Jamar Smith charged with felony DUI and failure to report accident

[klaus kinski]

Good-

[watchtower41]

Giddens got into numerous bar brawls. but at the moon bar in Lawrence he got in a fight and was stabbed numerous times. He transferred to New Mexico, and I believe was just suspended for the year also.

 

 

I thought Self kicked him off the team?? But mutaully agreed upon to transfer??

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Feb 20, 2007 -> 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Bye bye Jamar. I don't care if 101 and myself have to suit up for the Illini...he better not play for the Illini ever again. He has zero business. .17 two hours AFTER the accident? Are you kidding me? What a complete moron.

 

Still a few questions that need to be answered, but we knew this would be ugly.

 

When I was in jail for underage drinking earlier this year, because they didn't let me eat I was in the cell from about 3:30 AM to 9:30 PM the next day. My point being, if you aren't eating any food, you're only cooking off about a shot/beer every hour. Two hours before his BAC wasn't that much higher than it was.

 

Although more than likely he was in a complete black out which is why he decided to drive the car in the first place. Not excusing him, but just because Smith took the brunt of it all because he eff'ed up, doesn't mean that drinking, smoking pot, and driving while intoxicated isn't done regularly amongst college athletes.

[Jimbo's Drinker]

I thought Self kicked him off the team?? But mutaully agreed upon to transfer??

 

 

yes

[watchtower41]

In response to where they were going, I imagine that Jamar was driving Carlwell back to the dorms where I assume Carlwell lives as a Freshman before the blizzard hit. There is a bus to the apartment complex in Savoy, but it stops running at like 11 P.M, useful for getting into campus, but not for getting back (something the University and the city might want to address).

 

 

Ok, I have to admit that I don't know U of I campus very well, but if there was a party going on at Jamar's apartment... why would he be the one to take Brian "home"

 

 

I doubt we'll ever hear where they were going (or what to get) but there is more than enough dots that do not connect here.

[Buehrle>Wood]

I thought Self kicked him off the team?? But mutaully agreed upon to transfer??

Self basically left him no choice in the situation. Anything more said was nothing more than a PR job.

[watchtower41]

Self basically left him no choice in the situation. Anything more said was nothing more than a PR job.

 

 

Speaking of our friend JR.....seems like he is making himself right at home in New Mex.

 

 

LOl, I guess timing is everything.

 

 

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketbal...ort/NM/10009276

[Buehrle>Wood]

Speaking of our friend JR.....seems like he is making himself right at home in New Mex.

LOl, I guess timing is everything.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketbal...ort/NM/10009276

That's exactly what I mean. Mutually agreed to leave the team? Why didn't Self just come out and say it: This kid can't be controlled.

[kilgore2345]

Ok, I have to admit that I don't know U of I campus very well, but if there was a party going on at Jamar's apartment... why would he be the one to take Brian "home"

 

Perhaps Jamar was the only one with a car. I lived in Savoy, right on the U of I golf course, and the only way to really get back and forth to Savoy was your own transportation, because of Savoy making a big deal about having to pay for the buses. Unless you wanted to walk to the Airport and wait there, but even then the buses don't run in the evening.

Edited February 21, 2007 by DJ Manlove

[CanOfCorn]

If Weber has the support of the AD...and the AD has the support of the President, then I see no reason why Jamar could come back. Think of the story it would make if they gave him a chance to clean up his act and let him make the most of it. Of course it could backfire, but he's 19.

 

I would imagine all of you at 19 (if you're there yet) did something stupid. If he was in blackout at the time...it's no wonder he didn't call 911. Stupid, absolutely. But young enough to change, absolutely.

[IlliniKrush]

Sure we all did something stupid when we were 19. Most of us probably never did anything quite this stupid.

 

He can have another chance at college, and maybe even at basketball. Just not here. Playing basketball for U of I is a privilege, and he sacrificed that privilege by doing what he did. It will be shameful if he ever plays for U of I again.

[whitesoxfan101]

This is simply inexcuseable. First of all, if Jamar was the only one with a car, that's fine. Just have somebody who WASN'T DRUNK drive Brian home and come back. Savoy to campus isn't exactly a 100 mile trek, and I find it highly unlikely that EVERYBODY at the party was drunk, and Jesus even if they were, find a neighbor to drive, anything. I figured these things were common sense to anybody that has drank before.

 

And second of all, Brian could have just, you know, slept over at Jamar's place or whatever, especially since he had the easy excuse of not wanting to drive in that blizzard (and even if they thought there was class the next morning, just have somebody drive him there. Better that than drive drunk).

 

Look, kids drink before age 21, kids get drunk before 21, they sleep around, they do drugs....that is part of life. But those things are only risking hurting YOURSELF (and a consenting partner in one case, but you see my point). The moment you go out there and DRIVE is crossing the line, driving drunk is like spinning around in circles, shooting a gun, while blindfolded, hoping nobody gets hit.

 

Then, there is Jamar, who drove drunk (and probably stoned), crashed his car, left the scene, never called 911 (but did call Wayne McClain!), basically you could say left his friend to die, never reported the accident, and then went missing for TWO HOURS before showing up at the hospital and STILL being twice the legal BAC limit of somebody 21 (which he isn't). That isn't a kid making a mistake that we all do at some point, that's a danger to society. This is all of course, assuming these charges are true, and the evidence they are is pretty damning.

[Steff]

This is simply inexcuseable.

 

 

 

It's refreshing to see zero tolerance and common sense from those who's lives are similar (age range, in school or not long out, etc.)

[whitesoxfan101]

It's refreshing to see zero tolerance and common sense from those who's lives are similar (age range, in school or not long out, etc.)

 

Yeah, I am STILL pissed that Rich McBride didn't get at least a 10 game suspension earlier in the year for his DUI after he was involved in that robbery his freshman year. Look, if you want to do stupid things, keep it to yourself and don't risk hurting others (and in the case of Jamar Smith, he nearly killed somebody else).

 

I always thought that "kids doing stupid stuff" meant getting drunk and maybe trying drugs and such (although I never did the latter and didn't do the former too much), not driving afterwards.

[Steff]

Yeah, I am STILL pissed that Rich McBride didn't get at least a 10 game suspension earlier in the year for his DUI after he was involved in that robbery his freshman year. Look, if you want to do stupid things, keep it to yourself and don't risk hurting others (and in the case of Jamar Smith, he nearly killed somebody else).

 

I always thought that "kids doing stupid stuff" meant getting drunk and maybe trying drugs and such (although I never did the latter and didn't do the former too much), not driving afterwards.

 

 

 

I sure did my share of stupid stuff - though it was pretty tame having gone to college at St. Xaviar - and it NEVER involved driving or putting another life at risk.

 

Once again 101, it's nice to see you and most of the others not making BS excuses. It takes a strong person to be a leader and not a sad follower.

[fathom]

It's being reported today that Chester Frazier was the only member of the team that went out to check on Carlwell with Smith, and then went back into the apartment without doing a thing. This is one of the most bizarre stories I've ever heard, and really makes me wonder what the hell is going on behind-the-scenes with that program. I know that ever since Weber got there, he's had problems communicating with all of the players. From what I've been told all along, he just doesn't relate well with these kids.

[hitlesswonder]

Really, at this point the University Chancellor or President should just forfeit the remaining games and end the basketball season. And they should seriously consider firing Weber and his entire staff as well. You have at least 2 members of the team who left a severely injured teammate in a car and didn't call 911. You have an assistant coach who apparently didn't tell them to call 911 and didn't call himself. I really don't care about the underage drinking and drug use (as someone pointed out, that's a personal choice to do something that, although illegal, doesn't hurt anyone else). Driving while intoxicated and then leaving a severely teammate in a car in a attempt to cover up the incident(?) is inexcusable.

 

Not that my perosonal opinoin means anything, but I hope that Jamar Smith doesnt end up in jail. It's apparently a first offense(?) and as bad as it is, others in similar situations (like our Presiident, who was fortunate enough not to wrap his car around a tree in Maine) have avoided serving time. In any case, I can imagine that doing a billion hours of community service would be better for everyone than sending a 19 year-old kid to prison to ljail to ive with people have committed crimes of aggression rather than one of recklessness and cowardice.

[MHizzle85]

Really, at this point the University Chancellor or President should just forfeit the remaining games and end the basketball season. And they should seriously consider firing Weber and his entire staff as well. You have at least 2 members of the team who left a severely injured teammate in a car and didn't call 911. You have an assistant coach who apparently didn't tell them to call 911 and didn't call himself. I really don't care about the underage drinking and drug use (as someone pointed out, that's a personal choice to do something that, although illegal, doesn't hurt anyone else). Driving while intoxicated and then leaving a severely teammate in a car in a attempt to cover up the incident(?) is inexcusable.

 

Not that my perosonal opinoin means anything, but I hope that Jamar Smith doesnt end up in jail. It's apparently a first offense(?) and as bad as it is, others in similar situations (like our Presiident, who was fortunate enough not to wrap his car around a tree in Maine) have avoided serving time. In any case, I can imagine that doing a billion hours of community service would be better for everyone than sending a 19 year-old kid to prison to ljail to ive with people have committed crimes of aggression rather than one of recklessness and cowardice.

 

He deserves a pretty harsh punishment, I dont care how drunk you are...why the hell are you leaving a teammate, better yet a friend unconcious in a car. Same with Chester, how does he nor McClain call 911...or how does Chester not help Brian...With teammates like these, who needs enemies?

[GoodAsGould]

He deserves a pretty harsh punishment, I dont care how drunk you are...why the hell are you leaving a teammate, better yet a friend unconcious in a car. Same with Chester, how does he nor McClain call 911...or how does Chester not help Brian...With teammates like these, who needs enemies?

 

In Jamar's case he atleast had the concussion excuse, which really messes up the way you think temporarily, I have no clue why Frazier wouldnt have the cops called. So under Webber now is this the 3rd or 4th player that is having legal problems..... might be time to find a new coach.

 

Was Luther Heads problems when Webber or Self was there?

[IlliniKrush]

If Jamar is sober, concussion or not, he doesn't drive that car home. I'm not giving him any excuse on that whatsoever, especially if he actually thought Brian was dead or seriously, seriously injured. He had something to hide, so he got the hell out of there instead of calling the cops. It's simple.

 

Also, throwing this on Weber is pretty poor. Does Jamar do everything the same if someone else is coach? I don't see how you could say it would have made a difference. People are trying to connect dots that aren't there. He doesn't purposely recruit bad character players or not tell his players to make good decisions.

Edited February 21, 2007 by IlliniKrush

[GoodAsGould]

You have to be able to control your players.... and from the looks of it Weber hasnt been able to do that. And wasnt it Fathom or someone else who actually knew Dee Brown and supposedly the players dont even care much for Webber either. Top that off he cant recruit worth a damn either......

 

 

Regardless of what happens with Smith, this is a negative on Weber as well.

[illinilaw08]

It's being reported today that Chester Frazier was the only member of the team that went out to check on Carlwell with Smith, and then went back into the apartment without doing a thing. This is one of the most bizarre stories I've ever heard, and really makes me wonder what the hell is going on behind-the-scenes with that program. I know that ever since Weber got there, he's had problems communicating with all of the players. From what I've been told all along, he just doesn't relate well with these kids.

 

I haven't seen that reported anywhere, and it hasn't been mentioned on the Illiniboard yet, but Fathom usually has good sources. Is there a link to this information?

[IlliniKrush]

You have to be able to control your players.... and from the looks of it Weber hasnt been able to do that. And wasnt it Fathom or someone else who actually knew Dee Brown and supposedly the players dont even care much for Webber either. Top that off he cant recruit worth a damn either......

Regardless of what happens with Smith, this is a negative on Weber as well.

Should he watch over them 24/7 or something? They are college kids, and Jamar made a big mistake. Don't try to play this off any other way than Jamar just made some terrible choicies. Another coach, same story.

 

And oh btw, if you want to talk about Luther Head and communication, at least mention how Weber helped him turn his life around, and now he's in the NBA.

Edited February 21, 2007 by IlliniKrush

[RockRaines]

When I was in jail for underage drinking earlier this year, because they didn't let me eat I was in the cell from about 3:30 AM to 9:30 PM the next day. My point being, if you aren't eating any food, you're only cooking off about a shot/beer every hour. Two hours before his BAC wasn't that much higher than it was.

 

Although more than likely he was in a complete black out which is why he decided to drive the car in the first place. Not excusing him, but just because Smith took the brunt of it all because he eff'ed up, doesn't mean that drinking, smoking pot, and driving while intoxicated isn't done regularly amongst college athletes.

They didnt give you any food in the drunk tank? FWIW in the drunk tank in Key West they give you a pancake breakfast.

[fathom]

I haven't seen that reported anywhere, and it hasn't been mentioned on the Illiniboard yet, but Fathom usually has good sources. Is there a link to this information?

 

Greg Couch's article in the ST today.