cho seung-hui exposed

[RockRaines]

They say 1 in 4 people have mental illness, but you have to remember that is a study done by people who thrive on mental illness. Serious mental problems are much more rare than that. This kid fits alot of the profiles of similar killers, but we cant just draw a comparison between sociopathic behavior and a killing spree, its such a rare thing.

[Soxy]

They say 1 in 4 people have mental illness, but you have to remember that is a study done by people who thrive on mental illness. Serious mental problems are much more rare than that. This kid fits alot of the profiles of similar killers, but we cant just draw a comparison between sociopathic behavior and a killing spree, its such a rare thing.

I think that's sort of my point though, do you create a database for everyone that has seen a therapist because they were depressed? Or that took Xanax during a rough period of their life? And how do you draw that line between "normal" mental illness and mental illness like in this shooting?

 

 

Also, back to Jenks' point: I think that creating a database like you propose will stop people from getting good mental health care for fear of losing jobs or health insurance or whatever else. So, in that respect I think the database would be really self-defeating.

[BigSqwert]

I think that's sort of my point though, do you create a database for everyone that has seen a therapist because they were depressed? Or that took Xanax during a rough period of their life? And how do you draw that line between "normal" mental illness and mental illness like in this shooting?

I don't think you can without approaching "Big Brother" territory.

[RockRaines]

I think that's sort of my point though, do you create a database for everyone that has seen a therapist because they were depressed? Or that took Xanax during a rough period of their life? And how do you draw that line between "normal" mental illness and mental illness like in this shooting?

You cant. The only extremely troubled people that are well known are usually locked up already somewhere. Mental illness is something we just have to deal with, its old as time. From serial killers in the old country to school shooters now, some people are just f-in crazy

[Jenksismyhero]

You cant. The only extremely troubled people that are well known are usually locked up already somewhere. Mental illness is something we just have to deal with, its old as time. From serial killers in the old country to school shooters now, some people are just f-in crazy

 

I would agree, but at the same time in this particular instance, the guy should not have been given the opportunity to act. He had a series of events that pointed to something like this. Obviously who knows how many people are currently diagnosed or committed to a mental health facility that will eventually act on it (probably a small, small number) but you could at least keep them unarmed.

 

Soxy- I understand what you're saying but we're limiting it to severe cases. Again, just because it's difficult to define 'severe' doesn't mean it can't be done. There are fine lines in a lot of the law but we still make that determination. We'd have to research and debate what that line is, but it can be found.

 

I just feel like if you've gotten to that degree, where you've had someone put a judgement against you saying you're a danger to yourself, we're you've been ordered to a mental health facility, those types of serious mental illness problems should somehow be documented and available to gun shop owners to keep the guns away from them. As for fear of any career problems down the road, are these people really going to eventually run a Fortune 500 company? Or are they going to be cleaning the toilets at the state rest stop? I don't think that's going to be a major problem at all.

[CanOfCorn]

I would agree, but at the same time in this particular instance, the guy should not have been given the opportunity to act. He had a series of events that pointed to something like this. Obviously who knows how many people are currently diagnosed or committed to a mental health facility that will eventually act on it (probably a small, small number) but you could at least keep them unarmed.

 

Soxy- I understand what you're saying but we're limiting it to severe cases. Again, just because it's difficult to define 'severe' doesn't mean it can't be done. There are fine lines in a lot of the law but we still make that determination. We'd have to research and debate what that line is, but it can be found.

 

I just feel like if you've gotten to that degree, where you've had someone put a judgement against you saying you're a danger to yourself, we're you've been ordered to a mental health facility, those types of serious mental illness problems should somehow be documented and available to gun shop owners to keep the guns away from them. As for fear of any career problems down the road, are these people really going to eventually run a Fortune 500 company? Or are they going to be cleaning the toilets at the state rest stop? I don't think that's going to be a major problem at all.

 

I don't know if it was mentioned in this thread, but Cho Seung-Hui was committed to a mental hospital, but it was voluntary. Meaning, he committed himself. And by law, at least in Virginia, that meant he COULD get a gun. People have breakdowns every day, whether it's tragedy, stress or whatever. Shoot, I had situational depression when I got divorced, does that mean I should be on some list somewhere? I don't think so...I'm fine now. *face ticks*

[SoxFanForever]

I can tell ya "why".

 

Because he was an asshole.

I personally enjoy your explanation.

[Controlled Chaos]

I don't know if it was mentioned in this thread, but Cho Seung-Hui was committed to a mental hospital, but it was voluntary. Meaning, he committed himself. And by law, at least in Virginia, that meant he COULD get a gun. People have breakdowns every day, whether it's tragedy, stress or whatever. Shoot, I had situational depression when I got divorced, does that mean I should be on some list somewhere? I don't think so...I'm fine now. *face ticks*

I thought a judge ordered him to go, but he didn't order a mandatory stay or anything. I could have heard that wrong though. I know I didn't here that he just decided on his own to go and check himself in to a mental hospital.