Just what BA wanted to hear...

[southsideirish71]

Ok, I'll stop, I didn't know he was the next Robin Ventura.

 

Does anyone here realize that what Robin did is rare? In other words, not the common.

 

Why don't we just have one thread title "BA is God"

 

I didnt know he was the next LTP also.

 

Its not rare for major leaguers to struggle with the bat when they come up, it happens. Its about patience to see if they are good or not in the long run. Its about adjustments. I would say its rarer for a player just to jump to the majors and play at the major league level. It just doesnt happen.

 

Its not saying BA is god. Far from it. But give the kid a chance first before you drop a 1st round draft pick to the crapper because of his rookie season. If he sucks again this year and declines or shows no improvement, then by all means drop him. But to give up on a kid, that struggled in the first half and then showed improvement in the 2nd half is a silly argument.

 

I hope you also want Uribe gone too, because he just barely and I mean by the end of the season beat out BAs horrible Batting average. You also want Crede gone too because he also hit in that neighborhood also before.

Edited March 14, 2007 by southsideirish71

[HeGone33]

Talk about pulling no weight what so ever. I really can't take a person like that seriously. Come up with a new line outside of "he sucks". I may dislike a player like Podsednik but atleast I'm able to convey my dislike for him in a more creative an adult way than "he sucks and looks like a scared little b****."

 

It's seriously amazing how little patience some people have in young players. Not everyone succeeds right off the bat, a whole lot of good baseball players fail early in their career before adjusting to the advanced competition. If John Danks wins the 5th spot this year and s***s his pants, I fully expect him to get the same treatment that Anderson and to a bit lesser extent, McCarthy have received.

 

Have some patients, the 2007 season is not riding on the success of Brian Anderson but the future might. Atleast that's how KW has set it up.

Hyperbole is also insanely lame.

 

Your spelling is lame. Seriously, this is a message board that has been going back and forth on the BA thing and there have been posts where I have made more than just a blunt statement. Nothing wrong with summing up my opinion, and I would be happy to verbally state why I think this way perhaps when im not at work. Some of us can't sit on here all day every day and play GM.

Edited March 14, 2007 by HeGone33

[Kalapse]

Talk about pulling no weight what so ever. I really can't take a person like that seriously. Come up with a new line outside of "he sucks". I may dislike a player like Podsednik but atleast I'm able to convey my dislike for him in a more creative an adult way than "he sucks and looks like a scared little b****."

 

It's seriously amazing how little patience some people have in young players. Not everyone succeeds right off the bat, a whole lot of good baseball players fail early in their career before adjusting to the advanced competition. If John Danks wins the 5th spot this year and s***s his pants, I fully expect him to get the same treatment that Anderson and to a bit lesser extent, McCarthy have received.

 

Have some patients, the 2007 season is not riding on the success of Brian Anderson but the future might. Atleast that's how KW has set it up.

Hyperbole is also insanely lame.

And once you start correlating fans showing faith in a young player who struggled offensively in his first year in the bigs with anointing said player a god, you've completely lost it in my book.

[Rowand44]

Let me clarify my point: If Ozzie doesn't like you, you basically don't have a fair shake, I hate to say it but it's the truth. A lot of these players that Ozzie seemingly doesn't like are young players as he obviously has 0 patience. Brian and Brandon rubbed Ozzie the wrong way and one is in Texas while the other has basically been given up on after what...400 ab's? Ridiculous.

[Kalapse]

Your spelling is lame. Seriously, this is a message board that has been going back and forth on the BA thing and there have been posts where I have made more than just a blunt statement. Nothing wrong with summing up my opinion, and I would be happy to verbally state why I think this way perhaps when im not at work. Some of us can't sit on here all day every day and play GM.

Attacking spelling is the epitome of grasping at straws.

 

Your spelling is lame. Seriously, this is a message board that has been going back and forth on the BA thing and there have been posts where I have made more than just a blunt statement. Nothing wrong with summing up my opinion, and I would be happy to verbally state why I think this way perhaps when im not at work. Some of us can't sit on here all day every day and play GM.

And if your definition of 'summing up' is "he sucks and looks like a little b**** at the plate" then yeah I really can't take you seriously.

[HeGone33]

Attacking spelling is the epitome of grasping at straws.

And if your definition of 'summing up' is "he sucks and looks like a little b**** at the plate" then yeah I really can't take you seriously.

 

Like calling people out on a message board for stating their opinion.

 

Attacking spelling is the epitome of grasping at straws.

And if your definition of 'summing up' is "he sucks and looks like a little b**** at the plate" then yeah I really can't take you seriously.

 

I don't need the approval. Thanks anyways.

[Rowand44]

Like calling people out on a message board for stating their opinion.

Well actually back up your opinion instead of just saying "he sucks and can't handle pressure." Why does he suck? Because he wasn't a fantastic hitter after 400 ab's? When has he proven that he can't handle pressure? Lets hear some facts instead of a baseless opinion.

[HeGone33]

Well actually back up your opinion instead of just saying "he sucks and can't handle pressure." Why does he suck? Because he wasn't a fantastic hitter after 400 ab's? When has he proven that he can't handle pressure? Lets hear some facts instead of a baseless opinion.

 

That was my point in summing it up. Im not going to repeat all the things on here that keep repeated over and over about him.

 

 

 

Say all you want about Brian this and Brian that, but last year he sucked and looked nervous, scared and clueless at the plate!

[StrangeSox]

If sucking is playing great defense and hitting .250 in the second half of your first full year, I'll take it.

[Capn12]

That was my point in summing it up. Im not going to repeat all the things on here that keep repeated over and over about him.

Say all you want about Brian this and Brian that, but last year he sucked and looked nervous, scared and clueless at the plate!

 

And luckily, the 2006 stats don't carry over to BA's first AB in 2007....well what would be his first AB of 2007 if he made the team.

 

Fact remains, Anderson is our best option in CF defensively, and for consistency. Yet, because Ozzie doesn't care for him, for whatever reasons I don't care about, he won't get a fair shake, and we'll go with the ever speedy Erstad/Pods/Dye OF.

[Controlled Chaos]

And luckily, the 2006 stats don't carry over to BA's first AB in 2007....well what would be his first AB of 2007 if he made the team.

 

Fact remains, Anderson is our best option in CF defensively, and for consistency. Yet, because Ozzie doesn't care for him, for whatever reasons I don't care about, he won't get a fair shake, and we'll go with the ever speedy Erstad/Pods/Dye OF.

Maybe Ozzie doesn't like him because he looks like a little b**** at the plate???

[southsideirish71]

So if you suck at the plate, and look clueless you are done and that is it.

 

Too bad the Twins didnt feel this way about last years MVP who hit .239 in 05. Then again, people who struggle early on never turn into anything good.

[Rowand44]

That was my point in summing it up. Im not going to repeat all the things on here that keep repeated over and over about him.

Say all you want about Brian this and Brian that, but last year he sucked and looked nervous, scared and clueless at the plate!

Well I haven't read through every thread in PHT about Brian lately so I haven't seen your points, whatever. Nobody has to think Brian is going to be a star and not many do, but that's not the point anyone is trying to make here. The fact of the matter is, Brian is the best option we have in Center by far and away. You can say that the reason Ozzie doesn't like Brian is because he sucks, well explain to me why in the 2nd half of the season when Brian and Mack were virtual equals at the plate that Mack still got so many damn ab's when he's about a million times inferior defensively. Something is wrong with that picture. Ozzie cost us a good amount of games last year because he has something against Brian, and that's just unacceptable, period.

[Kalapse]

So if you suck at the plate, and look clueless you are done and that is it.

 

Too bad the Twins didnt feel this way about last years MVP who hit .239 in 05. Then again, people who struggle early on never turn into anything good.

There were rumors of Morneau being dealt for Lyle Overbay just before the start of the '06 season. Being insanely impatient with talented players is just foolish.

[southsideirish71]

Well I haven't read through every thread in PHT about Brian lately so I haven't seen your points, whatever. Nobody has to think Brian is going to be a star and not many do, but that's not the point anyone is trying to make here. The fact of the matter is, Brian is the best option we have in Center by far and away. You can say that the reason Ozzie doesn't like Brian is because he sucks, well explain to me why in the 2nd half of the season when Brian and Mack were virtual equals at the plate that Mack still got so many damn ab's when he's about a million times inferior defensively. Something is wrong with that picture. Ozzie cost us a good amount of games last year because he has something against Brian, and that's just unacceptable, period.

 

 

Here is another thing. The best solution late last year, would of been to have Mack in LF and Brian in CF.

 

Pods was hitting .241 in the 2nd half with an OBP of .296. That is abissmal for a leadoff guy. His defense was horrible and he wasnt doing anything on the basepaths. But he kept on being trotted out there day in and day out, only being rested against lefties. It would of been better to pair up Mack with Ozuna in LF.

[ptatc]

Let me clarify my point: If Ozzie doesn't like you, you basically don't have a fair shake, I hate to say it but it's the truth. A lot of these players that Ozzie seemingly doesn't like are young players as he obviously has 0 patience. Brian and Brandon rubbed Ozzie the wrong way and one is in Texas while the other has basically been given up on after what...400 ab's? Ridiculous.

 

I agree but isn't this pretty much true for most manager's and coaches. If they don't like your work habits, attitude, tlaent or whatever you aren't going to play. This isn't only Ozzie. He seems to give most players a shot before he goes this route. It's up to the player to change what the manager perceives as " the problem." The problem I would have is if Ozzie doesn't communicate to the player what the problem is. But he seems to do that even if people don't always agree with the method. He is the manager, they are the players. Until he is no longer the manager they need to do what he thinks is best.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I bet the amount of times that he cost us at the plate was less than the amount of times that Mack cost us in the field playing CF.

 

Oh yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that he's the best defensive option. He was practically flawless, I think, 'til that one game where he had a couple of mental lapses (and again, I have bad memory). I don't doubt his glove, it's just that he was frustrating to watch at the plate last year.

 

All he had to do was be a step above atrocious at the plate and this probably isn't an issue. He really did oftentimes look a bit clueless at the plate (and yes, I do realize inexperience, youth, and nervousness from playing for a team with high expections could be factors so I understand that he should get more looks). He showed very little, from what I recall, to give me any hope, which is why I was asking for numbers post-AS break with RISP and in 'clutch' situations because I couldn't recall any hits that really gave me hope.

 

But, like I said, since the organization should have a better grasp on all of the factors for this 'issue', I'm just gonna sit back, hope they make the right decision to give this team the best chance to succeed, and reserve my criticism for if (hope not) it fails.

[witesoxfan]

That was my point in summing it up. Im not going to repeat all the things on here that keep repeated over and over about him.

Say all you want about Brian this and Brian that, but last year he sucked and looked nervous, scared and clueless at the plate!

 

Brian Anderson is apparently trapped in some sort of time warp where he is always stuck in the year 2006, and he is always a rookie, and he will always suck, look nervous, scared, and clueless at the plate. The little b****.

[Gregory Pratt]

I agree but isn't this pretty much true for most manager's and coaches. If they don't like your work habits, attitude, tlaent or whatever you aren't going to play. This isn't only Ozzie. He seems to give most players a shot before he goes this route. It's up to the player to change what the manager perceives as " the problem." The problem I would have is if Ozzie doesn't communicate to the player what the problem is. But he seems to do that even if people don't always agree with the method. He is the manager, they are the players. Until he is no longer the manager they need to do what he thinks is best.

 

Very good post.

 

Also: I didn't know that Brian Anderson was the next Justin Morneau.

[Rowand44]

Very good post.

 

Also: I didn't know that Brian Anderson was the next Justin Morneau.

No one said he was, but that's a simple example of what could happen if you give up on a talented player too early.

[Controlled Chaos]

Very good post.

 

Also: I didn't know that Brian Anderson was the next Justin Morneau.

Of course you don't know. Just as the people in Minnesota didn't know Morneau was the next Morneau.

[pcullotta]

Well I haven't read through every thread in PHT about Brian lately so I haven't seen your points, whatever. Nobody has to think Brian is going to be a star and not many do, but that's not the point anyone is trying to make here. The fact of the matter is, Brian is the best option we have in Center by far and away. You can say that the reason Ozzie doesn't like Brian is because he sucks, well explain to me why in the 2nd half of the season when Brian and Mack were virtual equals at the plate that Mack still got so many damn ab's when he's about a million times inferior defensively. Something is wrong with that picture. Ozzie cost us a good amount of games last year because he has something against Brian, and that's just unacceptable, period.

 

I don't want to start another argument here but the reason why Mack and BA had about the same number of at bats was because Ozzie would not play BA against pitchers (especially righties) that he though BA would have troube with. TO ME, this is why Ozzie has a problem with BA. He feels that even though he only played him against pithcers he should fare well against, he could only hit .257. Also, BA finished up the year with a going 13 for 69 (.188 Avg) in the last month with 1 HR and RBI and 1 for 15 in the last week. Not exactly numbers that would get Ozzie excited about BA as the opening day starter next year. In all reality, Ozzie may have been hurting BA by not playing him consistently but I am just trying to think like the manager here (if that's possible)

[Rex Kickass]

I didn't get to watch many games last year, given my location and my cheap ass not willing to pay for extra innings packages. But when I did see the Sox play, I would watch Brian Anderson play CF with no fear defensively and someone who was a little lost at the plate.

 

I saw him get better at the plate in the second half of last year, and consistently maintain the best outfield defense our team had to offer.

 

BA is young. He was in his first season in the majors. I can imagine its very difficult to get in the right mindset to work in a clubhouse. Since the end of the season, everything points to him doing the right things. His ST play has been good. And now that he's a year older, he just might not be the fartstain in the clubhouse that people seem to think he was.

 

There has to be a reason why he wouldn't get a fair shake. Maybe he's still being a dick off the field. Maybe he doesn't get along with Ozzie. Maybe its both. I have yet to see a situation where when Ozzie is faced with a choice between a young talent and a veteran journeyman, he picks the young talent. Jenks only got his chance because Shingo broke down and then Hermanson broke down. In 04, young starters were getting called up and sent down within three days. Granted they had a rough outing, but a lot of times, they weren't given room to breathe either.

 

There's a lot of evidence to point to this organization not believing in developing talent at the biggest level since 2004.

[whitesoxfan101]

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I don't need the approval. Thanks anyways.

 

Oh don't worry, the ignorance of your posts made that perfectly clear, no need to clarify.

 

Man, BA is more of a lightning rod than Ozzie these days, which is odd since he's an underdog to even make the team IMO.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

There has to be a reason why he wouldn't get a fair shake. Maybe he's still being a dick off the field. Maybe he doesn't get along with Ozzie. Maybe its both. I have yet to see a situation where when Ozzie is faced with a choice between a young talent and a veteran journeyman, he picks the young talent. Jenks only got his chance because Shingo broke down and then Hermanson broke down. In 04, young starters were getting called up and sent down within three days. Granted they had a rough outing, but a lot of times, they weren't given room to breathe either.

 

I agree with the first part, but we can only speculate on that.

 

Disagree with the second part because Ozzie easily could have gone with Politte or Cotts, who were having ridiculous years, and Politte already had experience as a closer.