Official ST Game Thread Sox vs Cubs, 3/4/07

[mcsmokerson]

I like how the plays (or maybe it was player) of the game was soriano getting 3 hits, man i only watched about 2 innings and decided i would rather go back to work than listen to those guys

 

ha yea, no kidding

[Rowand44]

Anyone got a recap? Just got home from St. Louis a few hours ago so I really haven't been able to keep up with ST stuff this weekend.

[Reddy]

Anyone got a recap? Just got home from St. Louis a few hours ago so I really haven't been able to keep up with ST stuff this weekend.

there are box scores on the white sox site, but pauly 2 homers, dye, mack and molina homered as well. Haeger gave up 2 runs but one of the runs came off a double that mack should've caught. otherwise scoreless from the others: Garland, Danks, Gio, Aardsma, Sisco.

[Rowand44]

there are box scores on the white sox site, but pauly 2 homers, dye, mack and molina homered as well. Haeger gave up 2 runs but one of the runs came off a double that mack should've caught. otherwise scoreless from the others: Garland, Danks, Gio, Aardsma, Sisco.

Ya, I know that. I'm more interested in how the young pitchers looked. Thanks for the info.

Edited March 5, 2007 by Rowand44

[Gene Honda Civic]

Anyone got a recap? Just got home from St. Louis a few hours ago so I really haven't been able to keep up with ST stuff this weekend.

http://www.southsidesox.com/story/2007/3/4/213649/1536

[SoxAce]

http://www.southsidesox.com/story/2007/3/4/213649/1536

 

I Cheat.

[zimne piwo]

Hey if you're really in the mood for some pure comedy gold, check out today's game thread over at northsidebaseball.com. The Cubbie Blue faithful are nothing short of hysterical over there, and yes they're actually referring to Soriano as "FONZIE"!!!!!

 

Have fun lurking over there, and be sure to say hello to Potsie and Ralph Malph for me!

Edited March 5, 2007 by zimne piwo

[klaus kinski]

Gio is going to be amazing

[Flash Tizzle]

Gio is going to be amazing

I'm not that confident about Gonzalez. He still needs to develop control. Pitchers were all over the zone. I don't believe he threw one curveball for a strike.

 

Danks looked much more polished. Although it still worries me his fastball didn't appear to fool major league hitters facing him for the first time.

Edited March 5, 2007 by Flash Tizzle

[southsideirish71]

I'm not that confident about Gonzalez. He still needs to develop control. Pitchers were all over the zone. I don't believe he threw one curveball for a strike.

 

Danks looked much more polished. Although it still worries me his fastball didn't appear to fool major league hitters facing him for the first time.

 

He should find Buerhle and shadow him. Learning the cutter, and the sinker would help Danks alot. The cutter is a great equalizer for a left handed non-power pitcher. You can pound a righty in, and in and in and then snap off that hook and drive them crazy.

 

Every young sox pitcher should learn the two-seam fastball based on our park.

[Reddy]

I'm not that confident about Gonzalez. He still needs to develop control. Pitchers were all over the zone. I don't believe he threw one curveball for a strike.

 

Danks looked much more polished. Although it still worries me his fastball didn't appear to fool major league hitters facing him for the first time.

yeah i agree i like Danks much more. Gio was showing potential but i think another year or 2 in the minors would benefit him a ton. Danks could probably hit the show when the club moves north but i think he'll be more likely to come up if Haeger/Floyd blow it.

[santo=dorf]

Not surprise to see TAPOS Rich Hill make our Minor leaguers (including Anderson) look bad and get taken deep my our major league guys. Maybe those losers northsidebaseball will let go of TAPOS' jock for one second and show Ozzie a little more respect.

[southsideirish71]

Not surprise to see TAPOS Rich Hill make our Minor leaguers (including Anderson) look bad and get taken deep my our major league guys. Maybe those losers northsidebaseball will let go of TAPOS' jock for one second and show Ozzie a little more respect.

 

I took a look at the thread over there, they are insane. They make comments about how it was their scrubs giving it up, however they forget that they basically had their starting lineup in for the most part and we had a B lineup going for the most part. After watching Soriano today, he is what I expect he hits well but man he has no clue on how to break on a fly. He is going to make Rob Mack look like a gold glover out there.

[SoxFan1]

Konerko is obviously juicing...I see no other explanation.

 

There are going to be some hairy moments in CF with Sori, it appears.

 

*sigh*

 

Bring in the bulldozers and graze this stadium to the ground. We ain't going anywhere!

 

Well... I just hope they play better when the season starts.

 

I switched over to the Duke-UNC game.

 

It's mostly the minor leaguers who are struggling here.

 

Hope so, but last time I checked, Ohman isn't a minor leaguer.

 

Yeah, but our catchers win fistfights. Theirs cheat on their wives and are liked by less than 10% of major leaguers.

 

13-2 is an embarrassment no matter what time of year it is

 

Lou started slumping with regret back around the 6th inning or so. Poor bastard really didn't realize what he was getting into.

Edited March 5, 2007 by SoxFan1

[ShoeLessRob]

^^ Wow, I can't even put into words what I want to say.

[DrunkBomber]

Man, I lurked into their game thread too, I completely forgot how ridiculous they are over there. Blaming the strike zone, wind amongst other things. They went from World Series champs to bums over the course of a spring training game. I love the rivalry.

[Friend of Nordhagen]

Man, I lurked into their game thread too, I completely forgot how ridiculous they are over there. Blaming the strike zone, wind amongst other things. They went from World Series champs to bums over the course of a spring training game. I love the rivalry.

 

I must say that I'm a little confused by John Danks, both by what I'm now reading and what I saw today. He was effective today. And I don't doubt his talent. But I do doubt what Kenny Williams said right after the McCarthy trade. The clear assertion was that Danks had the kind of stuff to fare better in the Cell than McCarthy. I thought that meant that he had power stuff. Sure, he's supposed to have a great curve, but his velocity is pretty much what McCarthy's was (high 80's, low 90's). So, what am I missing here? Was that just a smokescreen for how much the Sox wanted to get rid of McCarthy? Was it that Danks is left-handed? Was it that they got Masset, too? Whatever the reason, that stuff about "stuff" seems totally false.

[zimne piwo]

Man, I lurked into their game thread too, I completely forgot how ridiculous they are over there. Blaming the strike zone, wind amongst other things. They went from World Series champs to bums over the course of a spring training game. I love the rivalry.

 

 

No lie, it's the Laff-O-Lympics over there.

 

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Yeah, but our catchers win fistfights. Theirs cheat on their wives and are liked by less than 10% of major leaguers.

 

Ever notice how they LOVE bringing that up, but then they NEVER say anything about Scott Podsednik knocking Barrett on his ass right after that?

Edited March 5, 2007 by zimne piwo

[Flash Tizzle]

I must say that I'm a little confused by John Danks, both by what I'm now reading and what I saw today. He was effective today. And I don't doubt his talent. But I do doubt what Kenny Williams said right after the McCarthy trade. The clear assertion was that Danks had the kind of stuff to fare better in the Cell than McCarthy. I thought that meant that he had power stuff. Sure, he's supposed to have a great curve, but his velocity is pretty much what McCarthy's was (high 80's, low 90's). So, what am I missing here? Was that just a smokescreen for how much the Sox wanted to get rid of McCarthy? Was it that Danks is left-handed? Was it that they got Masset, too? Whatever the reason, that stuff about "stuff" seems totally false.

I feel slightly misguided as well. Honestly, up until a few days ago I assumed Danks consistently pitched 92-94 judging from various sources (forums, articles) which had deemed him a 'power pitcher.' He's obviously not. It appears more likely substituting Danks for McCarthy was a lateral move intended to give us a lefthanded pitcher with more years of service. And that's assuming Danks immediately succeeds upon promotion and matches Brandon.

 

It's strange that Williams gives these interviews saying "McCarthy will be a ....very serviceable pitcher;" which implies he won't reach the potential THIS organization anointed him with. With such brashness, he damn well better hope Danks isn't a bust.

 

For what Williams has put on the line here, you'd have to believe his scouting department -- aided by his own judgment -- have us emerging as obvious favorites in this deal. I'd like to have faith in our organization, but I can't help but wonder what Texas thought prior to finalizing the trade. We know our rationale with McCarthy. What's their side of the story? Did they believe all three were expendable, and unlikely to reach their potential? Maybe Daniels and his subordinates thought Danks would only be a "serviceable" pitcher, whereas Masset was merely sold high due to his arm and Mexican League stats.

 

I really don't dislike Danks. After watching him today it's obvious that talent is present. What disappoints me is how, potentially, McCarthy and Danks may cancel each other out and all this trade may give us is a power reliever and Rasner. It'd be tremendous if Masset is our future closer, but it's just difficult to envision such a possibility when you consider the inconsistent nature of relievers. Few are reliable year to year. If it were me, I'd rather have struck a deal including two starters and a throw in rather than one starter, one reliever, and a throw in.

Edited March 5, 2007 by Flash Tizzle

[ScottyDo]

I must say that I'm a little confused by John Danks, both by what I'm now reading and what I saw today. He was effective today. And I don't doubt his talent. But I do doubt what Kenny Williams said right after the McCarthy trade. The clear assertion was that Danks had the kind of stuff to fare better in the Cell than McCarthy. I thought that meant that he had power stuff. Sure, he's supposed to have a great curve, but his velocity is pretty much what McCarthy's was (high 80's, low 90's). So, what am I missing here? Was that just a smokescreen for how much the Sox wanted to get rid of McCarthy? Was it that Danks is left-handed? Was it that they got Masset, too? Whatever the reason, that stuff about "stuff" seems totally false.

by way of a quick reply, I'd say this: Danks is more of a groundball type pitcher in the vein of mark buehrle than mccarthy is. everybody knows that fly balls in the cell tend to hit pinwheels. i think a lot of it was due to the inordinate number of HR's per inning that mccarthy gave up last year. And the rest of things that the other responders said apply too.

 

p.s. danks is also a lefty. if buehrle left (before this offseason happened) we'd have had zero lefties

[RockRaines]

Danks may not be a power pitcher, but the gun was also off a couple of MPH. He should sit in the low 90's 90-93 with his fastball and a mid 80's change. His change is undoubtedly a plus pitch, as he punched out someone to end the inning with it. His curve needs to be thrown for strikes and he needs to develop a cutter. But his stuff looked to me like future top of the rotation stuff.

 

me, I'd rather have struck a deal including two starters and a throw in rather than one starter, one reliever, and a throw in.

Well, we got 1 starter, one swingman, and another good talent. Im not sure I would say he was a throw in. Masset could very well start for this team in a couple of years after time in the pen.

 

No lie, it's the Laff-O-Lympics over there.

Ever notice how they LOVE bringing that up, but then they NEVER say anything about Scott Podsednik knocking Barrett on his ass right after that?

Wow, reading it now. They said that Ozzie puttng out ex-cubs prospects was a slap in the face, but the cubs rolling out 3 former sox pitchers was just their lineup getting set.

[RockRaines]

I just dont get it like all the Sox fans, when I wear my jersey, I hear " Cubs Suck" Its like wow do you feel great and manly now that you said they suck, do you think im going to change to a Sox fan because you told me that? No, I prefer to take showers and not live in a trailer with 13 kids..Most of the people are fans that don't watch the game or know any of the players on the team but take pride in puting other peoples teams down and caring more about hating than their own.White Trash.

 

 

 

[Reddy]

Well, we got 1 starter, one swingman, and another good talent. Im not sure I would say he was a throw in. Masset could very well start for this team in a couple of years after time in the pen.

 

i think he was referring to Rasner as the throw in... which he was

[Flash Tizzle]

i think he was referring to Rasner as the throw in... which he was

I was.

 

I don't know how much our scouts have phsycially watched Rasner throw, but what we're probably banking on is Jacob filling out his frame and developing velocity. It's not based on statistics, that's for sure. Atleast with Liriano as a 'throw in' with the Pierzynski deal the kid had numbers and an arm.

[WilliamTell]

This doesn't really matter too much but I feel like complaining about ESPN. Last night on their bottomline, they showed the final score, White Sox 13 Cubs 2. Then after the score they show people who played and had good games. The only two they showed were Soriano 3-3 and Lee with a homer. None of Konerko's 2 homers or Dye's 3 run shot. But I guess this is ESPN.