AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 From the Trib today: The negotiation window is now said to be closed. The Sox won't talk with the representatives for potential free agents Buehrle, Dye and Tadahito Iguchi until the 2007 season is over. They will hold exclusive negotiating rights until 15 days after the World Series. From KFFL: White Sox | All contract talks tabled Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:03:44 -0700 The Chicago Sun-Times' Joe Cowley reports all contract talks with Chicago White Sox players who can be free agents following the 2007 season have been tabled, as is the custom with White Sox general manager Kenny Williams. ''The only thing I hope and wish, and I will appreciate, is we don't have contract talks during the season,'' White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said. ''When we were here the last four years with the team, we haven't heard anything." From Rotoworld: General manager Ken Williams said Sunday that the White Sox have ceased contract negotiations with pending free agents Jermaine Dye, Mark Buehrle and Tadahito Iguchi. Williams did sign Matt Thornton and Pablo Ozuna to multi-year extensions Sunday. ''We'll deal with it after the season, and hopefully as champions,'' Williams said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 After the past few days, i believe Tad will be back. Whether it is during the season or after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 QUOTE(Brian @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 09:41 AM) After the past few days, i believe Tad will be back. Whether it is during the season or after. What happened the last few days, other than that writer in the Herald pulling something out of his rear end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 09:42 AM) What happened the last few days, other than that writer in the Herald pulling something out of his rear end? I'm sure the guy didn't make it up. He had to get it from somewhere and leads me to believe they were talking and close, but some of the little things needed to be agreed on. I always laugh at people who bash beat writers or reporters just because they write something and it doesn't end up happening. Doesn't mean what he was reporting was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 QUOTE(Brian @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 09:45 AM) I'm sure the guy didn't make it up. He had to get it from somewhere and leads me to believe they were talking and close, but some of the little things needed to be agreed on. I always laugh at people who bash beat writers or reporters just because they write something and it doesn't end up happening. Doesn't mean what he was reporting was wrong. Read the article. Find one shred of actual data in it that isn't supposition. The best he could do was a quote from Iguchi saying he "respected" the Sox. In fact, if you look at the way the writer couched his phrases, it was entirely what he thought made sense, and nothing about any sort of indications or evidence. I bash beat writers and anyone else who write absolutely unfounded articles and try to pass them as fact. That Herald article was precisely that. That article was NOT reporting - it was speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Brian @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 02:45 PM) I'm sure the guy didn't make it up. He had to get it from somewhere and leads me to believe they were talking and close, but some of the little things needed to be agreed on. I always laugh at people who bash beat writers or reporters just because they write something and it doesn't end up happening. Doesn't mean what he was reporting was wrong. That was all speculation by the author. Pretty foolish of him to word it the way he did. At least this is some more good news. Edited April 2, 2007 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I can't believe the Sox would do this, especially with Gooch. Makes no sense. Perhaps it's a ploy by KW to get the media focused on the season and not talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I'm glad he decided its done till after the season's over. Cause I dont wanna hear about it all sesaon long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 So, what exactly is the benefit for the team of tabling these negotiations until the end of the season? Esp. with Iguchi? I really have a ton of difficulty buying that "They're distracted by the negotiations" is actually a decent excuse for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 10:45 AM) So, what exactly is the benefit for the team of tabling these negotiations until the end of the season? Esp. with Iguchi? I really have a ton of difficulty buying that "They're distracted by the negotiations" is actually a decent excuse for anything. This way if he does end up signing any of them it will be for more than they would have gotten with an in season contract extension, that's what tends to happen when you're bidding against other teams for the services of your former players. There's a reason why you get the exclusive negotiating window, I just wish KW would take advantage of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 08:48 AM) This way if he does end up signing any of them it will be for more than they would have gotten with an in season contract extension, that's what tends to happen when you're bidding against other teams for the services of your former players. There's a reason why you get the exclusive negotiating window, I just wish KW would take advantage of it. So in other words, you're saying that there is no financial benefit for the team to not negotiating during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 09:48 AM) This way if he does end up signing any of them it will be for more than they would have gotten with an in season contract extension, that's what tends to happen when you're bidding against other teams for the services of your former players. There's a reason why you get the exclusive negotiating window, I just wish KW would take advantage of it. They'll still have the 15 days after the season is over. Plus I would imagine there will still be some talking if the sides really want to do it. This is more for the players and the media, so if the media asks any questions everybody can just say, there are no contracts, remember what we said at the beginning of the season. [edit] I THINK [/edit]This is more of a media move than anything else QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 09:55 AM) So in other words, you're saying that there is no financial benefit for the team to not negotiating during the season. You don't know. What if one of them falls apart during the season and totally sucks beyond comprehension. They would then get a lot less money in the offseason and you wouldn't necessarily be stuck with them if it did. I'm not saying that will happen to any of these guys, but that's a financial benefit Edited April 2, 2007 by jphat007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 There are three things that can happen during the season. 1) The player's value goes up. 2) The player's value goes down. 3) The player's value stays the same. The contract negotiations could make the player A) Feel better and motivated. B) Stay the same. C) Feel unwanted and perhaps distracted. The Good: 1A, 1B The Bad: 1C, 2A, 2B, 2C The Ordinary: 3B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Who else do you think would be in the market for Iguchi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 QUOTE(Big Hurtin @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 09:05 AM) Who else do you think would be in the market for Iguchi? Could change with injuries, poor performing rookies, or guys stepping up this season: Toronto Oakland Atlanta (depending on Kelly Johnson's performance this season) St. Louis (how much do they like Adam Kennedy?) Colorado LA Dodgers, depending on what Jeff Kent does SF Giants (durham = getting old). San Diego (Marcus Giles is on a 1 year deal with an 08 option) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 10:57 AM) They'll still have the 15 days after the season is over. Plus I would imagine there will still be some talking if the sides really want to do it. This is more for the players and the media, so if the media asks any questions everybody can just say, there are no contracts, remember what we said at the beginning of the season. [edit] I THINK [/edit]This is more of a media move than anything else You don't know. What if one of them falls apart during the season and totally sucks beyond comprehension. They would then get a lot less money in the offseason and you wouldn't necessarily be stuck with them if it did. I'm not saying that will happen to any of these guys, but that's a financial benefit Kenny has already stated that he wants his prospective free agents to test the open market, I don't hold much faith in the 15 day exclusive negotiating rights window being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 12:02 PM) There are three things that can happen during the season. 1) The player's value goes up. 2) The player's value goes down. 3) The player's value stays the same. The contract negotiations could make the player A) Feel better and motivated. B) Stay the same. C) Feel unwanted and perhaps distracted. The Good: 1A, 1B The Bad: 1C, 2A, 2B, 2C The Ordinary: 3B What happened to 3A and 3C? Edited April 2, 2007 by RME JICO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 11:22 AM) Kenny has already stated that he wants his prospective free agents to test the open market, I don't hold much faith in the 15 day exclusive negotiating rights window being used. Sure-that gets him off the hook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan3530 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I think gooch will be back and i have faith (maybe its just dumb optimism) that dye will be back. Mark already has one foot out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I don't have much confidence in the 15 day window either. KW won't be letting them all get away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 45 day window if you don't make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpezz27 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 They will all be traded by June when we are toiling along in fourth place...The only part of the team we improved was the bullpen, and with our starters being worse the bullpen will just get overworked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 They will all be traded by June when we are toiling along in fourth place...The only part of the team we improved was the bullpen, and with our starters being worse the bullpen will just get overworked! Time will tell, but how could the Sox be so dominant a couple years ago and be as bad as you suggest now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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