IlliniKrush Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Morneau promptly ends it with a HR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 ballgame, Morneau wins it with a walk-off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Haha. That was hilarious. Carl looked like he wanted to get out. I mean seriously. WTF was he thinking. Oh well, we'll get our chance at the Drays, Orioles, etc. All our Central rivals have easy first months. Especially compared to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Joel 'Zambraya' hit 102 on the gun tonight....in case you care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 04:26 AM) Joel 'Zambraya' hit 102 on the gun tonight....in case you care. Heh -- no velocity problems for Tigers pitching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 The Indians will hold a press conference at 4:30 p.m. ET today to announce the signing of Westbrook to a three-year contract extension through the 2010 season. Westbrook, who makes $6.1 million this season, will make another $33 million over the course of the three-year extension. The contract does not include any option years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Wow, great deal for Cleveland, bad deal for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 That's only a good deal IMO, not a great deal. It's a great deal if Cleveland is able to increase salary to still be able to hang onto guys like Hafner and CC when they hit FA in a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 13, 2007 Author Share Posted April 13, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 12:57 PM) That's only a good deal IMO, not a great deal. It's a great deal if Cleveland is able to increase salary to still be able to hang onto guys like Hafner and CC when they hit FA in a couple years. Giving a 30 year old starter who strikes no one out, walks around 50 and gives up a s*** load of hits $11M a year when your payroll constraints seem to be right around $60M (having the 25th highest attendance in baseball last season will not help matters) could be a BIG mistake. CC and Hafner hit the open market after the '08 season and they'll pull in about $30M per year combined if they please. ~$40M for 3 players? I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 11:03 AM) Giving a 30 year old starter who strikes no one out, walks around 50 and gives up a s*** load of hits $11M a year when your payroll constraints seem to be right around $60M (having the 25th highest attendance in baseball last season will not help matters) could be a BIG mistake. CC and Hafner hit the open market after the '08 season and they'll pull in about $30M per year combined if they please. ~$40M for 3 players? I don't know. Like I said, it depends on what they're willing to spend. Almost every other team in baseball has had its revenue explode the past few years, and Cleveland has maneuvered themselves into some very good deals wiht some of its folks like Sizemore, along with having a good stream of youth on the way up. If Cleveland is willing to pump up it's total salary to hold onto Hafner and CC for a few more years, or at least Hafner specifically if they don't think CC can stay healthy, they're in ok shape, but that all depends. It's like Vazquez's deal. If the White Sox were looking to cut back on salary to get back to $80 million, it's a pretty bad deal unless he turns into Johan. If the Sox are looking to stay near $100 million, it's an ok to pretty good deal because that's relatively fair market value and still allows him to be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 01:22 PM) It's like Vazquez's deal. If the White Sox were looking to cut back on salary to get back to $80 million, it's a pretty bad deal unless he turns into Johan. If the Sox are looking to stay near $100 million, it's an ok to pretty good deal because that's relatively fair market value and still allows him to be traded. Kind of confused here...if the Sox were looking to cut back payroll, Vazquez would be one of the first to go. If they're looking to keep the payroll where it is, he'll be around, put up solid numbers, and be a great market value player. Unless Vazquez gets hurt - and that risk holds true for every MLB player period - it's a great deal because it allows so much flexibility for the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchwarmerjim Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 (edited) going back to the Yankees series, I sort of miss Mientkiewich at first, but Morneau adds so much offense, it was a good move. But watching him rob Casilla brought back memories. heh Secondly, who knew Ramon Ortiz had enough moxie to 3 hit the Yankees lineup who slaughtered Twins pitching the previous 2 games and Joe Nathan should buy Carl Crawford a fancy dinner, because Crawford bailed Nathan out of that predicamint last night. That was some crazy baserunning pretty good matchup tonight. Santana -vs- Kazmir and on that SI report about Johan Santana, Joe Christenson from the Star-Tribune talked about it on his blog Sports Illustrated turned yesterday upside down for me. La Velle handed me the reigns, and I was all set to write the game story between the Twins and Yankees. But then came word that SI had a “league source” saying Johan had broken off contract talks with the Twins. Pretty juicy stuff. Except, it just isn’t true. La Velle, Souhan and I started working our sources and came to realize just how off-base the SI report was http://www.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/?p=105 Edited April 13, 2007 by Benchwarmerjim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 12:22 PM) Kind of confused here...if the Sox were looking to cut back payroll, Vazquez would be one of the first to go. If they're looking to keep the payroll where it is, he'll be around, put up solid numbers, and be a great market value player. Unless Vazquez gets hurt - and that risk holds true for every MLB player period - it's a great deal because it allows so much flexibility for the Sox. He's implying that the Vazquez signing would not have been a good one had the Sox been in a budget cut mode. However, with the payroll being steady at 100 million and it looks like that will be the case over the next couple of years the move ends up making a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wow, great deal for Cleveland, bad deal for us. Please explain. Aside from last year, Westbrook has been terrible against us. One of these things is not like the others..... 2003: 98 ERA+, 1.489 WHIP 2004: 134 ERA+, 1.247 WHIP 2005: 91 ERA+ , 1.3101 WHIP 2006: 107 ERA+, 1.429 WHIP so far in 2007: 54 ERA+ , 1.727 WHIP There were plenty of people bashing the similar Vazquez extension, but look at the career numbers. Westbrook: 56-54, 100 ERA+, 1.39 WHIP Vazquez: 101-105, 105 ERA+, 1.272 WHIP Westbrook is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 03:43 PM) He's implying that the Vazquez signing would not have been a good one had the Sox been in a budget cut mode. However, with the payroll being steady at 100 million and it looks like that will be the case over the next couple of years the move ends up making a lot of sense. Johan just gave up 3 runs to the D-Rays in the 5th. Ex-Sox Josh Paul had the first RBI...a lot of strange plays in that inning. Upton had a swinging bunt RBI and Baldelli almost killed Punto, hitting into a Fielder's Choice RBI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 You should've seen Santana's fielding play on Upton's bunt, jumps up and tries to use his glove to throw it to Mauer, didn't work. Why can't the Sox ever score 3 off Santana let alone in 1 inning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 08:38 PM) You should've seen Santana's fielding play on Upton's bunt, jumps up and tries to use his glove to throw it to Mauer, didn't work. Why can't the Sox ever score 3 off Santana let alone in 1 inning? Crawford just hit an inside the park HR, 4-1. Could be a logjam of three 6-4 teams with the White Sox 1/2 game back coming into tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 Devil Rays win it 4-2. Santana has been beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 09:47 PM) Devil Rays win it 4-2. Santana has been beat. At home! What was the streak he was on where the Twins hadn't lost a game he'd started there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 10:33 PM) Any time the Twins lose a Santana start, its like 2 losses. http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindeale....xml&coll=2 Article on the Indians' philosophy behind signing Westbrook, it really does parallel with Vazquez. The problem is, they might "only" lose Sabathia and Hafner (two of their three best), but we have to keep Garland, Iguchi, Uribe, Crede, Dye, AJ, Buehrle, Pods...our team's future is definitely more "in flux." I think Thome's contract runs out after next year as well. That's a large part of the core of our current team, more than 1/3rd of the roster. EDIT: I forgot we at least have a $5 million dollar option on Uribe next year, and no replacement in place. Edited April 14, 2007 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchwarmerjim Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 I was at the Dome last night to see Santana lose :cry: just have to start another 25 game win streak! (or however long that was) Carl Crawford is one fast dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 Its ok BWJ, just ask all of us Sox fans...we remember Crawford all too well, and good ole Billy Koch remembers him for damn sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 The Rays hit nathan with authority today, he takes the loss as the rays get a split. Akinori Iwamura continues to a beast at the dish .395/520something/560something 12bb/7so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Looking at fatass Sabathia today, I feel he is going to severely decline as he gets older. He appears to be growing more and more fat every year, eventually he will get too fat to be as effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Before contract talks broke off between Johan Santana and the Twins, baseball's best pitcher is believed to have had put the team on notice that he wants a contract at least as long as Barry Zito's eight-year deal with San Francisco. Why wouldn't he? "I'm going to be honest," Santana told the Minneapolis Star Tribune. "I would like to stay here forever. Now, how many years would they be willing to offer? Hopefully I could do lifetime. That would answer your question because that's what I would like." There's no urgency to these talks, as Santana is committed to the Twins through 2008. But you can bet GM Terry Ryan will carefully handicap his chances of doing a long-term deal as he decides whether to let him go the distance in Minnesota or trade him when his value is highest. Ryan is the guy who somehow got Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser from San Francisco for A.J. Pierzynski and Eric Milton, and Cristian Guzman for an unhappy Chuck Knoblauch. If the Twins fade by the July 31 deadline, he can ask a king's ransom for Santana and center fielder Torii Hunter, a free agent after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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