can't adjust to bullpen duty? s***, Johan Santana did it for a year or two. That is one sad excuse.

 

 

 

Baserunning is not always about stealing bases. That is something we all learn when we actually play baseball.

 

 

Johan Santana is God.

 

And i mentioned 2 other aspects of baserunning besides stealing bases. (getting on; scoring runs). Anything else is not really statistically measurable (getting from 1st to 3rd, etc)

 

I dont mean to be overly argumentative, im just bored in class.

[sircaffey]

You could expect more all you want, but give an example of what that more is and why you would expect it. Carlos Lee is not as good of a baseball player as you may think. He is a good DH perhaps, but that is about it. He is not at all like a spider monkey and he is never jacked up on Mountain Dew. 2 negatives right there on Carlos Lee.

Can't play a lick of defense, but can run the bases and gave the White Sox a valuable speedy leadoff man that they needed, not another right handed station to station base clogger.

 

Minor league compensation. Like I've said before, I find it hard to believe that Pods/Viz is all the Brewers were willing to give up for Carlos. Again, like I said before, if that's all that the Brewers were willing to give up, and there were no other leadoff option available through trade, then I don't blame KW for making the deal. However, I don't believe that to be the case. Your hatred for Carlos is evident. I get it, but he's ten times the ball player Pods it.

 

And yes, Pods definitely fit into what they were trying to do. No one is arguing that.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(bad at best @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Johan Santana is God.

 

And i mentioned 2 other aspects of baserunning besides stealing bases. (getting on; scoring runs). Anything else is not really statistically measurable (getting from 1st to 3rd, etc)

 

I dont mean to be overly argumentative, im just bored in class.

 

 

 

You can't measure baserunning in statistics. You watch the games. Like defense.

 

 

 

Santana is not the only one to ever do it. He is the first that came to mind.

 

 

 

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Minor league compensation. Like I've said before, I find it hard to believe that Pods/Viz is all the Brewers were willing to give up for Carlos. Again, like I said before, if that's all that the Brewers were willing to give up, and there were no other leadoff option available through trade, then I don't blame KW for making the deal. However, I don't believe that to be the case. Your hatred for Carlos is evident. I get it, but he's ten times the ball player Pods it.

 

And yes, Pods definitely fit into what they were trying to do. No one is arguing that.

 

 

 

He is not good at what Pods does best and Pods is not even close to as good at what Carlos does best. That said, Carlos is not the ballplayer you think he is or the one that he is paid to be. He is a solid hitter and that is it.

[GoodAsGould]

You can't measure baserunning in statistics. You watch the games. Like defense.

 

 

 

Santana is not the only one to ever do it. He is the first that came to mind.

 

 

 

 

He is not good at what Pods does best and Pods is not even close to as good at what Carlos does best. That said, Carlos is not the ballplayer you think he is or the one that he is paid to be. He is a solid hitter and that is it.

 

A guy that can hit around the .300 mark and hit 30 plus bombs with 2 years left on his contract is worth a lot more than you are making it out to be. Not 2 mention he can even steal a base or 2 when need be. Argueing over it now is almost pointless but the fact is there had to be better deals out there and I don't and probably will never understand why KW settled for so little.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(bad at best @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Does anyone know why we didnt trade Garcia before the 2006 season while he had 2yrs on his contract? Gaarcia would have had more value and we had McCarthy ready for the 5th spot (and i dont want to hear any "he wasnt ready", because her was a hell of alot more ready than any of the people competing for the 5th spot this year)

Supposedly KW was shopping Garcia but wasn't happy with the offers.

[gosox41]

Last point -- expecting production from drafted players one or two years ago may be unwarranted, but what about all the years previous to that? Latin America is still uncharted territory with our scouts.

 

 

 

I agree with you on this point. The minor league system has been a disappointment in the KW era. I've been questioning it for years. I remember when KW came on, some of the minor league experts at the various White Sox sites were thrilled that KW was going to rebuild the farm system. I remember being told I know nothing about the minors and to be patient.

 

Well it's 6 drafts later so how much longer do I have to wait to rebuild a system that produced players like Buehrle, Crede, Ordonez, Lee, Durham etc.

 

Heck, I'd be thrilled to trade away minor leaguers that became stars for the sake of winning now. I wouldn't complain about lack of production in the minor league system if we were producing assets that went elswhere and had great success.

 

And don't get me started on Latin America. The Sox have the following advantages over many other teams when it comes to Latin America:

 

1. The city of Chicago is diverse and has a big Latin American population

2. The Sox have a huge number of Latin American's on their team and that's good PR.

3. The Sox have Ozzie Guillen. I'm confident Ozzie would be an excellent salesman for this team when it comes to signing some of the ametuers as free agents.

 

I don't understand why the Sox haven't done more to exploit this opportunity when we're drafting the likes of Royce Ring in the first round.

 

 

 

Bob

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

A guy that can hit around the .300 mark and hit 30 plus bombs with 2 years left on his contract is worth a lot more than you are making it out to be. Not 2 mention he can even steal a base or 2 when need be. Argueing over it now is almost pointless but the fact is there had to be better deals out there and I don't and probably will never understand why KW settled for so little.

 

 

 

Regardless of his batting numbers, he is a bad baseball player. He will make a great team good, a good team bad, and a bad team worse. He is not an addition to a team, he is a subtraction. The Astros got worse this off season by obtaining his services. The Brewers became a better team this off season by letting him go.

[Kalapse]

So he is that big of a head case that he can't adjust to bullpen duty? s***, Johan Santana did it for a year or two. That is one sad excuse.

Santana came out of the pen for a season and was even worse than McCarthy was last year. Apparently he's a headcase as well. Same goes for Roy Halladay.

[Vance Law]

For as much as KW complained about the FA market he was in the catbird's seat when it came to the starters he traded and certainly should have gotten more for Freddy and IMO sold himself short. Given if Floyd comes out and does well it will more than likely be a moot point anyway.

 

For giving up only one year of Sweaty Garcia, coming off a 4.53 ERA, and taking $10 million off the payroll I think we got a good deal.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Santana came out of the pen for a season and was even worse than McCarthy was last year. Apparently he's a headcase as well. Same goes for Roy Halladay.

 

Really? Here, check up on your stats:

Unfortunately, the Astros felt Johan was still years away from wearing a Houston uniform. When they had to set their 40-man roster, the last spot came down to Johan and teammate Aaron McNeal, who was coming off a 38-homer 131-RBI season. They opted for McNeal, exposing the young lefty in the Rule 5 draft.

 

Johan and Jared Camp of the Cleveland Indians were the top two hurlers available. The Twins had the first selection and wanted Johan. The Florida Marlins, choosing second, wanted Camp. GM Terry Ryan agreed to take Camp then swap him for Johan and some cash. Minnesota was compelled to keep Johan on the major league roster for a year. They felt he could fill a role at the back of the bullpen, then either move into middle relief or go to the minors in 2001.

 

Johan joined the pen as a mop-up man and spot starter. He got hammered to the tune of a 6.49 ERA, but convinced the Twins that he belonged on the roster the following year. Unlike many Rule 5 draftees, who simply assume they will be shipped back down after a year, Johan did whatever he could to stick around. Johan got his first major league win against his old club, the Astros, in June of 2000. He pitched five innings in relief of Milton, who was felled by a line drive. When Johan went into the game, pitching coach Dick Such told catcher Matt LeCroy to call a lot of changeups. Johann tantalized Houston, giving up just a couple of hits. He framed the scorecard and hung it on a wall in his mother’s house.

 

 

Minnesota was still regarded as a bottom-of-the-barrel franchise headed into 2001. Once again, the Indians were the team to beat in the A.L. Central and the Twins didn’t figure to give them much competition. The starting staff was anchored again by Radke, with Eric Milton and Mays trying to find consistency. The bullpen depended on converted starter LaTroy Hawkins and lefty Eddie Guardado.

 

 

 

 

Johan contributed little to the Minnesota renaissance, nursing a sore elbow through half the season. He got into 15 games, including four starts, and finished with a 1-0 record.

 

 

 

 

Johan’s contribution came in the form of an 8-6 record, 2.99 ERA and a whopping 137 strikeouts in just over 100 innings. The key was improved control and confidence in his changeup, which was now delivered with an arm motion that was virtually indistinguishable from that of his fastball. Johan froze hitters, who watched helplessly as strikeout pitches floated into the catcher’s glove at a snail-like 75 mph. To sharpen Johan’s command of this pitch, the Twins decided to start him off at Class-AAA Edmonton so he could face more batters on a regular basis.

 

 

Johan was recalled after nine starts, and after proving he could slip his slowball past major-league hitters, was promoted to Minnesota’s starting rotation. Injuries to Mays and Radke opened the door, and Johan made the most of his opportunity. As he racked up wins and strikeouts, he became a fan favorite. More than 30,000 showed up to watch him against Toronto in late July. Johan rewared them by fanning 13 Blue Jays, mixing his tailing, two-seamer with a slider and change. When the starters returned to health, Johan rejoined the bullpen, but he didn’t like it. Impatient to be a big-league starter, he thought of demanding a trade.

 

 

Though unhappy, Johan became one of Guardado’s set-up men along with Hawkins and JC Romero. He flourished in that role, mowing down batters in the late innings, although he was still a thrower and not a pitcher in the pure sense. Then again, Johan was only 23.

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So far I count 3 years in which he was in Minnesota's bullpen. Only when he PROVED he could pitch out of the bullpen was he considered for the rotation. After that he was still placed in the bullpen when everyone became healthy. When he was sent back he flourished. That doesn't sound like a headcase to me. That sounds like a young pitcher growing and learning how to pitch. Brandon McCarthy is 23 and has proved nothing, especially out of the bullpen because he was awful last year. He had, what, 4 or 5 good starts in 2005 and he expects to be in the starting rotation? How about proving it out of the bullpen. He seemed to have trouble with that and that is why it seems as if he is a head case.

 

 

 

 

 

Roy Halladay? He was being switched back and forth between starting and the bullpen when he first came up in 2000. I am sure that is not the easiest thing to adjust to. After the 2000 season he was a full time starter and made the all-star team 2 years later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Horrible examples, horrible.

 

 

[Kalapse]

Really? Here, check up on your stats:

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So far I count 3 years in which he was in Minnesota's bullpen. Only when he PROVED he could pitch out of the bullpen was he considered for the rotation. After that he was still placed in the bullpen when everyone became healthy. When he was sent back he flourished. That doesn't sound like a headcase to me. That sounds like a young pitcher growing and learning how to pitch. Brandon McCarthy is 23 and has proved nothing, especially out of the bullpen because he was awful last year. He had, what, 4 or 5 good starts in 2005 and he expects to be in the starting rotation? How about proving it out of the bullpen. He seemed to have trouble with that and that is why it seems as if he is a head case.

Roy Halladay? He was being switched back and forth between starting and the bullpen when he first came up in 2000. I am sure that is not the easiest thing to adjust to. After the 2000 season he was a full time starter and made the all-star team 2 years later.

Horrible examples, horrible.

What the hell are you looking for exactly? Someone who was called up as a rookie, struggled as a starter at first so was sent back down but was called up later in the season and played a major role in getting a team to the World Series as a starter but was then used out of the bullpen his second year in the majors and floundered? So you're looking for an exact same situation? I'm just wondering what you're even looking for here. And cut the s*** with all the spaces between paragraphs, it's completely unnecessary and is a b**** to read.

 

And if what McCarthy did out of the pen in '06 counts for so damn much then why don't the 5 starts he had after being called back up at the end of '05 in the middle of a playoff race count for more?

 

You know the starts against division rivals and high powered offenses away from home when he won 3 key decisions posting a 1.69 ERA and sub 1 WHIP.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What the hell are you looking for exactly? Someone who was called up as a rookie, struggled as a starter at first so was sent back down but was called up later in the season and played a major role in getting a team to the World Series as a starter but was then used out of the bullpen his second year in the majors and floundered? So you're looking for an exact same situation? I'm just wondering what you're even looking for here. And cut the s*** with all the spaces between paragraphs, it's completely unnecessary and is a b**** to read.

 

And if what McCarthy did out of the pen in '06 counts for so damn much then why don't the 5 starts he had after being called back up at the end of '05 in the middle of a playoff race count for more?

 

You know the starts against division rivals and high powered offenses away from home when he won 3 key decisions posting a 1.69 ERA and sub 1 WHIP.

 

First - don't read it if you don't want to or if you find it bulls*** to read. Move along little doggy.

 

Second - no I don't need the same exact situation. I need something comparable to where someone was mediocre his first year, then failed as terribly as McCarthy did coming out of the bullpen and was still a good pitcher later.

 

Third - In McCarthy's situation I believe they saw him the previous year when he had about 10 starts (5 good) and saw him on tape and made adjustments to him. The second year when he was coming out of the bullpen he was awful because the competition caught up to him and he could not make it out of the bullpen because he is a head case.

 

You know the appearances where he ate spaghetti w/marinara instead of meatloaf during day games and at home when the atmosphere was just right. He pitched good on those days out of the bullpen.

 

Don't like it - don't read it - move on.

Edited February 15, 2007 by southsideirish

[witesoxfan]

Second - no I don't need the same exact situation. I need something comparable to where someone was mediocre his first year, then failed as terribly as McCarthy did coming out of the bullpen and was still a good pitcher later.

 

All you need is one

 

Third - In McCarthy's situation I believe they saw him the previous year when he had about 10 starts (5 good) and saw him on tape and made adjustments to him. The second year when he was coming out of the bullpen he was awful because the competition caught up to him and he could not make it out of the bullpen because he is a head case.

 

That's exactly what it looked like at the end of the year when he dominated Cleveland, an opponent he had faced all year long.

[Balta1701]

Since we're still talking McCarthy, I'll bring up the point I brought up during the season repeatedly; McCarthy was pretty good out of the bullpen with the notable exception of the couple months when Ozzie gave him very inconsistent work. He had about 8-10 days off right after he made that start in May, then came out and got shelled afterwards. Had a good april, a good june, a good july, had another 8 day or so off stretch in August, and then was shelled for a good part of August and September. Every time he sat on the bench for a while, when he came back out, everything he threw was up in the zone and people were launching it; when he didn't get work, he couldn't drive the change and curve into the ground like he usually wants to.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

All you need is one

 

 

 

That's exactly what it looked like at the end of the year when he dominated Cleveland, an opponent he had faced all year long.

 

First I am not going to go back and check how this guy started his career and finished it. Second, you have to go all the way back to 1958? WOW!!!!

 

Jeeze, now that I look at it, his best season was 13-8? He pitched more than 200 innings twice in a 10 year career? This guy was a good pitcher? He doesn't look like it. His ERA was good only 30% of the time and his WHIP good 40% of the time. This is a good pitcher? You are hoping McCarthy could equal that? OK, fine by me.

 

Good luck to McCarthy. I hope he is as good as you think he is for his sake and the Rangers'. Cleveland was going nowhere fast at the end of the year. Something happened to them after Sizemore made that ridiculous error. I don't know what it was, but they were not the same after that.

 

 

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Since we're still talking McCarthy, I'll bring up the point I brought up during the season repeatedly; McCarthy was pretty good out of the bullpen with the notable exception of the couple months when Ozzie gave him very inconsistent work. He had about 8-10 days off right after he made that start in May, then came out and got shelled afterwards. Had a good april, a good june, a good july, had another 8 day or so off stretch in August, and then was shelled for a good part of August and September. Every time he sat on the bench for a while, when he came back out, everything he threw was up in the zone and people were launching it; when he didn't get work, he couldn't drive the change and curve into the ground like he usually wants to.

 

I never recall him being good last year. He seemed to be part of the problem in the pen an not part of the solution. He was absolutely horrible in May and September and average every other month except June - when he was outstanding. He pitched between 13 and 15 innings every month of the year. That seems pretty consistent for a bullpen guy. I think you are just looking for excuses for the guy.

Edited February 15, 2007 by southsideirish

[witesoxfan]

First I am not going to go back and check how this guy started his career and finished it. Second, you have to go all the way back to 1958? WOW!!!!

 

Jeeze, now that I look at it, his best season was 13-8? He pitched more than 200 innings twice in a 10 year career? This guy was a good pitcher? He doesn't look like it. His ERA was good only 30% of the time and his WHIP good 40% of the time. This is a good pitcher? You are hoping McCarthy could equal that? OK, fine by me.

 

He had a pretty respectable career, and all I really did was go based off of the pitchers who had the most similar careers as McCarthy has up to his point. It was simple research, I provided a name, and that's really all you wanted.

 

I'm also sure he would have pitched more had those Sox rosters in the late 50's, early 60s not been loaded. I don't know anything about him, but he has good numbers, and had a nice stretch of 6-7 years. You're making it sound like he sucked, but last time I checked, all the Sox really need from whomever (McCarthy/Danks/Floyd) is that nice stretch of 6-7 years, no?

 

If you want me to dig deeper, I'm sure I can find a few more names who are similar to (my estimation) of the type of career McCarthy could put up. I really don't wish to, because it'd be time consuming and completely subjective, but I'd do it.

[The Ginger Kid]

A 17 game winner and Tiger killer who stepped up big time in the playoffs? Yeah, a couple of prospects oughta do it.

 

Santana came out of the pen for a season and was even worse than McCarthy was last year. Apparently he's a headcase as well. Same goes for Roy Halladay.

Did they also leave their 90mph fastball up in the zone?

[Kalapse]

First - don't read it if you don't want to or if you find it bulls*** to read. Move along little doggy.

 

Second - no I don't need the same exact situation. I need something comparable to where someone was mediocre his first year, then failed as terribly as McCarthy did coming out of the bullpen and was still a good pitcher later.

 

Third - In McCarthy's situation I believe they saw him the previous year when he had about 10 starts (5 good) and saw him on tape and made adjustments to him. The second year when he was coming out of the bullpen he was awful because the competition caught up to him and he could not make it out of the bullpen because he is a head case.

 

You know the appearances where he ate spaghetti w/marinara instead of meatloaf during day games and at home when the atmosphere was just right. He pitched good on those days out of the bullpen.

 

Don't like it - don't read it - move on.

Hey guess what I have to read your posts in case you haven't noticed I mod this section of the board and you have a history of personal attacks and subsequent suspensions so I have to read you're drawn out posts to make sure you're not herrassing other posters. That sort of line may work with most posters but it's not going to work for me, if you'd like I could always just edit the giant spaces out of your posts if it's too much work for you.

 

And as for you saying McCarthy's '05 season was "mediocre" I recommend you go back and watch some of the starts (boston, texas, minnesota, cleveland) because without Brandon's dominance down the stretch that season the Sox don't even make the playoffs let alone win the World Series.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hey guess what I have to read your posts in case you haven't noticed I mod this section of the board and you have a history of personal attacks and subsequent suspensions so I have to read you're drawn out posts to make sure you're not herrassing other posters. That sort of line may work with most posters but it's not going to work for me, if you'd like I could always just edit the giant spaces out of your posts if it's too much work for you.

 

And as for you saying McCarthy's '05 season was "mediocre" I recommend you go back and watch some of the starts (boston, texas, minnesota, cleveland) because without Brandon's dominance down the stretch that season the Sox don't even make the playoffs let alone win the World Series.

 

 

 

I have had 2 suspensions here the entire time I was here and both involved Steff and nothing else. I think there is a bit of a favortism there, but who am I to say.

 

 

 

Please go ahead and edit the giant spaces out of my posts from now on as it is so difficult for you to read.

 

 

 

I remember the 5 starts. I also remember the other starts he had during that season that were nothing special at all. Like I posted before, we will see how he does now after the league has seen him a bit and they have tape on him. Brandon McCarthy was not the only reason we made it to the playoffs. He also didn't even make the post season roster and we dominated the post season like almost no other team in the history of baseball. So he had 5 great games in his major league career. Congrats to him, but I doubt he improves on those stats.

 

 

 

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

He had a pretty respectable career, and all I really did was go based off of the pitchers who had the most similar careers as McCarthy has up to his point. It was simple research, I provided a name, and that's really all you wanted.

 

I'm also sure he would have pitched more had those Sox rosters in the late 50's, early 60s not been loaded. I don't know anything about him, but he has good numbers, and had a nice stretch of 6-7 years. You're making it sound like he sucked, but last time I checked, all the Sox really need from whomever (McCarthy/Danks/Floyd) is that nice stretch of 6-7 years, no?

 

If you want me to dig deeper, I'm sure I can find a few more names who are similar to (my estimation) of the type of career McCarthy could put up. I really don't wish to, because it'd be time consuming and completely subjective, but I'd do it.

 

 

 

If that is all you are looking for from McCarthy is what that guy did then so be it. Nothing special to me and that seems to be a fair comparison to McCarthy. A possible dependable starter, but nothing special.

[Kalapse]

I have had 2 suspensions here the entire time I was here and both involved Steff and nothing else. I think there is a bit of a favortism there, but who am I to say.

 

 

 

Please go ahead and edit the giant spaces out of my posts from now on as it is so difficult for you to read.

 

 

 

I remember the 5 starts. I also remember the other starts he had during that season that were nothing special at all. Like I posted before, we will see how he does now after the league has seen him a bit and they have tape on him. Brandon McCarthy was not the only reason we made it to the playoffs. He also didn't even make the post season roster and we dominated the post season like almost no other team in the history of baseball. So he had 5 great games in his major league career. Congrats to him, but I doubt he improves on those stats.

He struggled after first being called up like most 21 year old rookies called up straight from AA tend to do so he went down to AAA for the first time and worked on his game, came back up and dominated against some of the best teams in the game. I never said he was the only reason the Sox made the playoff, just that without him they likely would not have. Brandon was left off the playoff roster mainly because the Sox only needed 4 starters and El Duque's playoff experience made him a better candidate for a bullpen spot on the playoff team than a 21 year old with only a couple career starts, if El Duque was still injured come October McCarthy would have been one of the 25 players selected to play in the postseason.

 

And as for the large spaces in your posts, I'm not going to edit them out but I am going to ask you again, nicely to no longer do that.