BUMPED::::::Toby Hall Possibly out for the season

[Kalapse]

Because we don't have a 100 % back up first baseman. I think it was worth giving Hall a look at. It sucks he got hurt but im not blaming anyone for it. I'm sure hes not either.

DARIN ERSTAD, isn't that one of the reasons they brought him in? He's supposed to be Gload except capable of playing the OF as well.

[nitetrain8601]

I hope Eduardo can play catcher.

[Flash Tizzle]

Whether anyone believes Guillen is to blame, no one can doubt how much this will hurt us.

 

No minor league depth. No viable options on the market. No way of obtaining a suitable replacement without overpaying.

 

Not good. We're not better for this. That is, unless the team becomes so incredibly inspired from the loss that everyone has career seasons.

[BigSqwert]

DARIN ERSTAD, isn't that one of the reasons they brought him in? He's supposed to be Gload except capable of playing the OF as well.

No kidding. Hall should be 6th or 7th on the depth chart for 1B.

[NorthSideSox72]

Perez played the last two days.

Then I stand corrected on that point. And now with Hall out, he's probably more likely to make the team (and probably less likely that Anderson makes it). But Perez was certainly no lock to make the team.

[fathom]

Look, I'm not ready to crucify Ozzie for what happened. It was a freak injury. I'm more annoyed with the fact that Hall was put at 1B when there was no reason for him to still be playing. The fact that he was an above average back-up, and now will be replaced by a mediocre back-up, hurts this team a lot. Of course, we still have injury prone starters hitting in the 8th and 9th inning of Spring Training games busting their ass down the line. Hopefully the vibe gets better once the season starts.

[Rowand44]

This hurts.

[GoSox05]

what is Aj's career batting average against lefties?

[fathom]

what is Aj's career batting average against lefties?

 

0 for Santana/C.C. In all seriousness, you could tell during the 2nd half last year how much he started to tire. A back-up catcher is very important, especially in our division when you have a lefty starter and all the tough LHP.

Edited March 26, 2007 by fathom

[NorthSideSox72]

DARIN ERSTAD, isn't that one of the reasons they brought him in? He's supposed to be Gload except capable of playing the OF as well.

Hall Erstad vs lefties last year: .192. Last three years: .238.

 

Again, like Mack, not the comparison to make. Against LHP, if Thome sits, Hall or Perez were the best bench options available for 1B. And Perez was not yet on the 25 (though he may be now).

 

EDIT: HA! I meant Erstad against lefties.

Edited March 26, 2007 by NorthSideSox72

[Flash Tizzle]

Hopefully the vibe gets better once the season starts.

It won't.

 

Unless a backup with Hall's potential magically emerges.

Edited March 26, 2007 by Flash Tizzle

[Balta1701]

what is Aj's career batting average against lefties?

Career, here's AJ against lefties (618 AB)

.248 .274 .350 .624

 

That .624 OPS is downright Erstadian.

Edited March 26, 2007 by Balta1701

[Kalapse]

Look, I'm not ready to crucify Ozzie for what happened. It was a freak injury. I'm more annoyed with the fact that Hall was put at 1B when there was no reason for him to still be playing. The fact that he was an above average back-up, and now will be replaced by a mediocre back-up, hurts this team a lot. Of course, we still have injury prone starters hitting in the 8th and 9th inning of Spring Training games busting their ass down the line. Hopefully the vibe gets better once the season starts.

There, these are basically my feelings as well.

[HeGone33]

Chris Widger was the backup when the Sox won the World Series.

 

Enough Said.

[fathom]

Hall vs lefties last year: .192. Last three years: .238.

 

Again, like Mack, not the comparison to make. Against LHP, if Thome sits, Hall or Perez were the best bench options available for 1B. And Perez was not yet on the 25 (though he may be now).

 

Hall hit .292 vs LHP last year, and is a .274 career hitter vs LHP.

 

Chris Widger was the backup when the Sox won the World Series.

 

Enough Said.

 

Chris Widger was actually a damn good hitter for the first half of the season.

[NorthSideSox72]

Hall hit .292 vs LHP last year, and is a .274 career hitter vs LHP.

Chris Widger was actually a damn good hitter for the first half of the season.

Corrected. I meant Erstad. Typed too quickly and had Hall on the brain.

[LVSoxFan]

FWIW, from whitesox.com

 

"If you don't want to get hurt in baseball, I'll be sitting with you in the pressbox," said Guillen, who mentioned getting Hall at-bats and a little work at first base was discussed during the morning staff meeting. "The only way to keep him sharp is to play him every other day and find him some at-bats."

 

"I love it over there," added Hall, who listed Sunday's injury as a subluxation, or partial dislocation, of his right shoulder. "I was anticipating a play like that anyways. I happened to land wrong."

 

[watchtower41]

I love how 90% of this board is freaking out like the season is over with this injury, yet fail to remember we brought home the hardware with Chris F'n Widger as our back-up. Yes, the same Chris Widger that wins MVPs of the 16" softball tournaments across the country.

 

Ease up kiddies, we could have much bigger problems on our plate right now. Take Minnesota for instance, deciding who to make thier #3 (let alone #5) Sidney Ponson or Ramon Ortiz. A classic win-win situation.

[Kalapse]

Hall Erstad vs lefties last year: .192. Last three years: .238.

 

Again, like Mack, not the comparison to make. Against LHP, if Thome sits, Hall or Perez were the best bench options available for 1B. And Perez was not yet on the 25 (though he may be now).

 

EDIT: HA! I meant Erstad against lefties.

I'll take my chances with Erstad playing 1B and hitting 9th if they find the need to give Thome a day off and Konerko a little rest at DH. Outside of that I'm content with Thome facing lefties unless Perez makes the 25 man roster. I never liked the idea of Hall doing anything outside of his normal backup catcher duties. I said all this when they signed the guy.

[Flash Tizzle]

Chris Widger was the backup when the Sox won the World Series.

 

Enough Said.

You find me one backup catcher capable of producing his 2005 numbers.

 

Just don't overpay. And find a team willing to give him up this late in spring training.

 

Good luck.

[Balta1701]

So...aside from Alomar and Widger...does anyone have any other ideas for someone who might be available?

 

Javy Lopez did just come to mind, I believe he was released by the Rockies. He was able to put up a .270 .293 .404 .697 against lefties last year.

[Kalapse]

I love how 90% of this board is freaking out like the season is over with this injury, yet fail to remember we brought home the hardware with Chris F'n Widger as our back-up. Yes, the same Chris Widger that wins MVPs of the 16" softball tournaments across the country.

 

Ease up kiddies, we could have much bigger problems on our plate right now. Take Minnesota for instance, deciding who to make thier #3 (let alone #5) Sidney Ponson or Ramon Ortiz. A classic win-win situation.

I love the condescending tone of your post, if you don't think the loss of a legit backup catcher is pretty big loss then I'm not sure you're following this team all that closely. Using Widger and '05 as some sort of evidence that the Sox don't need a guy to spare AJ every now and then is so ludicrous that I chose to not even address it.

 

And you do know Widger his .296 in '05 right? If anything you just proved how valuable Hall could have been.

 

So...aside from Alomar and Widger...does anyone have any other ideas for someone who might be available?

 

Javy Lopez did just come to mind, I believe he was released by the Rockies. He was able to put up a .270 .293 .404 .697 against lefties last year.

He's not really a catcher though. I suppose that could work, that was one of the names mentioned last season before they dealt for Alomar.

[southsider2k5]

DARIN ERSTAD, isn't that one of the reasons they brought him in? He's supposed to be Gload except capable of playing the OF as well.

 

how about a back up first baseman that is right handed?

[GoSox05]

So...aside from Alomar and Widger...does anyone have any other ideas for someone who might be available?

 

Javy Lopez did just come to mind, I believe he was released by the Rockies. He was able to put up a .270 .293 .404 .697 against lefties last year.

 

 

 

I think if your looking for some offense against lefties. hes gotta be the guy.

[BigSqwert]

From the Tribune:

 

White Sox's Hall has torn labrum

 

By Mark Gonzales

Tribune staff reporter

 

In the team's initial diagnosis, White Sox reserve catcher Toby Hall, who was injured playing first base Sunday, has a torn labrum in his right shoulder. The team said it will seek a second opinion.

Edited March 26, 2007 by BigSqwert