StatManDu Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 The Hall announced today the Veterans Committee did not vote anyone into the Hall. Ex-Sox Ron Santo (69.5%) and Jim Kaat came the closest among the players. The veterans are serious about who gets in and who doesn't. http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2007/07027b.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I would think that someone from the Veterans list should have gotten in. They sure must be getting fussy about who is elected to the HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro1983hat Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Another 2 years of hearing Santo whine and beg........ Maybe if he helped his team make the playoffs ONCE with 2 other HOFers on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 01:35 PM) Another 2 years of hearing Santo whine and beg........ Maybe if he helped his team make the playoffs ONCE with 2 other HOFers on the roster. Am I mistaken, or is it three other HOFers? Jenkins, Williams and Banks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(Beltin @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 01:52 PM) Am I mistaken, or is it three other HOFers? Jenkins, Williams and Banks? That's what I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(Beltin @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 01:52 PM) Am I mistaken, or is it three other HOFers? Jenkins, Williams and Banks? You are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 02:33 PM) OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEEEEEEEEEE DROPPED THE BALLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 This sounds bad, but Santo won't get in until hes dead. just my thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(Jimbo @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 08:17 PM) This sounds bad, but Santo won't get in until hes dead. just my thought It's so hard for me to resist Santo jokes right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 The HOF is such a joke, if you didnt play in New York or win multiple World Series it is getting tougher to get in all the time. You have writers who wont put people in because they didnt like a player or he didnt win enough, and players wont put other players in because they judge players against themselves and always decide they are better so they wont vote for new guys to get in. The HOF voting system is broken and needs to be fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 02:19 PM) It's so hard for me to resist Santo jokes right now. Please dont resist the urge. QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 03:31 PM) The HOF is such a joke, if you didnt play in New York or win multiple World Series it is getting tougher to get in all the time. You have writers who wont put people in because they didnt like a player or he didnt win enough, and players wont put other players in because they judge players against themselves and always decide they are better so they wont vote for new guys to get in. The HOF voting system is broken and needs to be fixed. Do his numbers really scream out that the system is flawed? I mean, its not like he was a ridiculous player and its a catastrophe that he didnt make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 He's not half as qualified as he used to be. But I am stumped as to why they denied him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(knightni @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 03:39 PM) He's not half as qualified as he used to be. But I am stumped as to why they denied him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 03:31 PM) The HOF is such a joke, if you didnt play in New York or win multiple World Series it is getting tougher to get in all the time. You have writers who wont put people in because they didnt like a player or he didnt win enough, and players wont put other players in because they judge players against themselves and always decide they are better so they wont vote for new guys to get in. The HOF voting system is broken and needs to be fixed. Does anyone have a breakdown on the number of players from each team in the HOF? I think the Cubs have significant representation. Obviously, so do the NYY, but they also have 27 titles and thirtysome pennants. There is a good chance that they are going to have major representation. Typically, great players worthy of the HOF are frequently playing on the bigger stages of the game. However, there are also plenty of players that had minimal big stage success but still made the Hall. Yount, Ripken, Gwynn and Schmidt were all in the series but for the most part their individual success is what got them in the Hall. There are a lot of people you need to blame for Santo's lack of election thus far but my guess is he was not deemed worthy by the writers because he was just not worthy. I commend the veterans committee for keeping the Hall an elite institution as much as possible. What is unfortunate is the constant barrage and lobbying by Santo and his supporters has pushed his vote total up every year. Odds are he will get in two years from now more due to sympathy and pressure versus actual merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Spencer Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE(knightni @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 03:39 PM) He's not half as qualified as he used to be. But I am stumped as to why they denied him. He wasn't voted in by the writers and he wasn't voted in by the vets. He dosen't belong in the Hall. He just didn't have the numbers. If he wants to whine for the next 2 seasons, Oh well. He just dosen't have a leg to stand on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimne piwo Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 QUOTE(Jim Spencer @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 04:50 PM) He wasn't voted in by the writers and he wasn't voted in by the vets. He dosen't belong in the Hall. He just didn't have the numbers. If he wants to whine for the next 2 seasons, Oh well. He just dosen't have a leg to stand on Ba-da-boom, Tishhhhhhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I just think its such a joke that Negro league players almost get free passes in while never facing day in day out major league players while great veteran players have to endure this process. Its Grandstanding at its best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBatterz Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 If the Veteran's Committee really wanted to become transparent, they would release the votes of every member. It would be interesting to pinpoint who they voted for and did not vote for and then had them explain their rationale. I am not saying either way that they got it right or wrong, would just like to see the process opened more and subject to analysis. They seem like cowards now by not releasing their votes individually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Perhaps one of my tech savy friends here could draw up a chart with line graph. In proportion the more votes Santo gets, the less games the Cubs win in the following seasons. I am hoping for a 45 win season for the cubs this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Santo not a HOF, but Blyleven is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Feb 28, 2007 -> 09:41 AM) I just think its such a joke that Negro league players almost get free passes in while never facing day in day out major league players while great veteran players have to endure this process. Its Grandstanding at its best. What is an even bigger joke is all the players in the major leagues that got a free pass despite never facing the superstars of the Negro leagues. Imagine how sick some of those HOF players would have looked if they had to face Satchel Paige in his prime rather than when he was pitching in his 50s and still pretty darn effective. Josh Gibson would have made Babe Ruth a footnote in the record books, too. My understanding is the Negro Leagues dominated MLB in an All-Star game or two and the talent and overall level of entertainment was so great that those games consistently outdrew a lot of major league franchises. The Negro Leagues were major leagues with major league players. Don't forget to use green next time lest you look like a major league ignoramous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 I rather have it really hard to get into than have it like the rock n roll hall of fame or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 QUOTE(Beltin @ Feb 28, 2007 -> 09:58 PM) What is an even bigger joke is all the players in the major leagues that got a free pass despite never facing the superstars of the Negro leagues. Imagine how sick some of those HOF players would have looked if they had to face Satchel Paige in his prime rather than when he was pitching in his 50s and still pretty darn effective. Josh Gibson would have made Babe Ruth a footnote in the record books, too. My understanding is the Negro Leagues dominated MLB in an All-Star game or two and the talent and overall level of entertainment was so great that those games consistently outdrew a lot of major league franchises. The Negro Leagues were major leagues with major league players. Don't forget to use green next time lest you look like a major league ignoramous. There's no way anyone can conclusively say what would have happened over the course of a full season of competition if the Negro league players had been allowed in MLB. Surely, there were Negro leaguers who would have excelled, but there are just as many who would have failed to live up to their billing. Just use Triple A can't miss prospects as an example of how wrong scouts can be when the players move up to the next level. All Star games are just that. All Star games. The Negro league All Stars likely would have done well in MLB, but every player in the Negro leagues was NOT Paige or Gibson. They had their fair share of roster filler, and I'm sure that some of the numbers that the All Star Negro league players accrued came at the expense of these lesser players. That said, I think Negro league players do have a place in the HOF, but I don't think it's right to say that any player would have dominated the MLB players because we just won't ever really know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 (edited) No votes for Donn Pall or Don Wakamatsu or Ron Karkovice...this crap is tainted i say. Edited March 1, 2007 by Jimbo's Drinker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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