Dick Allen Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(scenario @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 06:32 PM) So... our defense would suffer if they kept Perez and moved Mackowiak before the season?? I'm not sure we're talking about the same player then. Mack is a DISASTER in the outfield. Not just center. He gets bad jumps on the ball and he can't judge routes. He's looked as brutal in the corners this spring as he did in center last year. He makes Alphonso Soriano look like a Gold Glover and that's saying something. In the infield? He's not the first backup option at ANY position. Ozuna will be the backup at third. Cintron will be at SS and 2nd. Erstad will be at 1st. So what is Mack's role? A backup for the backups? I like Mac but... Mack is not bad in LF. He's much better than Pods, in fact he's a better baseball player than Pods. If anyone should be traded it should be Pods, but you won't get anything for him unless he's a throw in. I think Erstad is eventually going to get hurt, and Pods is going to struggle. I think if the Sox rid themselves of Mack they would be pining for him around June15th. Its not Mack's fault Ozzie kept throwing him somewhere he should not have been. He had about as much business playing CF as Thome or Konerko. Edited March 11, 2007 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 QUOTE(scenario @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 06:32 PM) So... our defense would suffer if they kept Perez and moved Mackowiak before the season?? I'm not sure we're talking about the same player then. Mack is a DISASTER in the outfield. Not just center. He gets bad jumps on the ball and he can't judge routes. He's looked as brutal in the corners this spring as he did in center last year. In the infield? He's not the first backup option at ANY position. Ozuna will be the backup at third. Cintron will be at SS and 2nd. Erstad will be at 1st. So what is Mack's role? A backup for the backups? I like Mac but... Mackowiak is not a disaster in the OF, I really don't give a s*** what he's done in March with the Arizona sun above his head. If Mackowiak is brutal in the OF then so is Ryan Sweeney, he looked worse than Podsednik out there today. Go back to '05 and check out some of the games Rob played in the corner OF, he's above average out there with probably the second best arm on the Sox strength and accuracy wise. I think it would be ridiculous to trade away one of the absolute best bench players in baseball, a guy who possesses certain skills that no other non-starter on this team has simply because he doesn't have an obvious defensive backup spot. He can play most any defensive position outside of CF, provides more power off the bench than any of the others and actually knows how to draw a walk in a key situation unlike Ozuna and Cintron who have terrible plate discipline. Mack will not be traded this Spring, mainly because KW is dumb enough to make such a move, I still think Mackowiak is KW's backup plan at 2B in '08. With the way this roster is currently put together (cintron, Ozuna, Hall, Mack, Erstad, Podsednik, 4th OF) there is NO room for a guy like Perez. The best possible scenario would be one way or another Podesdnik does not play for the '07 Sox meaning Anderson is the team's CF, Mackowiak platoons in LF with Eduardo Perez and Erstad is used as a 4th OF. That's a winning combination. Of course that won't happen since the team is still enamored with Scott Podsednik. QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 06:39 PM) Mack is not bad in LF. He's much better than Pods, in fact he's a better baseball player than Pods. If anyone should be traded it should be Pods, but you won't get anything for him unless he's a throw in. I think Erstad is eventually going to get hurt, and Pods is going to struggle. I think if the Sox rid themselves of Mack they would be pining for him around June15th. Its not Mack's fault Ozzie kept throwing him somewhere he should not have been. He had about as much business playing CF as Thome or Konerko. Thank you. Exactly what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 06:39 PM) Mack is not bad in LF. He's much better than Pods, in fact he's a better baseball player than Pods. If anyone should be traded it should be Pods, but you won't get anything for him unless he's a throw in. I think Erstad is eventually going to get hurt, and Pods is going to struggle. I think if the Sox rid themselves of Mack they would be pining for him around June15th. Its not Mack's fault Ozzie kept throwing him somewhere he should not have been. He had about as much business playing CF as Thome or Konerko. You got it exactly right. I would also trade Pods if anybody, actually there were times last season when I would have started Mack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 06:45 PM) Mack will not be traded this Spring, mainly because KW is dumb enough to make such a move, I still think Mackowiak is KW's backup plan at 2B in '08. With the way this roster is currently put together (cintron, Ozuna, Hall, Mack, Erstad, Podsednik, 4th OF) there is NO room for a guy like Perez. The best possible scenario would be one way or another Podesdnik does not play for the '07 Sox meaning Anderson is the team's CF, Mackowiak platoons in LF with Eduardo Perez and Erstad is used as a 4th OF. That's a winning combination.If Pods does not play, and Erstad is the 4th OF, who is leading off in that scenario, Gooch? From all indications, it looks like it is going to be either Erstad, Ozuna, or Pods leading off. Whether that is Erstad in LF or CF, Ozuna in LF or Pods in LF. I just hope Anderson is not the odd man out if Pods and Perez both make the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 07:49 PM) If Pods does not play, and Erstad is the 4th OF, who is leading off in that scenario, Gooch? From all indications, it looks like it is going to be either Erstad, Ozuna, or Pods leading off. Whether that is Erstad in LF or CF, Ozuna in LF or Pods in LF. I just hope Anderson is not the odd man out if Pods and Perez both make the team. In my scenerio, where I'm the running things and all with Perez/Mack platooning in LF. Iguchi is the leadoff hitter except in situations where Ozuna is in the lineup, no matter what position he would then leadoff for that game. Mackowiak would also be a nice option leading off against righties while Iguchi leads off against lefties. The production of Ozuna/Mack/Iguchi in leadoff spot would almost certainly be greater than that of Podsednik, they all have the skill set to be pretty good table setters for the big guys in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 Career fielding stats from ESPN show that Pods is a better fielder than Mackowiak at all outfield positions. Better fielding percentage. Better range factor. Better zone factor. Pods http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stat...ontext=fielding Mackowiak http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stat...ontext=fielding So hate Pods if you want to hate Pods but not because Mack is a better fielder because it's simply not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 QUOTE(scenario @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 08:01 PM) Career fielding stats from ESPN show that Pods is a better fielder than Mackowiak at all outfield positions. Better fielding percentage. Better range factor. Better zone factor. Pods http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stat...ontext=fielding Mackowiak http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stat...ontext=fielding So hate Pods if you want to hate Pods but not because Mack is a better fielder because it's simply not true. Yes because fielding stats are so reliable. Um, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 01:53 PM) I know this may be a little much for Ozzie to handle but I have confidence that maybe Joey Cora or someone can help him fill out the lineup card in case he gets confused. HAHA! Should be a front runner for quote of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 QUOTE(scenario @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 08:01 PM) Career fielding stats from ESPN show that Pods is a better fielder than Mackowiak at all outfield positions. Better fielding percentage. Better range factor. Better zone factor. Pods http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stat...ontext=fielding Mackowiak http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stat...ontext=fielding So hate Pods if you want to hate Pods but not because Mack is a better fielder because it's simply not true. Podsednik isn't the 70 SB threat he used to be. I'm also sure without having looked that Podsednik's numbers defensively last year were well below his career averages, and that is generally something that does not regress or progress to the means, especially when said player is coming off of groin surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Wite and Willie sig bet regarding the future existence of Gavin Floyd is pending; parameters of bet to be set come March.Where are those damn parameters!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 08:47 PM) Where are those damn parameters!? they are coming soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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