The Ginger Kid Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Feb 26, 2007 -> 03:37 PM) Gavin Floyd is older than McCarthy and gave up homers at a higher pace than McCarthy did last year. Kenny Williams has zero interest in Floyd's sister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 08:23 AM) Kenny Williams has zero interest in Floyd's sister What's this all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Fathom jokingly mentioned it, but does anyone believe that Cooper speeding up Floyd's tempo may have led him to twist his ankle? I don't know for sure, obviously, but if it is that's something Floyd better work around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 12:26 AM) What's this all about? taking a shot at a malicious rumor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 02:23 AM) Kenny Williams has zero interest in Floyd's sister Um, like, what the hell does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 KW was supposedly into McCarthy's sister or girlfriend, and McCarthy was pissed about it. That's why he was traded. It's completely preposterous, and thank you Ginger for taking a shot at such a stupid rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 03:12 AM) KW was supposedly into McCarthy's sister or girlfriend, and McCarthy was pissed about it. That's why he was traded. It's completely preposterous, and thank you Ginger for taking a shot at such a stupid rumor. I completely forgot about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 26, 2007 -> 05:34 PM) Or someone can just be making a general comment about a pitcher after some of the recent things being said about him in the press. It would be amazing if Floyd can be a better than average 5th starter. However, I don't think he has a great chance of succeeding if he starts off in the majors right away. If he is trying to become a sinker pitcher, then I would like to see him master it in the majors before throwing him right into the fire. The best news to come out of today is that Uribe is back and playing. Hopefully that situation is in the past. Here's a question I have: why are the Sox so scared to give Fields the chance to win the LF position? With Crede in the plans for this year, and with other players who could fill in at 3rd base if needed, why not see if Fields can adapt quickly to the position? Let's see you don't want a pitcher in the majors who hasn't proved anything however you want a hitter who isn't proven in the majors to play a position he has never played before in professional baseball? You must rank defense lower than you do speed on the hierarchy of baseball skills. I know you really dislike Floyd but to start a guy in a position he hasn't played before and expect anything good is just silly. Remeber the early years of Lee in LF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(ptatc @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 09:38 AM) Let's see you don't want a pitcher in the majors who hasn't proved anything however you want a hitter who isn't proven in the majors to play a position he has never played before in professional baseball? You must rank defense lower than you do speed on the hierarchy of baseball skills. I know you really dislike Floyd but to start a guy in a position he hasn't played before and expect anything good is just silly. Remeber the early years of Lee in LF? Fields is a good athlete, and compared to what Pods offers defensively in LF, I would gladly like to see Fields get a chance to prove he can play out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 03:57 AM) Fields is a good athlete, and compared to what Pods offers defensively in LF, I would gladly like to see Fields get a chance to prove he can play out there. Why not give Fields more time to blossom (offensively and defensively in LF) at AAA though? How do we know his year last year wasn't a fluke? I mean, it was his first REALLY good offensive year in his minor league career (and afaik, he's never played LF regularly), and I'd rather give him the time he needs to prove he's ready for the majors as opposed to rushing him and potentially screwing him up mentally. Edited February 27, 2007 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(Felix @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 03:02 AM) Why not give Fields more time to blossom (offensively and defensively in LF) at AAA though? How do we know his year last year wasn't a fluke? I mean, it was his first REALLY good offensive year in his minor league career (and afaik, he's never played LF regularly), and I'd rather give him the time he needs to prove he's ready for the majors as opposed to rushing him and potentially screwing him up mentally. That's why I suggested we give him the chance right now to win the spot, instead of just hoping that Pods comes back from his injury. We all know that Pods is a very below average player if he's not 100 pct, and it's questionable how healthy he'll be during the first few months of the season. I don't care how crappy the coaching was during Winter Ball....it's inexcusable that Fields didn't get more playing time in the outfield this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effectivelywild Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Hey, while I'm all for following spring training in the hopes of getting a feel for how a player will look in the upcoming season, aren't we jumping the gun just a tad here? Fields went 2 for 2---let's move him to a new position and make him the starter! Floyd walked a guy and gave up a double before twisting his ankle---dump the bum, he'll never be anything! Ok, so as ST goes on, I can understand trying to make some observations about how a player looks. But this is just an intra-squad game, for chrissakes. That being said, hey, if people that are actually there at ST want to chime in, I'd love to hear it. I'd prefer some personal observations (Player X's bat looks a little slow, Player Y has a nice breaking ball) over some overanalysis of some player's stat line for one game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(effectivelywild @ Feb 26, 2007 -> 09:11 PM) Floyd walked a guy and gave up a double before twisting his ankle---dump the bum, he'll never be anything! A better example could have been used here, since a lot of people think this about Floyd already, regardless of his performance/injury I do agree though on jumping the gun, but what do you expect? Baseball's back, I can understand people's joy Edited February 27, 2007 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(effectivelywild @ Feb 26, 2007 -> 09:11 PM) Hey, while I'm all for following spring training in the hopes of getting a feel for how a player will look in the upcoming season, aren't we jumping the gun just a tad here? Fields went 2 for 2---let's move him to a new position and make him the starter! Floyd walked a guy and gave up a double before twisting his ankle---dump the bum, he'll never be anything! Ok, so as ST goes on, I can understand trying to make some observations about how a player looks. But this is just an intra-squad game, for chrissakes. That being said, hey, if people that are actually there at ST want to chime in, I'd love to hear it. I'd prefer some personal observations (Player X's bat looks a little slow, Player Y has a nice breaking ball) over some overanalysis of some player's stat line for one game. You act like this is the first time either thing has been suggested. The intrasquad game really has nothing to do with any of the talk in this thread, these same ideas (Fields to start in LF, Floyd blows) have been kicked around for quite a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I don't know why Santo=dorf didn't post anything about it here, but Baseball Prospectus released their projected standings for 2007: Yankees 93-69 Red Sox 93-69 Blue Jays 80-82 Devil Rays 77-85 Orioles 74-88 Twins 91-71 Indians 89-73 Tigers 85-77 White Sox 72-90 Royals 67-95 Angels 87-75 Athletics 81-81 Rangers 80-82 Mariners 73-89 NL East Philadelphia 87-75 New York 85-77 Atlanta 81-81 Florida 79-83 Washington 66-96 Central Chicago 85-77 Milwaukee 84-78 St.Louis 81-81 Houston 79-83 Pittsburgh 77-85 Cincinnati 71-91 West Arizona 88-74 San Diego 86-76 Los Angeles 80-82 Colorado 80-82 San Francisco 78-84 Doesn't have much to do with this thread, but might as well stick it here since most members are viewing this topic. Looks like we're expected to post the fourth worst record in the majors next season. OMG, we'll finally get a Top 10 pick in the amateur draft according to BP!!!!11 Although we all know once the Sox get a Top 5 pick, whenever that day arrives, the draft will be universally panned as one of the worst in recent memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I'd like to buy some smack from whoever came up with that projection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Those standings = hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Feb 26, 2007 -> 09:24 PM) I'd like to buy some smack from whoever came up with that projection. I'm not confident about our chances of reaches the playoffs, but suggesting we're the second worst team in the American league -- even behind Seattle and Baltimore -- is a little bit ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 If we're going to be anywhere near as bad as this projection believes, I hope we struggle early, which will force KW to get something in return for Buehrle at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Nice. Looks like we are going to have our worst team in 12 years. Do they project most of our lineup to DIE in PECOTA? Are we going to have to play with only 7 people in the lineup (though at times it seemed like we did last year - zing!). I mean seriously. Half our team would have to get hurt in order for that to happen. We had an awful 8-9-1 for most of the year and still scored 850+ runs (can't remember how far over we were. I'm almost certain we were over though). Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 26, 2007 -> 09:38 PM) If we're going to be anywhere near as bad as this projection believes, I hope we struggle early, which will force KW to get something in return for Buehrle at the deadline. I know this won't surprise many people, but I agree with you. I believe the worst possible position we can be in around the ASB is ~10 games back of the division and ~7 behind the wild card. You figure at such a point, several starters and perhaps positional players are struggling. The argument will be, for keeping the team entact, "they can always rebound, as past seasons have proven (cite numbers);" or "here's another white flag trade!" If they're obviously mediocre in the 1st half, and all we have is optimism, then we're better off trading Buehrle. If we can't get a good deal in return (which I question with Williams), then merely keep him and receive the draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Those standings don't seem that bad, except for the Sox. They probably did all their predictions, then had to make the numbers add up and gave the Sox the remaining Wins and Losses. If they do a white flag sale, I wonder if they will move Crede or one of the others in their last year (Dye / Gooch). They just need to hang on to the table-setter because he will definitely rebound. Edited February 27, 2007 by RME JICO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 wow, a 90 win team to a 90 loss team because of the loss of one starting pitcher. what the f*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 26, 2007 -> 08:12 PM) KW was supposedly into McCarthy's sister or girlfriend, and McCarthy was pissed about it. That's why he was traded. It's completely preposterous, and thank you Ginger for taking a shot at such a stupid rumor. It probably is a preposterous rumor, but McCarthy's recent comments on his relationship with KW did sort of imply that this rumor could actually be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Feb 26, 2007 -> 10:14 PM) It probably is a preposterous rumor, but McCarthy's recent comments on his relationship with KW did sort of imply that this rumor could actually be true. It did? I've known about this rumor before, and after reading the Sun-Times article by Chris DeLuca (which you're probably referencing) I didnt' come away with anything. If it were true, it would have been leaked by now. Whether by an anonymous source within the White Sox or Texas Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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