knightni Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 05:06 PM) He may dislike some specific people within the organization, very important ones at that...but take a moment and remember the ovations he received last year with the A's in his first game back. I was there. It was great until Garland kept helping him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 Great Article on Espn Front Page http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor...&id=2863660 Four could reach 500-HR mark this season It was once the highest perch in baseball, the most exclusive fraternity in sports, the place reserved only for the best and brightest. Most everyone in it was a Hall of Famer as soon as he got there, if not before. It is the 500 club, and it has changed and will continue to change. In the first 120 seasons of major league baseball, which brings us through the 1995 season, 14 players hit 500 home runs. From 1972 through 1983, only one player, Willie McCovey, joined The Club. And from 1988 through 1995, nobody reached 500 home runs. In only three years in history have as many two players hit their 500th home run in the same season: 1967 with Mickey Mantle and Eddie Mathews, 1971 with Harmon Killebrew and Frank Robinson, and 2003 with Sammy Sosa and Rafael Palmeiro. But this season, four players likely will hit No. 500: Frank Thomas (491), Alex Rodriguez (478), Jim Thome (477) and Manny Ramirez (475). If all four do, 10 members will have joined the 500 fraternity in 12 seasons after having only 14 in 120 seasons. This could suggest that the 500 club has been watered down and has lost its exclusivity. That would be wrong. Is there a current 500-homer hitter who doesn't belong? Absolutely not. Should any of the 2007 class be viewed as undeserving of entrance? No. Thomas is a Hall of Famer. Many have forgotten his first 10 years in the big leagues, but he was Jimmie Foxx reincarnated. Thomas is among 20 players in history with a .300 average, .400 on-base percentage and .500 slugging percentage; 13 of the 20 who are eligible for the Hall are in the Hall. Ramirez is a Hall of Famer. He has been an RBI machine for 14 years, and he is in the .300/.400/.500 club. Rodriguez is a Hall of Famer; he was on his way to supplanting Honus Wagner as the greatest shortstop ever when he switched to third base. Thome is closing in on Hall of Fame status. He is a lifetime .282 hitter with a .410 on-base, a .566 slugging, as many 100-RBI seasons (nine) as McCovey and Willie Stargell combined, and as many 40-homer seasons (six) as Willie Mays. But more 500-homer guys are coming. We count 20 more active players, all with at least 200 career home runs, who have a chance -- granted, an outside chance for some -- to hit 500. It would be safe to assume that Gary Sheffield (459) will get there next year, and Carlos Delgado (408) at the end of 2009. Mike Piazza, 38, has 420 homers; he might not make 500. But Andruw Jones will: He has 347 home runs at age 30. So will Vlad Guerrero. He is 31 and has 347 home runs. And, although massive statistical projection is needed here, it's a virtual lock that Albert Pujols will hit 500 home runs -- he has 256, and is only 27 years old. That's five more. Chipper Jones might make it to 500, also; he has 367 homers at age 35. Jason Giambi has less of a shot, it would seem, with 355 at age 36. From there, it gets even more difficult to project. Richie Sexson has 277 home runs at age 32. Todd Helton has 289 at age 33. Is Helton done as a big-time home run hitter? Maybe so. Does Sexson sound like a 500-home run threat? Probably not. But with as long as players' careers last today, if he plays 10 more years and averages 23 home runs a year, he'll reach 500 home runs. Adam Dunn has 208 home runs, and he's only 27. At this rate, he has a shot at 500. Then there are the guys at 30 and 31. In theory, most have five more prime years in them and maybe 10 years total. So with 30 homers a year for five years, then 20 on average for five more, they will be near 500 home runs. Included in that group: Troy Glaus has 263 home runs at age at 30; Paul Konerko 249 at 31; Miguel Tejada 242 at 30; David Ortiz 239 at 31; Lance Berkman 228 at 31; Carlos Lee 226 at 30; Derrek Lee 218 at 31; Carlos Beltran 210 at 30; and Alfonso Soriano 210 at 31. Maybe none of the 30/31 guys will reach 500. Maybe only Ortiz sounds like a name worthy of the 500 mark, and he isn't halfway there. But no one could have predicted back in 1995, when Palmeiro was 31, that he would reach 500, yet he blew past it in 2003. It seems logical that of the 20 active players with 200-plus homers mentioned above, half of them are going to hit 500 home runs. That likely would happen in the next 10 years. With the four expected to reach the mark this year, that would make 20 new members in 22 seasons after only 14 in the first 120 seasons of baseball. Fourteen in 120 seasons. Twenty in 22 seasons. By that time, the 500-homer club surely will have lost its exclusivity. By then, perhaps, we will be keeping 500-home run guys out of the Hall of Fame, guys who had no connection to steroids, because we will know them only as home run hitters as opposed to all-round players. Remember, Killebrew was fifth on the all-time home run list when he retired after the 1975 season, and it took him until his fourth year of eligibility to make it to Cooperstown. He never should have had to wait that long. Ten years from now, other 500-home run hitters are going to have to wait longer. Some might wait forever. Watch "Baseball Tonight" this week as the show highlights the 500-homer milestone, featuring the following: • The players who should reach the milestone this season (Frank Thomas, Alex Rodriguez, Jim Thome and Manny Ramirez). • Footage of several major leaguers hitting their 500th home run: Hank Aaron, Ernie Banks, Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Jr., Reggie Jackson, Harmon Killebrew, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Mark McGwire, Eddie Murray, Rafael Palmeiro, Frank Robinson, Mike Schmidt and Sammy Sosa. • A discussion on the significance of 500 home runs in qualifying for the Hall of Fame. • A conversation on 600 home runs being the new 500 home runs in terms of significance among MLB records (tied to Texas' Sosa -- 595 -- approaching the milestone). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 I completely forgot about A-Rod. I mentioned to one of my friends last week how 3 guys could hit 500 this year, and one guy could get 600. He totally slipped my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ May 8, 2007 -> 03:31 PM) I completely forgot about A-Rod. I mentioned to one of my friends last week how 3 guys could hit 500 this year, and one guy could get 600. He totally slipped my mind. because he's so freaking young... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted May 12, 2007 Author Share Posted May 12, 2007 Big Hurt went deep today in the 3rd inning. 8 to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Scott Baker, thanks for the contribution 494, Thomas ties the game against the Twins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 1, 2007 Author Share Posted June 1, 2007 Frank hit his 8th hr of the season against the sox , 495th overall, 5 to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Well Frank would fit perfectly in the middle of our line up right now... His numbers and Konerko's are almost mirror images of each other except for walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 496 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 08:29 PM) 496 Leader among DH"s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 497 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 GRAND SLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 498 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 He was 4 - 4 today with 4 RBI's... Go Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briguy27 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 498 Is there anyway he can wait until July 27 to hit 500 so he does it at The Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jun 23, 2007 -> 04:42 PM) 498 Is there anyway he can wait until July 27 to hit 500 so he does it at The Cell That would be nice but I doubt it. It's good to see his bat finally wake up. He should be hitting better then he has been. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 1 away....congrats Frank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 #499 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 (edited) Frank up 2nd next inning for Toronto. K's looking. Edited June 24, 2007 by Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briguy27 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 499 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 (edited) Frank will for sure bat again, as he's due up 5th in the 7th (so he'll be up 2nd in the 8th inning at the latest). And to add to the intrigue of Frank having another shot at #500 later in the game, the Toronto pitcher has a no hitter through 6. EDIT: No hitter through 7. Edited June 24, 2007 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Shame Toronto doesn't come to Chicago tomorrow. One more big man and we'll all stand and applaud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 04:42 PM) Shame Toronto doesn't come to Chicago tomorrow. One more big man and we'll all stand and applaud. Yeah, I was also kinda hoping he would save it for Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 one more FRANK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 QUOTE(rangercal @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 10:11 PM) one more FRANK! i think this thread deserves to be pinned....good luck big man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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