WilliamTell Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2832015 As a Titans fan, I'm dissapointed by this because Pac Man is a good player, but as a person, it's a good thing to set an example of him and hope he learns from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I dont know what to think of this, I really dont like rules that are put into place after the actions have taken place (ex post facto). The article implies that the NFLPA is agreeing with this, and if that is the case then I expect that the suspensions will stand. If however the NFLPA realizes that they are giving up an extreme amount of power by basically letting the commisioner suspend anyone for "detrimental conduct" and they decide to fight it, I really doubt that the suspensions will stand. I dont have the contracts or anything between the NFLPA, NFL, etc, but the fact that such a suspension has never happened before for much worse conduct, think Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, its hard for me to agree with such harsh suspensions. T Im of the belief that what you do on your own free time is just that, and as long as they are not breaking the law (which should be handled by the judiciary) then they can do whatever they want. If I want to go to a strip club and shower 40k, no one is going to stop me, so why should they not have the same freedom? Seems more like the No Fun League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Tank should be interesting. I hope the prison term is punishment enough but in all accounts he should get a year as well then....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 The NFLPA has actually been negotiating a new policy with the Commish to deal with these sorts of cases. Here are the details. Released today. Added NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw: "The NFL Players Association and the Player Advisory Council have been discussing this issue for several months. We believe that these are steps that the commissioner needs to take and we support the policy. It is important that players in violation of the policy will have the opportunity and the support to change their conduct and earn their way back." Education * The annual rookie symposium of all drafted players will be expanded to include mandatory year-round rookie orientation by all clubs that will reinforce the information presented at the June symposium. * An expanded annual life-skills program for all players and clubs will be mandatory. * There will be mandatory briefings each year for all players and clubs given by local law enforcement representatives. These briefings will cover laws pertaining to possession of guns, drinking and driving, domestic disputes and other matters, including gang-related activities in the community that could be of significance to players, coaches, and other club-related personnel. * Every club will be required to implement a program for employees to enhance compliance with laws relating to drinking and driving. * Counseling and treatment programs for all club and league employees that violate the policy will be expanded. Discipline * The standard of socially responsible conduct for NFL employees will be higher. Club and league employees will be held to a higher standard than players. Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL will be subject to discipline, even if not criminal in nature. * Discipline for individuals that violate the policy will include larger fines and longer suspensions. * Repeat violations of the personal conduct policy will be dealt with aggressively, including discipline for repeat offenders even when the conduct itself has not yet resulted in a conviction of a crime. * Individuals suspended under the policy must earn their way back to active status by fully complying with professional counseling and treatment that will include evaluation on a regular basis. * Clubs will be subject to discipline in cases involving violations of the Personal Conduct Policy by club employees. In determining potential club discipline going forward, the commissioner will consider all relevant factors, including the history of conduct-related violations by that club's employees and the extent to which the club's support programs are consistent with best practices as identified and shared with the clubs. Recommended best practices include having a full-time club player development director and a full-time club security director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 If I was an NFL player I would be contacting my attorney (not NFLPA one) asap. I dont understand why the NFLPA would want to give such power to the commissioner? By enlarging these rules and giving them very indefinite terms basically 50% of the NFL could be suspended at any given time. Is Belicheck going to get suspended for pickling that other guys wife? I would say that it falls under: "Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL will be subject to discipline, even if not criminal in nature." Not exactly putting your best foot forward when one of your most prolific coaches is supposedly breaking up marriages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Apr 10, 2007 -> 02:17 PM) I dont know what to think of this, I really dont like rules that are put into place after the actions have taken place (ex post facto). The article implies that the NFLPA is agreeing with this, and if that is the case then I expect that the suspensions will stand. If however the NFLPA realizes that they are giving up an extreme amount of power by basically letting the commisioner suspend anyone for "detrimental conduct" and they decide to fight it, I really doubt that the suspensions will stand. I dont have the contracts or anything between the NFLPA, NFL, etc, but the fact that such a suspension has never happened before for much worse conduct, think Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, its hard for me to agree with such harsh suspensions. T Im of the belief that what you do on your own free time is just that, and as long as they are not breaking the law (which should be handled by the judiciary) then they can do whatever they want. If I want to go to a strip club and shower 40k, no one is going to stop me, so why should they not have the same freedom? Seems more like the No Fun League. They get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play a game. If they can't follow simple rules of conduct and basic human decency, that's too bad. They can go bag groceries if they're unhappy with it. They'll get no pity from 99% of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonik22 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Apr 10, 2007 -> 12:57 PM) http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2832015 As a Titans fan, I'm dissapointed by this because Pac Man is a good player, but as a person, it's a good thing to set an example of him and hope he learns from this. I'm also a Titans fan and i feel the same way. I really like Pac-man but he needs to get his act together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I didn't see an Imus/Rutgers thread. So I was watching CNN and there was an angry radio host (whom happen to be a black woman) throwing all whites into a group, saying whites are the only racists basically, or atleast that is how she came across. She said blacks are only publicized if they're athletes or in trouble... so what happens next, they move on and you see Pacman and Henry's pictures and how they got in trouble. I couldn't help but laugh how she was like its only when they're athletes or in trouble and there they were haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Badger, perhaps the NFLPA is behind this because they don't want the actions of a few affecting the image of those that go about their business/lives the right way? Maybe if the MLBPA would have taken a similar stance, the whole steroid issue may have never become as blown up as it did. If they eliminated it in effect through peer pressure, then we would have had a steroid policy a lot sooner and perhaps less guys using. Just think if they were proactive in the mid-90's.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 When Jamal Lewis went to jail he got 4 games but this is a different time. I can see Tank getting 8-16 games. I dont think he should get more than Henry but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 QUOTE(SuperSteve @ Apr 10, 2007 -> 05:51 PM) So I was watching CNN and there was an angry radio host (whom happen to be a black woman) throwing all whites into a group, saying whites are the only racists basically, that, good sir, is what my teacher told me the definition of irony was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 So the man who actually gets arrested (multiple times actually) and charged gets 8 games where the man who was never charged of anything, only questioned gets banned for the season. Interesting.. Not saying it's not right by any means, but I think eigher Pac's was too harsh, or Henry got off easy. At least be consistant with it but I don't know too much info so I might be wrong on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 QUOTE(SoxAce @ Apr 10, 2007 -> 11:27 PM) So the man who actually gets arrested (multiple times actually) and charged gets 8 games where the man who was never charged of anything, only questioned gets banned for the season. Interesting.. Not saying it's not right by any means, but I think eigher Pac's was too harsh, or Henry got off easy. At least be consistant with it but I don't know too much info so I might be wrong on this. You do realized Pacman has been arrested like 10 times since being in the league, if not more... I know its something ridiculous. Not 2 mention these latest allegations against him are what contributed to it, no matter what his involvement is in the shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Apr 10, 2007 -> 01:28 PM) If I was an NFL player I would be contacting my attorney (not NFLPA one) asap. I dont understand why the NFLPA would want to give such power to the commissioner? By enlarging these rules and giving them very indefinite terms basically 50% of the NFL could be suspended at any given time. Is Belicheck going to get suspended for pickling that other guys wife? I would say that it falls under: "Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL will be subject to discipline, even if not criminal in nature." Not exactly putting your best foot forward when one of your most prolific coaches is supposedly breaking up marriages. The thing is, if they did this at a real job, they wouldn't even get this much consideration. They would be out on their asses after the first arrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Based on the actual history of these 2, not public perception, it should have been a year for Henry and 8 for Jones. But since it's all about public perception, they got it backwards. They both deserved a harsh punishment though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 11, 2007 -> 08:34 AM) The thing is, if they did this at a real job, they wouldn't even get this much consideration. They would be out on their asses after the first arrest. My thoughts exactly. These players are already getting far more chances than they would at a normal job, which I think is the opposite of what should be the case. How anyone can argue that they somehow don't deserve these penalties is beyond me. I have zero sympathy for people who are given the huge gift and priviledge of playing professional sports and then crap all over the game that gave them their success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 My question is this...neither Henry nor Jones has done any jail time, have they? Besides a night in the slammer, that is. If the judicial system means anything to the NFL, and it may not, Tank should get less than both. Call it time served, but he's spending 4 months in jail...so maybe 4 games? I don't know, someone who goes to court, gets sentenced and pays the price, to me, shouldn't be punished more just to set an example. That's just me, of course...so flame on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 http://www.bangcartoon.com/2007/pacman.htm I think it's one of his better ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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