Tim Hardaway

[Dick Allen]

It would be interesting to hear Hardaway's take on someone who said he hates black people. Its ignorant, something he will back away from. The funny thing is, is he probably knows a lot of gay people that he likes, but just doesn't know they are gay.

[Steve9347]

Hardaway is an idiot.

[southsider2k5]

It would be interesting to hear Hardaway's take on someone who said he hates black people. Its ignorant, something he will back away from. The funny thing is, is he probably knows a lot of gay people that he likes, but just doesn't know they are gay.

 

We are right on the same wavelength

 

http://www.talkbulls.com/forums/index.php?...ost&p=23375

[LosMediasBlancas]

You have no problem with rhetoric that is filled with such hatred?!?

 

I'm sorry but his "rights as a citizen" in NO WAY condones and excuses his actions.

Its about time we stop using that as an excuse. It is HATE speech. Pure and Simple.

Please do not dilute his comments. There is a strong difference in "personal beliefs" and what he said.

He didn't say he liked the Rolling Stones over the Beatles. He didn't say he was Catholic and not a Baptist.

He said "I HATE GAYS"

Thats not a perosnal belief...that outright hatred.

 

 

please explain the difference to me.

[Chisoxfn]

As far as I'm concerned Hardaway was a man. He didn't say what was politically correct, he said how he felt. His feelings aren't right but its better than someone going around lying about it because until that sort of stuff is in the open people won't be able to make adjustments.

 

Lets say every player in the NBA said they would be open to a gay player (not really meaning it) and than a gay player comes in and gets completely torn to shreds by the players and they just act like complete buffoons toward such individual.

 

Now lets say that NBA players spoke there feelings, than you would have a portion feeling the same way Hardaway does and a portion feeling like its no big deal with some being indifferent to the whole damn thing. In this case the NBA knows what is out there and they can take steps to educate the players and try to make adjustments.

 

What Timmy said was wrong and he probably should have just said I don't want to speak on the subject as opposed to giving some phony answer but I'll take his honest opinion over some sugar coded PC answer, whether right or wrong.

[aboz56]

He can say whatever he wants, not that everyone has to agree with it, but he's entitled to his opinion.

 

For people to say what he said is wrong is ridiculous. It might be wrong according to YOUR view, but if that is the way he feels, that's how he feels. I've really got no problem with what he says, I might not agree with it, but he is entitled to think and say what he wants as long as he is prepared to deal with the ramifications.

[CanOfCorn]

The other issue is that he wasn't threatening anyone. He was speaking about himself. Now, if he said something along the lines of, "If Amaechi was on my team when I played, I would have beat the crap out of him." That's unacceptable. It's a threat to a group of people.

 

What he said, while ignorant, where his personal feelings.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

He can say whatever he wants, not that everyone has to agree with it, but he's entitled to his opinion.

 

For people to say what he said is wrong is ridiculous. It might be wrong according to YOUR view, but if that is the way he feels, that's how he feels. I've really got no problem with what he says, I might not agree with it, but he is entitled to think and say what he wants as long as he is prepared to deal with the ramifications.

 

I'd like to think that it sounds wrong to maybe 80% of sane, logical people, but maybe I'm being too hopeful...

 

And I do have a problem with people saying that and thinking that way. I'm definitely not a fan of closedmindedness or bigotry nor the serious problems and consequences that arise because of it. According to amaechi, those comments sort of opened the floodgates and he's recieved much, much more threatening hate-mail.

[aboz56]

I'd like to think that it sounds wrong to maybe 80% of sane, logical people, but maybe I'm being too hopeful...

 

And I do have a problem with people saying that and thinking that way. I'm definitely not a fan of closedmindedness or bigotry nor the serious problems and consequences that arise because of it. According to amaechi, those comments sort of opened the floodgates and he's recieved much, much more threatening hate-mail.

It is wrong to you, maybe to him is it not. Who are you, I or anyone else to tell someone what is right and wrong. That's his own personal decision. Like I said, I don't agree with him, but to just tell someone they are flat out wrong for feeling a certain way, well I just don't agree with that at all. The guy is entitled to think and say what he feels, provided he is ready to deal with the ramifications, as I stated earlier.

[Dick Allen]

While Hardaway has a right to his opinion, prejudice is ignorant. Hate is a pretty strong word. It will be interesting to see if he sticks with being frank, or backs off and tries to be PC. Anyway you slice it, I think he comes off as a dope.

[RibbieRubarb]

What Timmy said was wrong and he probably should have just said I don't want to speak on the subject as opposed to giving some phony answer but I'll take his honest opinion over some sugar coded PC answer, whether right or wrong.

 

A suagr-coated PC answer does not incite hatred.

If it was a white man saying the same thing about black people we would be up in arms calling him a racist and bigot. Not calling him respectable because he spoke his mind.

Why is hating gays more "acceptable" in this society? It is hatred against a group of people.

We are in the year 2007. We should be way past this kind of behavior.

Edited February 15, 2007 by RibbieRubarb

[Chisoxfn]

A suagr-coated PC answer does not incite hatred.

But note that Hardaway never said the player can't be gay or that he should be killed or that people physically should abuse him. He simply said he couldn't deal with it. Yes he used harsh words but again, I take the truth over a phony lie every day of the week because it lets you know how someone actually feels.

 

But I tend to be a brutally honest person in real life and sometimes that can get me in trouble and luckily my brutally honest doesn't go into the odd point of view that Hardaway's does because I happen to not feel that way.

[kilgore2345]

But note that Hardaway never said the player can't be gay or that he should be killed or that people physically should abuse him. He simply said he couldn't deal with it. Yes he used harsh words but again, I take the truth over a phony lie every day of the week because it lets you know how someone actually feels.

 

But I tend to be a brutally honest person in real life and sometimes that can get me in trouble and luckily my brutally honest doesn't go into the odd point of view that Hardaway's does because I happen to not feel that way.

 

Growing up in quite a God-fearing Christian household, I was taught that the word hate is the equivalent to cursing someone with death and eternal damnination; that an individual has no redeeming aspects to speak of and is better off dead(for example, my mom would say, "Hitler hated the Jews, you really don't hate your brother.") Now, I know that the word "hate" is treated as such in the real world, but I would argue saying this is not meant without harsh desires, especially in this context.

[southsider2k5]

To me hate is hate. I don't care whether someone saids they hate a particular group or not, or lies about it and acts PC, to me that doesn't change the person that they are at all. They are still bigots whether it is covert or overt.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

To me hate is hate. I don't care whether someone saids they hate a particular group or not, or lies about it and acts PC, to me that doesn't change the person that they are at all. They are still bigots whether it is covert or overt.

 

I'm also baffled that people think it's ok to spew hate as long as you're being "honest."

[thedoctor]

While Hardaway has a right to his opinion, prejudice is ignorant. Hate is a pretty strong word. It will be interesting to see if he sticks with being frank, or backs off and tries to be PC. Anyway you slice it, I think he comes off as a dope.

 

he already went on television in miami last night and backed off.

[CanOfCorn]

I'm also baffled that people think it's ok to spew hate as long as you're being "honest."

 

It's not ok...but you have no right to tell him to say or not say it.

[Middle Buffalo]

If it was a white man saying the same thing about black people we would be up in arms calling him a racist and bigot. Not calling him respectable because he spoke his mind.

I hope Hardaway suffers the same way Rocker, Campanis, Jimmy the Greek, and Richards, et al.

[Dick Allen]

he already went on television in miami last night and backed off.

So for those to feel inclined to pat him on the back for at least being candid, they can't even do that anymore. I really wonder why anyone thinks displaying hatred in public like that is going to do you any good. He really must not be a very bright man.

[southsider2k5]

So for those to feel inclined to pat him on the back for at least being candid, they can't even do that anymore. I really wonder why anyone thinks displaying hatred in public like that is going to do you any good. He really must not be a very bright man.

 

^^

 

You beat me to it... Is it all right to beat up on Hardaway now?

[Chisoxfn]

He had every right to say what he did and for what he said he also has every right to take the heat for saying what he did.

 

What he said was wrong, in my opinion, but he was fully entitled to saying it and he's fully entitled to the repercussions that will come from it.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

It is wrong to you, maybe to him is it not. Who are you, I or anyone else to tell someone what is right and wrong. That's his own personal decision. Like I said, I don't agree with him, but to just tell someone they are flat out wrong for feeling a certain way, well I just don't agree with that at all. The guy is entitled to think and say what he feels, provided he is ready to deal with the ramifications, as I stated earlier.

 

So let me get this straight...he's fully entitled to have an opinion, but my opinion that he's in the wrong is unacceptable??

[RibbieRubarb]

I still can't wrap my brain around the fact that saying "I hate Gays" is more respectful than being "PC".

[BigSqwert]

I still can't wrap my brain around the fact that saying "I hate Gays" is more respectful than being "PC".

No kidding. I wonder what everyone's reaction would have been if he stated that he hates white people and didn't want them to be on his team.

[RibbieRubarb]

No kidding. I wonder what everyone's reaction would have been if he stated that he hates white people and didn't want them to be on his team.

 

There have been several threads attacking Black leaders or public figures of being racist due to the interpretation of comments they made. Never in those threads did I read anyone supporting their right to make those statements. It was pretty much..."Shut up!"

Edited February 15, 2007 by RibbieRubarb