Music Thread

[kwolf68]

Very much my thoughts exactly. I remember getting War and Pain and also Rrrrooooooaaaarrrr due to raves from Xavier Russel in Kerrang! magazine. I couldn't understand what he liked about them. Then I heard Forgotten In Space on a comp. cassette I had and was instantly blown away.

 

Keep in mind, there are some fans and reviewers of the underground metal scene that LOVE the seminal works of bands...in other words, the noisier it is, the more frantic, the sloppier it is, the more some people like it. So many of that scene hated when bands GOT BETTER. Personally, I love to see bands get better. Sodom is another band like this...an absolutely cacaphonous racket on their early works, but then they do an absolute thrash masterpiece (Agent Orange) a few years later.

 

As far as Voivod, "War and Pain" was bad; nearly unlistenable. RRROOOAAARRR showed improvement (Korgul and Ripping Headaches were decent efforts), but these first two albums were just marred by limited musical vocabulary and a slight reliance on hardcore punk at this point...I mean songs like "Suck My Bone" and "Eff Off and Die" fit where in a conceptual band such as this? They dont.

 

But what I loved so much about this band was they went from a very remedial below average hardcore band to an amazingly fresh and innovative progressive thrash band who had become a super-talented band in the span of just a couple years. The music became fuller, tighter, and far more complicated. The concepts of the band had come into focus and the dynamic music just brought that more to light.

Edited September 15, 2009 by kwolf68

[bmags]

I'm not going to sit back and listen to people call a VMA a f***ing award.

 

Also, Jay's album wasn't that good but No ID came with some s***.

[MHizzle85]

And it really isn't much better than the stuff out this year. I actually liked Kingdom Come, but he has gone downhill big time. American Gangster was overrated immensely. Blueprint 3 is worse than Blueprint 2 as Blueprint 2 was filled with a ton of filler, but also had much better tracks than this album's best tracks. Meet the Parents > anything on blueprint 3. Last but not least, Jay is over 40 if you didn't know.

I have to respectfully disagree. As an overall album BP3>BP2...and really, it's not even that close. Also, Jay's 39.

 

I was really unimpressed with the Blueprint 3. It just seemed boring and uninspired, like Jay ran out of s*** to talk about. Jay gets a free pass because he's Jay, and because everyone else sucks so bad compared to him even when he is meh.

 

I said this on facebook and got called a hater. I'm like umm ok I don't really see how I'm "hating" when I own all of his CDs.

This has been my point, it's not great...it's just kinda good. I'd say it's in the middle of the pack when comparing his work.

[lostfan]

I didn't really like American Gangster that much. I mean it was good, I bumped it. But I wasn't like OMG JAY'S ALBUM IS SO HOT like everyone else did. I really haven't been that into Jay since the Black Album.

[3E8]

Listening to Brand New's new album ATM.

 

On first listen, I don't think it's as good as their older stuff.

After first listen I'm quite disappointed. One of the few times the free stream online swayed me not to purchase the album. The bookends of this record, Vices and Noro, are really enjoyable. Too bad everything in the middle is forgettable

[Kyyle23]

After first listen I'm quite disappointed. One of the few times the free stream online swayed me not to purchase the album. The bookends of this record, Vices and Noro, are really enjoyable. Too bad everything in the middle is forgettable

 

 

Oooh boy I am excited for this album, downloading it now

[Rex Kickass]

I didn't really like American Gangster that much. I mean it was good, I bumped it. But I wasn't like OMG JAY'S ALBUM IS SO HOT like everyone else did. I really haven't been that into Jay since the Black Album.

American Gangster was the first good thing he did since the Black Album, IMHO. And I wasn't even a fan of the black album til it became the grey album.

[bmags]

American Gangster was the first good thing he did since the Black Album, IMHO. And I wasn't even a fan of the black album til it became the grey album.

 

well, yeah, but that was only one album removed. He took too much on in Kingdom Come. Not only was he making a come back but I think he thought his coattails were bigger, bringing in a bunch of, imo, more raw up and coming producers. And I liked, one beat, Kingdom Come on that album.

 

He's doing the right thing. He has good chemistry with Kanye, just blaze, timbaland (who, imo, is out of ideas), and I thought No ID did well on this album with Jay. Best Jay can do now is probably make a couple singles and one great song, and some of it's going to be reliant on its beats. Venus vs. Mars is one of the worst songs I've ever heard. But empire state of mind and DOA bring the goods. That's jay's sound now. He couldn't carry Reasonable Doubt beats anymore, he really can't be that minimal. People get old.

[Cali]

I know Jay-z is one of the biggest rappers of the last decade or so and has more money than god but I couldn't tell you one song he does. I know songs from kanye and eminem and dre and snoop, but I draw a total blank on any jay-z songs.

 

I think this stems from what I call the "f/ effect". In which seemingly every single major hip hop or rap song in the last 7 years or so features about 8 other guys on it. So I have no idea who's song it actually is....

[bmags]

I know Jay-z is one of the biggest rappers of the last decade or so and has more money than god but I couldn't tell you one song he does. I know songs from kanye and eminem and dre and snoop, but I draw a total blank on any jay-z songs.

 

I think this stems from what I call the "f/ effect". In which seemingly every single major hip hop or rap song in the last 7 years or so features about 8 other guys on it. So I have no idea who's song it actually is....

 

Eh, no. Jay rarely has more than one other and that's usually 1 or 2 on the album. Kanye rarely has more than one other since his freshman debut. Jay pretty much owns his songs.

[Cali]

I'm not saying he does that, I'm saying a lot of hip hop artists do, and me not being a fan what so ever, I can't tell who's doing what song. So that effect bleeds into my familiarization with Jay

[BigSqwert]

Smashing Pumpkins announce free 44 song album

[shipps]

Smashing Pumpkins announce free 44 song album

 

Its amazing how they think the more songs they make the more chance they have of hitting on a few songs that people will like...but it is just 4 times the more suck that they are putting out. They were a big part of my life going through high school but those days are far behind me.

[nitetrain8601]

I have to respectfully disagree. As an overall album BP3>BP2...and really, it's not even that close. Also, Jay's 39.

 

 

This has been my point, it's not great...it's just kinda good. I'd say it's in the middle of the pack when comparing his work.

 

A Dream, The Watcher 2, '03 Bonne & Clyde, The Bounce, I Did It My Way, Diamonds Is Forever, Meet The Parents, Blueprint 2 are collectively better than What We Talkin' About, DOA, Run This Town, Empire State of Mind, A Star is Born, and Hate. You're right though, Jay turns 40 this year.

 

After first listen I'm quite disappointed. One of the few times the free stream online swayed me not to purchase the album. The bookends of this record, Vices and Noro, are really enjoyable. Too bad everything in the middle is forgettable

 

It wasn't anywhere as good as Your Favorite Weapon, Deja Entendu(all-time favorite), or Raging.

 

well, yeah, but that was only one album removed. He took too much on in Kingdom Come. Not only was he making a come back but I think he thought his coattails were bigger, bringing in a bunch of, imo, more raw up and coming producers. And I liked, one beat, Kingdom Come on that album.

 

He's doing the right thing. He has good chemistry with Kanye, just blaze, timbaland (who, imo, is out of ideas), and I thought No ID did well on this album with Jay. Best Jay can do now is probably make a couple singles and one great song, and some of it's going to be reliant on its beats. Venus vs. Mars is one of the worst songs I've ever heard. But empire state of mind and DOA bring the goods. That's jay's sound now. He couldn't carry Reasonable Doubt beats anymore, he really can't be that minimal. People get old.

 

Kingdom Come had a bunch of known producers. Only one who was semi unknown was Dj Khalil and maybe one or two other producers. It had Chris Martin, Just Blaze, Dr. Dre on there. In fact, the beats were superb on that album. I also thought it was underrated, but I could see why. The only tracks that I can listen to on repeat are Lost Ones, Trouble, Dig A Hole, Minority Report(very underrated song) and Beach Chair(very very underrated).

 

American Gangster completely lost me though. Only hot tracks on there to me are Pray, Roc Boys(And The Winner Is), and Ignorant S***. Rest of the album was trash. Jay has always been production driven to me though. I don't think I've ever heard a song with a wack beat that was good of his. He's not that type of artist and he's always ensured he's worked with the best producers. Again, where he's failing nowadays are the beats, and then trying to be witty, but most of the time failing like Blockbuster.

[Leonard Zelig]

Its amazing how they think the more songs they make the more chance they have of hitting on a few songs that people will like...but it is just 4 times the more suck that they are putting out. They were a big part of my life going through high school but those days are far behind me.

 

Man, b****ing about a free album

[shipps]

Man, b****ing about a free album

 

I am b****ing about the suck part, not the free part. I would LOVE for them to give me an amazing 10 song album that cost me 20 bucks.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Its amazing how they think the more songs they make the more chance they have of hitting on a few songs that people will like...but it is just 4 times the more suck that they are putting out. They were a big part of my life going through high school but those days are far behind me.

 

I dunno. . . I didn't care for most of Zeitgeist other than Chamberlin's drumming, but for free albums, I thought Machina I and II were solid. I don't know if I buy this incarnation as the Pumpkins but I'm interested in hearing the stuff as it comes out.

 

[bmags]

how is chris martin a known rap producer?

[MHizzle85]

A Dream, The Watcher 2, '03 Bonne & Clyde, The Bounce, I Did It My Way, Diamonds Is Forever, Meet The Parents, Blueprint 2 are collectively better than What We Talkin' About, DOA, Run This Town, Empire State of Mind, A Star is Born, and Hate. You're right though, Jay turns 40 this year.

 

Kingdom Come had a bunch of known producers. Only one who was semi unknown was Dj Khalil and maybe one or two other producers. It had Chris Martin, Just Blaze, Dr. Dre on there. In fact, the beats were superb on that album. I also thought it was underrated, but I could see why. The only tracks that I can listen to on repeat are Lost Ones, Trouble, Dig A Hole, Minority Report(very underrated song) and Beach Chair(very very underrated).

 

American Gangster completely lost me though. Only hot tracks on there to me are Pray, Roc Boys(And The Winner Is), and Ignorant S***. Rest of the album was trash. Jay has always been production driven to me though. I don't think I've ever heard a song with a wack beat that was good of his. He's not that type of artist and he's always ensured he's worked with the best producers. Again, where he's failing nowadays are the beats, and then trying to be witty, but most of the time failing like Blockbuster.

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Although you did pick some of the best tracks from BP2. I think Kingdom Come is probably his 2nd worst album.

[DBAHO]

After first listen I'm quite disappointed. One of the few times the free stream online swayed me not to purchase the album. The bookends of this record, Vices and Noro, are really enjoyable. Too bad everything in the middle is forgettable

Pretty much agreed.

 

Their last album took me a while to get into, but this one I just can't say many positive things about at all.

 

Have been enjoying the new Muse album also. Been getting some pretty good reviews.

[bmags]

Devo is doing a don't look back tour...wish I could go to a show.

[The Critic]

Devo is doing a don't look back tour...wish I could go to a show.

Why are they playing Boston songs?

 

[bmags]

Why are they playing Boston songs?

 

 

I know that was a joke, but don't look back is a series that All Tomorrows Parties festival did getting bands back together to play their most famous album (or just bands to play their most famous album). It's taken off and copied by others and it's become a phrase in itself. I'm not sure if Devo is doing a straight album, though.

[Kyyle23]

I saw Devo at Lollapalooza 97 and I was disappointed to say the very least. That was the one band I had to leave the main stage for

[FlaSoxxJim]

I don't think Devo was ever considered a particularly good live band — theatrical aspects aside. I think Mark Mothersbaugh is pretty brilliant, though.

Edited September 17, 2009 by FlaSoxxJim