Your Final Four......

[IlliniKrush]

I have some inside information you guys don't have. I'll take my final four as

 

UNC

Pitt

Louisville

Marist

Edited March 1, 2007 by IlliniKrush

[Rowand44]

I have some inside information you guys don't have. I'll take my final four as

 

UNC

Pitt

Louisville

Marist

I agree. Pitt and Marist in the finals with Pitt winning. Should be one hell of a final four.

[Rex Hudler]

Go Foxes!!

[Rowand44]

Go Foxes!!

They lost . For the hell of it, I took Lunardi's bracket and entered it into College Hoops 2k7 and simmed it all the way through. Marist was so close, just not close enough. So sad.

[chisoxfan79]

Tennesse

Marquette

FloridA

Washington St

[He_Gawn]

I have some inside information you guys don't have. I'll take my final four as

 

UNC

Pitt

Louisville

Marist

 

I was just wondering, how solid is Marist?

[Kyyle23]

well except Saturday when Mr. Durant step one foot in the PHOG!!!!

 

Pay heed to all who enter,beware of the phog.

 

 

I will be at the greatest college basketball arean in the world..the home of manning, lovelette, pierce, hinrich, white, collison ,gooden, chamberlin, CHRISTIAN MOODY, and the future 2007 champions.

 

Pay heed to all who enter, beware of the phog.

 

I cant wait, i love afternoon games, when the sun beams from teh ceiling onto the court. What a senior night it will be, check that we have no seniors.

 

 

echo echo echo

 

Jimbo, contain it to the College Basketball thread, this has to do with picking your final 4, not your weekly Kansas by-line

[Jimbo's Drinker]

haha i was having a moment

[thedoctor]

haha i was having a moment

 

as long as you keep your hands visible we're good.

[Jimbo's Drinker]

as long as you keep your hands visible we're good.

 

 

hands up baby hands up give me your heart...god damn another moment.

[Palehosefan]

Ohio State, Texas A&M, Kansas, UCLA

[Soxbadger]

Three teams I feel the most confident about:

 

OSU, Wisconsin, Florida.

 

The last team I think is a real toss up and dependent on a lot of factors. Well they are all a toss up and dependent on a lot of factors, but the teams that I already listed I believe on 80%+ of the nights will beat teams that they are supposed to beat. That is what seperates them from the other schools, is that in the first few rounds they are least likely to suffer a let down. Now once it gets to the Elite 8, its a whole different animal as the difference in talent is marginal. But the 3 teams I have listed all have either A) beat the best team in their own conference, B. beat the best team in another power conference, c) have only lost to top 5 teams.

 

The 4th selection I guess Ill begrudgingly go with UCLA over UNC. Im gonna go with defense on this one and I think that UNC's youth and run and gun style may lead to them losing.

 

So my 4 as of now are:

 

Wisconsin, OSU, UCLA, Florida.

 

I know Florida hasnt looked great lately, but none of these games have really counted for them. If anything these losses are going to make them more focused and less prone to a letdown in the tourney.

 

I like OSU and Wisconsin because I believe that they have really played tough opponents and shown that the only time they are going to lose is away to a tough opponent. Between the both of them only 1 time have they been blown out (OSU at Florida). The biggest concern I would have with these 2 teams is how the tourney is going to be called. If its Big 10 style, OSU and Wisconsin are going to out physical about 90% of the teams. If they are calling it really tight, Wisconsin and OSU may get some foul trouble.

 

Thats odd to say about Wisconsin who has not had a player foul out this entire year, but Big 10 play is just so drastically different than almost every other conference. The amount of contact is staggering, and with Butch down that is 1 less center to have 5 fouls.

Edited March 1, 2007 by Soxbadger

[watchtower41]

Three teams I feel the most confident about:

 

OSU, Wisconsin, Florida.

 

 

 

you are aware that 2 of your "most confident" teams have lost 5 out of their last 6 combined??

[Soxbadger]

And that means...

 

Many people picked A&M who lost last night at Texas.

 

Wisconsin's last 2 losses were to: MSU and OSU. MSU beat Texas. OSU is the #1 team in the nation. Even if Wisconsin beat OSU, your statement would still remain the same as when Wisconsin played OSU, some one had to lose.

 

OSU hasnt lost since they played in Madison.

 

Florida, a team playing for nothing at this point, who went through the exact same stretch of poor play last year right before the tournament. The reason that these losses do not impact me as much as they would for another team, is that Florida has already proven itself. Its much harder for Florida to get up for a game against Tenn or Vanderbilt, than it is for the Tenn or Vanderbilt to get up for Florida. Beating Florida is their season, where as if Florida wins those games no one basically cares.

 

Not to mention they were down 20+ and almost had the ability to come back on the road. Now in the tournament they are going to be playing at neutral/ sites that are close to Florida.

 

Florida has 0 losses at home.

 

OSU has 0 losses at home.

 

Wisconsin has 0 losses at home.

 

UCLA has 0 losses at home.

 

Even if UCLA loses at WSU this week, why it would it really effect anything?

 

Almost no team goes through the entire conference schedule and does not lose more than 1 road game. Right now OSU is there, but they still have to play Michigan which could be a real trap game for them (another team playing for nothing versus a team who's season will be made by this game.)

 

Are you aware that the teams you are questioning, prior to the last 6 games, had only lost 2 games the entire season.

 

So if the schedule was different and Wisconsin perhaps played @MSU and @ OSU earlier in the season, and the last 2 games had been Illinois, Iowa, etc. Would that all of a sudden mean that they were a better team just because they most recently had a better record?

 

No

 

They dont make the schedules, and the reality is that unless your in a powder puff conference like the Big 12, you are not going to get many free passes.

Edited March 1, 2007 by Soxbadger

[watchtower41]

First off, many people didnt pick A&M last night because Texas was favored.

 

You can be confident in whatever teams you choose, I really don't need home records to validate your reasoning. I just thought it was odd that your most confident teams are amongest the biggest slumps amongest the elite. I could careless how many losses these teams had before conference started or if the schedule had Michigan State game earlier. I find it hard that Florida couldnt "get up" for Tennessee when the sole reason why Noah came back was because "I want to beat Tennessee twice." Easier said than done though, because with your logic, Tennessee would also be a final four team, having the all important 0 losses at home this year.

[Soxbadger]

No I just pointed that what seperates teams in my opinion is their ability to win games that they are supposed to win.

 

Florida, Wisconsin, OSU, UCLA have all shown that ability.

 

KU, A&M, not so much.

 

I know your a big 12 guy so Ill take your comments with a grain of salt.

 

You say "slump" when its really hard to say that Wisconsin is in a slump. They lost 2 games, 1 of them to the best team in the nation right now, and the other to one of the most talented young teams in the nation who have a player just starting to get healthy in Raymar Morgan.

 

Slumping would be losing to a team like Colgate, or some outrageous loss that should never happen. Losing away to tournament teams really shouldnt be a "slump." Especially as OSU had the #2 class last year and MSU #17 so they are of course going to be playing better at the end of the year as compared to the beginning.

 

And im not sure how you say "by my logic" with Tennessee. I just pointed out that the 4 teams I chose all have won games that they are supposed to win. That even their losses are not bad losses.

 

Thats a direct to comparison to KU and why even though they may have top 4 talent, I would not pick them to go to the final 4.

Edited March 1, 2007 by Soxbadger

[watchtower41]

No I just pointed that what seperates teams in my opinion is their ability to win games that they are supposed to win.

 

Florida, Wisconsin, OSU, UCLA have all shown that ability.

 

KU, A&M, not so much.

 

I know your a big 12 guy so Ill take your comments with a grain of salt.

 

You say "slump" when its really hard to say that Wisconsin is in a slump. They lost 2 games, 1 of them to the best team in the nation right now, and the other to one of the most talented young teams in the nation who have a player just starting to get healthy in Raymar Morgan.

 

Slumping would be losing to a team like Colgate, or some outrageous loss that should never happen. Losing away to tournament teams really shouldnt be a "slump." Especially as OSU had the #2 class last year and MSU #17 so they are of course going to be playing better at the end of the year as compared to the beginning.

 

And im not sure how you say "by my logic" with Tennessee. I just pointed out that the 4 teams I chose all have won games that they are supposed to win. That even their losses are not bad losses.

 

Thats a direct to comparison to KU and why even though they may have top 4 talent, I would not pick them to go to the final 4.

 

 

So because I'm a Kansas fan, appearantly that makes me a "big 12 blowjob guy" whatever the hell that means?? I'd love for you to show me where I was making the Big XII out to be something more than it is this year. I could give 2 s***s if you pick Kansas or not....the moment somebody questions the Badgers though, all of sudden you turn into the Billy Packer of the Big Ten.

[Jimbo's Drinker]

You both are very bias...as are most fans of their conferences.

 

no way wiscy and ohio state make final four...

 

maybe ohio state, but wiscy is very unimpressive and soft.

Edited March 1, 2007 by Jimbo's Drinker

[Soxbadger]

Yeah Wiscy is unimpressive thats why the manhandled Pitt who many have going to the FF4. Thats why even after losing their top C at OSU they came within making 2 FT's of winning that game and being the unanimous 1.

 

I really dont understand how you can say Wisconsin is unimpressive.

 

How many teams have more quality wins?

 

And I dont see how Im being "the billy packer of the big 10" when all Im doing is putting 2 teams that have been rated in the top 5 for the last couple of months into the final 4.

 

Thats not really a stretch at all.

 

I mean its one thing to say a team is not going to the Final 4, its another to say that a team is "unimpressive" when they have the following resume:

 

Against the Current Top 25:

 

Wisconsin: 3-1 (Wins against OSU, Pitt, Marquette. Losses: OSU)

 

OSU: 1-3 (Wins agaisnt Wisconsin, Losses: Wisconsin, Florida, UNC)

 

KU: 1-1 (Wins against Floida, Losses: A&M)

 

Florida: 1-1 (Wins against OSU, Losses: KU)

 

Hmm yeah Wisconsin has been unimpressive.

 

Care to make any statements regarding your claim of why Wisconsin has been unimpressive this season?

 

Is it the fact their only losses have come to all tourney teams on the road or at neutral site?

 

And the funniest part, Wisconsin is "soft".

 

Care to explain that one? Seeing as "soft" is usually for a team with no defense, not very good at rebounding, lacks size, which are basically the exact opposite of Wisconsin.

 

Atleast when I talk about your team or other Big 12 teams, I actually talk about what has transpired in the season. I dont just make things up like: "Oh Kansas is soft".

[Jimbo's Drinker]

Wisconsin is a finesse team that relies heavily on outside shooting and getting to the free throw line. If you ran into a team that bangs on the inside and is rough, you lose.

 

Wisconsin is soft.

[Soxbadger]

ROFLMAO

 

Wisconsin is a finesse team that relies heavily on outside shooting

 

This is exactly the opposite of the way the Badgers play.

 

They run the "Flex offense" which means that they post every single player.

 

They get to the line because 95% of all their offensive possessions are drives or post up shots.

 

Dude Im gonna ask you an honest question:

 

have you watched the badgers play outside of the OSU game?

[Jimbo's Drinker]

I am worried about 2+ teams in the nation

 

Ohio State, UCLA and anyone who starts with B.

[Soxbadger]

Jimbo,

 

just so you know here are the stats on 3-point shooting, my question is this:

 

IF Wisconsin relies on 3-point shooting why are they at the bottom of the big 10 for 3 point shots attempted, but at the top for 2 pointers?

 

Only MSU and Michigan shot less 3 pointers.

 

In comparison, Wisconsin has shot the 3 most fg's in the Big 10.

 

That means they shoot a lot more 2's compared to everyone else.

Edited March 1, 2007 by Soxbadger

[CWSGuy406]

Wisconsin is a finesse team that relies heavily on outside shooting and getting to the free throw line. If you ran into a team that bangs on the inside and is rough, you lose.

 

Wisconsin is soft.

 

Heh. I take it you don't watch basketball.

 

That, or your blue shaded glasses are turning you into an idiot.

[Jimbo's Drinker]

ROFLMAO

This is exactly the opposite of the way the Badgers play.

 

They run the "Flex offense" which means that they post every single player.

 

They get to the line because 95% of all their offensive possessions are drives or post up shots.

 

Dude Im gonna ask you an honest question:

 

have you watched the badgers play outside of the OSU game?

 

Plenty and i see alot of standing around and watching Tucker also.