103 mph screwball Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 If Mark offers a discount, pay him with 4 years with a nice mutually beneficial option for the 5th. Make Mark a home grown feel good exception to usual pitcher contracts. Lock him up. Hug him on TV. Let Mark tell the world how much he wanted to stay with the Sox and how much he loves playing for them. It would be a nice public relations move. If Danks/Gio/Floyd turn out to be studs, Garland could be traded next offseason, or replace JC when he retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm not getting my hopes up though. QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 09:23 AM) Levine said he expects Buehrle's agent to ask for 4yrs @14 mill. He thinks KW will counter with 3yrs @ 14 with an option for a 4th. If that's what Mark wants, this deal should have been made a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 it sure would be nice to know that all the 4 horsemen are locked up. i expect a big year out of javy.... still on the fence when it comes to mark... i hope he is able to come back strong after that piss poor second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:01 AM) Resigning both Buehrle and Vazquez absolutely does not mean that the White Sox won't have room for 2 young guys in the 2008 rotation. Well than one of the veterans would be out- I assume you are implying Jose, who, if I'm not mistaken, is signed through 2009. Seems to me he would be worth the least on the trade market considering his age and injury concerns. Regardless, if Mark bounces back this year, any extension under $15 million or so will be alright. But I have to assume he would ask for some kind of no trade protection as well. I would just rather avoid the difficulties, and $45-50 million being put into the starting rotation when we have so many positions in the field to fill. We got all these kids for a reason; let's put some faith in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Levine is on 1000 right now the sound byte from Mark was: Levine: have you talked with your agent Mark: yeah, we talked last night Levine: so are you guys planning on approaching kenny Mark: well, that's why I hired an agent, to do contract talks. So any contract questions you'll have to direct to my agent. (end soundbyte) Levine on 1000 immediately after sound byte ends: Yeah, translation, Buehrle's agent is going to make a pitch for a 3 or 4 year deal in the next couple of days. WTF? LOL. Talk about trying to create a story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(iamshack @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 09:26 AM) Well than one of the veterans would be out- I assume you are implying Jose, who, if I'm not mistaken, is signed through 2009. Seems to me he would be worth the least on the trade market considering his age and injury concerns. Jon Garland is only signed through the end of 2008. Jose Contreras is signed through the end of 2009. Both would be potential trade candidates at the end of 2007 if there was an extension struck with Buehrle (assuming good performance by our young guys). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Either way I would love to see Mark re-signed. He's Mr. Sox to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:39 AM) Either way I would love to see Mark re-signed. He's Mr. Sox to me. Definately...and I don't want my jersey to be useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:42 AM) Definately...and I don't want my jersey to be useless. The useless jersey club is a pretty awesome one which includes: Damaso Marte, Billy Koch and Joe Borchard. So don't feel too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 08:12 AM) 3 @ $42 mill for Buehrle is a steal and he won't take it. He knows lefties who have been multiple-year All-Stars and durable are worth more. Unfortunately, I agree. Then again, maybe Mark really wants to stay in Chicago. I'd be pleasantly surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:44 AM) The useless jersey club is a pretty awesome one which includes: Damaso Marte, Billy Koch and Joe Borchard. So don't feel too bad. LOL! Even I've been burned by that. Yes indeed. I have my 2004 All-Star Game jersey featuring... Loaiza. It arrived in the mail literally one week after he was traded. Although: thank God I never did get that Takatsu jersey I wanted! And prior to '06 I was this/close to getting a... McCarthy jersey. Phew. So far I seem safe with my A.J. WS jersey. Back to topic. WHat a wonderful, wonderful surprise it would be to see Buehrle resigned when we all assumed he was gone for sure. That would be a nice start to '07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm not sure a Marky-Mark jersey is useless, even if he leaves after 2007. I don't think I'd call my "Black" Jack McDowell jersey useless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:15 AM) I thought this KW quote in the FoxSports article was very interesting, speaking in regards to the new pitchers: So if they don't need to be anything but a No. 5 now and next year, doesn't that imply that the current 4 will all be around in 2008, including Buehrle? KW normally chooses his words very carefully and this seems pretty obvious. It does? Considering three of the four pitchers mentioned will be back next season, I don't believe he gave a "freudian slip" and played his card concerning Buehrle. What concerns me more is the first line and last line Williams gave in response to Rosenthal's question: Q: How good are the three starting pitching prospects you acquired — Floyd, Gonzalez and Danks? A: We look at things a little differently sometimes than other clubs. Here's what we think: We think they can pitch on a championship team. Otherwise, they wouldn't be here. They've got time to grow into whoever they're going to turn out to be. But they're going to be special. Why the hell should it matter whether someone can pitch on a world series championship? The true goal of trading McCarthy and Garcia should have been obtaining the greatest amount of talent. I don't know about many of you, but this answer doesn't sound like someone who's confident the prospects received are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:44 AM) The useless jersey club is a pretty awesome one which includes: Damaso Marte, Billy Koch and Joe Borchard. So don't feel too bad. Doesn't take much to get you jazzed up for dropping the money on a jersey. Please tell me these are just three of the many jerseys you own. Maggs, Lee, Thomas, hell I could even understand Cotts but a Joe Borchard jersey??????? Don't take it the wrong way just giving you grief, it does suck to drop that kind of dough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:55 AM) Doesn't take much to get you jazzed up for dropping the money on a jersey. Please tell me these are just three of the many jerseys you own. Maggs, Lee, Thomas, hell I could even understand Cotts but a Joe Borchard jersey??????? Don't take it the wrong way just giving you grief, it does suck to drop that kind of dough. Ha, I only own one of those. Two of 'em are from others on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:54 AM) It does? Considering three of the four pitchers mentioned will be back next season, I don't believe he gave a "freudian slip" and played his card concerning Buehrle. What concerns me more is the first line and last line Williams gave in response to Rosenthal's question: Why the hell should it matter whether someone can pitch on a world series championship? The true goal of trading McCarthy and Garcia should have been obtaining the greatest amount of talent. I don't know about many of you, but this answer doesn't sound like someone who's confident the prospects received are good To me it sounds like a guy that loves his current situation and the future as these guys are all potential championship caliber guys that will not be rushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:15 AM) I thought this KW quote in the FoxSports article was very interesting, speaking in regards to the new pitchers: So if they don't need to be anything but a No. 5 now and next year, doesn't that imply that the current 4 will all be around in 2008, including Buehrle? KW normally chooses his words very carefully and this seems pretty obvious. Either that or they would look at aquiring another decent pitcher somewhere along the line... We all know Kenny has a group of guys on other teams that he is trying to trade for all of the time, just by listening to him talk about how long he works to get guys to Chicago. QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:29 AM) Levine is on 1000 right now the sound byte from Mark was: Levine: have you talked with your agent Mark: yeah, we talked last night Levine: so are you guys planning on approaching kenny Mark: well, that's why I hired an agent, to do contract talks. So any contract questions you'll have to direct to my agent. (end soundbyte) Levine on 1000 immediately after sound byte ends: Yeah, translation, Buehrle's agent is going to make a pitch for a 3 or 4 year deal in the next couple of days. WTF? LOL. Talk about trying to create a story. I am glad Mark has learned the art of the "no comment". It should serve him well the rest of his career. QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:44 AM) The useless jersey club is a pretty awesome one which includes: Damaso Marte, Billy Koch and Joe Borchard. So don't feel too bad. I wear the Jeff Bajenaru jersey proudly, thank you very much QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:54 AM) It does? Considering three of the four pitchers mentioned will be back next season, I don't believe he gave a "freudian slip" and played his card concerning Buehrle. What concerns me more is the first line and last line Williams gave in response to Rosenthal's question: Why the hell should it matter whether someone can pitch on a world series championship? The true goal of trading McCarthy and Garcia should have been obtaining the greatest amount of talent. I don't know about many of you, but this answer doesn't sound like someone who's confident the prospects received are good ??? Is the only goal that matters winning a World Series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:59 AM) ??? Is the only goal that matters winning a World Series? Yes, but that has nothing to do with these comments. "They can pitch on a Championship team. Otherwise they wouldn't be here." Is this supposed to refer to their mental toughness, or "grinding" abilities? On it's own merit, I wouldn't have thought much about the quote. But the preceding sentence of "We look at things a little differently sometimes than other clubs..." suggests a different philosophy in regards to our pickups. Is Williams implying that he acquires players to play on a championship ballclub, yet other teams don't? Just a strange thing to say, IMO. This is my belief -- he's refering to the methods used to evaluate players. By suggesting he does things differently, he's refering to scouting more than statistical data. Why else would Floyd be on this ballclub, afterall? Edited March 7, 2007 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 09:59 AM) I am glad Mark has learned the art of the "no comment". It should serve him well the rest of his career. We've got our replacement VP candidate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 11:30 AM) Jon Garland is only signed through the end of 2008. Jose Contreras is signed through the end of 2009. Both would be potential trade candidates at the end of 2007 if there was an extension struck with Buehrle (assuming good performance by our young guys). Garland should be a decent trade candidate. He is young, has wins under his belt, and has been shopped before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 If Buehrle would sign for 4/56, you have to do it. If you don't want to give out 5 and 6 year deals and such, ok....but i'd cave in the one more year if I had to. QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 12:18 PM) Garland should be a decent trade candidate. He is young, has wins under his belt, and has been shopped before. *Sighs* when will people stop calling for our most consistent pitcher to get traded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 12:06 PM) Yes, but that has nothing to do with these comments. "They can pitch on a Championship team. Otherwise they wouldn't be here." Is this supposed to refer to their mental toughness, or "grinding" abilities? On it's own merit, I wouldn't have thought much about the quote. But the preceding sentence of "We look at things a little differently sometimes than other clubs..." suggests a different philosophy in regards to our pickups. Is Williams implying that he acquires players to play on a championship ballclub, yet other teams don't? Just a strange thing to say, IMO. This is my belief -- he's refering to the methods used to evaluate players. By suggesting he does things differently, he's refering to scouting more than statistical data. Why else would Floyd be on this ballclub, afterall? Wow. You got all of that out of that one sentence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 12:25 PM) *Sighs* when will people stop calling for our most consistent pitcher to get traded? Why do you think he would have trade value? He has alot of wins and appears consistent. Over their careers, Buehrle is our most consistently good pitcher. Keep in mind I am a huge Garland fan but Garland has just been consistently avg. He will give you an ERA round 4.5 200+ innings 100-120 k's. Garlands "Consistency" 2002 33 starts 192 IP 112 k's 12 wins 4.58 ERA 2003 32 starts 191 IP 108 k's 12 wins 4.51 ERA 2004 33 starts 217 IP 113 k's 12 wins 4.89 ERA 2005 32 starts 221 IP 115 k's 18 wins 3.50 ERA 2006 32 starts 211 IP 112 K's 18 wins 4.51 ERA not exactly an untouchable player to be traded. Buehrle is probably the most consistently good pitcher. 2001 32 starts 221 IP 126 k's 16 wins 3.29 ERA 2002 34 starts 239 IP 134 k's 19 wins 3.58 ERA 2003 35 starts 230 IP 119 k's 14 wins 4.14 ERA 2004 35 starts 245 IP 165 k's 16 wins 3.89 ERA 2005 33 starts 236 IP 149 k's 16 wins 3.12 ERA 2006 32 starts 204 IP 98 k's 12 wins 4.99 ERA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I really dont see how it could be a good idea to trade Garland. All the benefits of trading him are all the reasons we should keep him. Hes young. hes been consistent and getting better and we have him for two more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpmahr Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 01:51 PM) I really dont see how it could be a good idea to trade Garland. All the benefits of trading him are all the reasons we should keep him. Hes young. hes been consistent and getting better and we have him for two more years. ya because really how much longer does contreras have past his current contract, garland is the future of the sox staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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