southsider2k5 Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/mostoverra...artnersite=espn This is ESPN's list of overrated athletes, included in it are Derick Jeter and Darrin Erstad. My question is whoelse should be on this list if it was just MLB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/mostoverra...artnersite=espn This is ESPN's list of overrated athletes, included in it are Derick Jeter and Darrin Erstad. My question is whoelse should be on this list if it was just MLB? Anyone KW has traded for or is thinking about trading for, except Colon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Oscar DeLaHoya and Eric Lindros should be ranked "higher" on this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 My question is whoelse should be on this list if it was just MLB? Colon at 6-7 and an ERA close to 4 would top my list of local players, followed immediately by 'Corky' Soso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 I'd say just about everyone who plays in New York or who sucks up to the media and plays in small markets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Yes, the 6-7 record and the ERA in the 4's is not that great but people seem to overlook that he leads the MLB in complete games! He is gonna go out there and give your bullpen some rest every time he pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Yes, the 6-7 record and the ERA in the 4's is not that great but people seem to overlook that he leads the MLB in complete games! He is gonna go out there and give your bullpen some rest every time he pitches. I understand what you are saying, however, does this team strike you as needing rest? There has been a whole lot of talk about them being 'lackadasical', so rest isn't high on my priority list, but 'W's are. And he's not getting us those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Is it his fault he gives up no runs but gets no run support! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 I understand what you are saying, however, does this team strike you as needing rest? There has been a whole lot of talk about them being 'lackadasical', so rest isn't high on my priority list, but 'W's are. And he's not getting us those. You do have to admit it can't hurt to have a fresh pen. As long as he isn't burning out it is good he's chewing up innings. It's not like we have this stud bullpen we all love to see in action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 I appreciate the innings and the complete games but looking at it objectively he may not be a bust, but he's definitely a dissapointment. No way he is a stud or has he lived up to the preseason hype, which I might add I totally bought in to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 You do have to admit it can't hurt to have a fresh pen. As long as he isn't burning out it is good he's chewing up innings. It's not like we have this stud bullpen we all love to see in action. Face it, we're never happy! Marte', Wunsch, White is coming around, Gordon is coming around, it's not that bad. It could be real good. I still think our 'tub of goo' quit on us Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Quitting on us. Thats pitching 8 strong innings and giving up 0 runs to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Quitting on us. Thats pitching 8 strong innings and giving up 0 runs to you? He asked to come out. Either he quit on us or his lack of conditioning is a problem. Once he starts to feel Chicago summers he may wish to shed a pound of two. Eilber Wood had almost the same athletic build as I dimly recall but he wasn't a fast ball pitcher. At his pace he could loaf all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 There has been a whole lot of talk about them being 'lackadasical', so rest isn't high on my priority list, but 'W's are. And he's not getting us those. It's pretty hard to get the said 'W's when you are forced to leave the game with a 1-0 lead and BP blows it.. If you think Mark Burly or Loaiza have more talent and ability than Colon, you're f***in' insane. Considering how Marky-Mark's record and ERA you'd think he and his fans would be a touch humbled. (Not that I don't agree with your assessment of Bartolo's lack of desire and embarassing out-of-shapeness....but his pitching skills go far and beyond other Sox pitchers. If he goes on a diet, he is the second best pitcher in AL, pure all-star talent) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 There is some evidence to support the "quit on us" opinion. Not to change the subject but wasn't Zambrano fired up? What got into him? Was he just caught up in the intensity of the rivalry or was it something personal? In any case there was no "quit" in Zambrano that day. I was one of the ones who roasted Manuel for taking Colon out. Maybe Colon took himself out. Only 97 pitches right? He's supposed to have the most stamina of just about any starter in MLB. A chance to really make a point. You'd have to pry the ball from my hands. "Quit on us?" I don't dismiss it, his after games comments (at least the ones I read) left me wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Quitting on us. Thats pitching 8 strong innings and giving up 0 runs to you? That was 7 no run, 3 hit, and a few walk innings. Then, at 97 pitches in 84 degree weather, low humidity, he got tired. Yes, based on his recent quotes and his record here, I think he quit. The tub of goo is not Canadien, nor born and raised in any cold climate I know of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 At the major league level talent is almost equal, it's what you get out of your talent that matters. If you are correct that by going on a diet he would be the 2nd best pitcher in the AL, then what does that say about his desire? If he can't give us enough effort to push away from the table that's sad. I still believe that Bart and Mark give us a great 1-2 start of a rotation for the next 5 years is we cab get them signed. I think Bart needs an attitude adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 That was 7 no run, 3 hit, and a few walk innings. Then, at 97 pitches in 84 degree weather, low humidity, he got tired. Yes, based on his recent quotes and his record here, I think he quit. The tub of goo is not Canadien, nor born and raised in any cold climate I know of. you can acclimate fairly quickly to any climate. I went from Chicago to deep south Texas. A couple months later I was walking 18 holes in 105 degree weather and not wilting. Historically what has been Bart's weight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 It's pretty hard to get the said 'W's when you are forced to leave the game with a 1-0 lead and BP blows it.. If you think Mark Burly or Loaiza have more talent and ability than Colon, you're f***in' insane. Considering how Marky-Mark's record and ERA you'd think he and his fans would be a touch humbled. (Not that I don't agree with your assessment of Bartolo's lack of desire and embarassing out-of-shapeness....but his pitching skills go far and beyond other Sox pitchers. If he goes on a diet, he is the second best pitcher in AL, pure all-star talent) Colon was not forced out of the game. No one has questioned his talent at all. It's his attitude. (Suddenly I get a 'Top Gun' flashback!) But at 6-7 and an ERA close to 4 he's not in the top 20 pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 24, 2003 Author Share Posted June 24, 2003 He asked to come out. Either he quit on us or his lack of conditioning is a problem. Once he starts to feel Chicago summers he may wish to shed a pound of two. Eilber Wood had almost the same athletic build as I dimly recall but he wasn't a fast ball pitcher. At his pace he could loaf all day. He has a finger injury also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 I don't know how much i agree with Erstad being overrated that much. He had one big year..however i believe most people know it was an aberration anyway. He hits decent, runs well, and plays ridiculously solid defense. He's not even talked about that much for anything other than defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Being in the Anaheim area, I've got to see Darrin play a lot and I've always felt he was rather over-rated. Offensively he's a good player, but he's not special. When the Angels gave him a contract worth 8 mill a year longterm I thought they were fools. That being said, Erstad is an awesome player to have on your team and for him being over-rated offensively, he's awesome defensively and is a team player. He also is great in the clutch and is willing to do the little things. Because of that, It would be tough to have him on the list. He's a fun player to watch, thast for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Ya, i just mean, a top 10 guy to be overrated? I think that's a tad drastic. I guess i don't think he's overrated because i know what to expect from him and don't take his one big year to be the template for what we should expect from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Gee, I wonder who would have won the Garland for Erstad trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Gee, I wonder who would have won the Garland for Erstad trade? I would say that remains to be seen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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