Kalapse Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 11:57 AM) What two run homer in a 2-1 game? I see Thome with a solo shot in the 4th and a run scoring single in the eighth. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playbyplay?g...mp;refresh=null Yeah, I was going strickly from memory on that one, not really close. Anyway, that's a late game RBI right there. I'm still waiting for some of Pods' big late game moments. QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 11:59 AM) That's the funny part. You can't seem to have a differing opinion without it being blown up into something it is not. I was one who loved the deal to get Thome, and the fact that it meant Frank was moving on. I still think Thome is a great player, and will have a great year, he just hasn't done anything big so far, but really no one on the offensive side of the game has been clutch except for Uribe. I'm not blowing anything out of proportion here, it just seems Thome can't catch a break. I don't know what more some people want from him, he should not be lumped in with Konerko, Dye and Crede right now because he's producing on a whole 'nother level. He's had a grand total of 7 PA with RISP and he's come through 4 out of the 7 times and 1 of those was a HR. It's not his fault that he's not getting the opportunities. If Thome hadn't taken so much unnecessary s*** last year it probably wouldn't bother me nearly as much as it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:11 PM) Yeah, I was going strickly from memory on that one, not really close. Anyway, that's a late game RBI right there. I'm still waiting for some of Pods' big late game moments. See my last comment.... pretty much only Uribe has been clutch when it really mattered. Pods has actually just been doing what he should be doing in getting on base consistantly. Then again we don't pay him for 40 homers and 120 RBIs, so I don't expect that from him either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 So yeah, Brian is a communist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:13 PM) See my last comment.... pretty much only Uribe has been clutch when it really mattered. Pods has actually just been doing what he should be doing in getting on base consistantly. Then again we don't pay him for 40 homers and 120 RBIs, so I don't expect that from him either. You just seemed to quantify a 'good hitter' as someone who gets big hits late in games and since Pods and Uribe are supposedly the only 'good hitters' right now I just assumed that Pods had some big moments this year that I don't remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:17 PM) You just seemed to quantify a 'good hitter' as someone who gets big hits late in games.... People always posted the same things about Frank Thomas -- how "un-clutch" he was. Apparently it's tradition for the Sox to have a HOF-caliber DH who people don't fully appreciate. And seriously -- how many RBI opportunities has Thome gotten this season? It can't be that many.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:17 PM) You just seemed to quantify a 'good hitter' as someone who gets big hits late in games and since Pods and Uribe are supposedly the only 'good hitters' right now I just assumed that Pods had some big moments this year that I don't remember. For me it is actually a combination of watching games and the statistics. I know for many it is one or the other, but I don't get into playing games on paper too much, or falling in blind love/hate with a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Thome has been coming on ok of late. His RBI opps havent been many, but he hasnt capitalized on too many of them. Either way the middle needs to be more productive. ESPECIALLY Joe (0 xbh) Crede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 04:52 PM) When has he gotten a big hit late in a game this year? The only thing I can find is the run scoring single in Oakland. Everything else has been way early in games. So runs late in the game mean more than runs early in the game? Heh -- ya learn something new every day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I'm still waiting for Thome to do anything clutch in the 9th inning. However, he's the least of our offensive problems now. It's almost like the opposite of the first few months last year, when we had like 7 of our 9 offensive hitters doing well. Brian Anderson will never be a full-time starter under Ozzie again. I don't know what Anderson/McCarthy have done off the field, but I think Ozzie's doghouse is a one-way street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:25 PM) I'm still waiting for Thome to do anything clutch in the 9th inning. However, he's the least of our offensive problems now. It's almost like the opposite of the first few months last year, when we had like 7 of our 9 offensive hitters doing well. Brian Anderson will never be a full-time starter under Ozzie again. I don't know what Anderson/McCarthy have done off the field, but I think Ozzie's doghouse is a one-way street. I for one, am glad that BMAC ended up in the doghouse. Danks/Masset will help us much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(quickman @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 10:15 AM) Who the hell cares about Brian Andersen. He is nothing, he will not get us to the playoffs nor might he be anything other than what he is. I know people like him because he is young, a surfer dude, who acts kool, but the guy is a non entity. Really who cares. Move on he is a fringe player. Most of us care about Brian because we believe he is the best option we have to play center and he's got completely raw deal here. Simple enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:27 PM) I for one, am glad that BMAC ended up in the doghouse. Danks/Masset will help us much more. Aint that the truth. I liked Brandon as much as anyone, probably because he reminded me of one of my favorite sox pitchers in build and all, Blackjack. But Danks has stones, and Masset has been good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:24 PM) So runs late in the game mean more than runs early in the game? Heh -- ya learn something new every day! Yeah, go ahead runs in the 9th inning mean a little more than go ahead runs in the first inning if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 05:27 PM) I for one, am glad that BMAC ended up in the doghouse. Danks/Masset will help us much more. That is true, but I don't think any of us want to see a pattern where Ozzie continues to have issues getting along with players that eventually the only solution is to trade them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:32 PM) That is true, but I don't think any of us want to see a pattern where Ozzie continues to have issues getting along with players that eventually the only solution is to trade them. If it is true that the players in question are bad in the clubhouse and are ill prepared, then I wouldnt mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:25 PM) I'm still waiting for Thome to do anything clutch in the 9th inning. Agreed. Thus far he's 1-3 w/ 2 BB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 A thread that has people questioning Jim Thome's production is a thread that I leave after this post. He's the best hitter on this team, and is producing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 05:34 PM) Agreed. Thus far he's 1-3 w/ 2 BB. During his entire time with the Sox, I don't recall him doing any damage in the 9th inning or later in a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 05:29 PM) Yeah, go ahead runs in the 9th inning mean a little more than go ahead runs in the first inning if you ask me. They wouldn't be go-ahead runs if you hadn't scored those earlier runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 The thing with Thome is that as good as he is, he's still not going to be anything above average (at best) against all the LHP we face. Thus, we need the rest of the order to pick it up against them. If Hall doesn't return, we're looking at having to get production from Anderson and Molina against the tough LHP we face. If guys like Iguchi can't improve vs LHP, you're looking at a lineup with way too many easy outs. It's too bad we couldn't replace Mackowiak on the roster with Eduardo Perez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:40 PM) During his entire time with the Sox, I don't recall him doing any damage in the 9th inning or later in a game. Hmmm... well, he did deliever the only hit (a homerun) in a 1-0 defeat of the St. Louis Cardinals in the 7th inning, if IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 05:44 PM) Hmmm... well, he did deliever the only hit (a homerun) in a 1-0 defeat of the St. Louis Cardinals in the 7th inning, if IIRC. 9th inning or later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:50 PM) 9th inning or later Who gives a s***? Worry about someone who didnt have an OPS of 1.014 last season, or while "struggling" .984 this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:52 PM) Who gives a s***? Worry about someone who didnt have an OPS of 1.014 last season, or while "struggling" .984 this year... Im worried about Paulie, Crede and AJP more than Thome thats for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:53 PM) Im worried about Paulie, Crede and AJP more than Thome thats for sure. Exactly. Myself, more worried about Crede and AJP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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