Texsox Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 The next President will be one of these four McCain Clinton Romney Obama And I put their chances in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 08:58 AM) The next President will be one of these four McCain Clinton Romney Obama And I put their chances in that order. Romney can't beat anyone in November, so I'd flip Romney and Obama there. I think the list would be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Sorry but its Clinton Obama McCain Romney McCain is and will be broke unless he opts out of public financing before he receives any actual money. If Clinton pulls ahead nicely and becomes the presumptive nominee before the convention, it'll be the polar opposite of four years ago. Remember this time four years ago and everyone thought Kerry couldn't lose because Bush was so bad? Well then came four months of non stop Bush advertising and Kerry going basically dark because he had no cash to spend til General season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Sorry but it's Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:22 AM) Sorry but its Clinton Obama McCain Romney McCain is and will be broke unless he opts out of public financing before he receives any actual money. If Clinton pulls ahead nicely and becomes the presumptive nominee before the convention, it'll be the polar opposite of four years ago. Remember this time four years ago and everyone thought Kerry couldn't lose because Bush was so bad? Well then came four months of non stop Bush advertising and Kerry going basically dark because he had no cash to spend til General season. There are boatloads of Republican money sitting on the sidelines, just waiting for a winner to be identified. If McCain emerges, money will come flying at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:13 AM) Romney can't beat anyone in November, so I'd flip Romney and Obama there. I think the list would be... My resoning was Romney has a much better chance of getting the GOP nomination than Obama getting the Dem. So if he isn'ty going to make step one, it was tough to place him ahead of Romney. Looking at some match ups Clinton - McCain is a race edge Clinton Clinton - Romney is a Clinton winner Obama - McCain is a McCain win Obama - Romney is a race edge Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:36 AM) My resoning was Romney has a much better chance of getting the GOP nomination than Obama getting the Dem. So if he isn'ty going to make step one, it was tough to place him ahead of Romney. Looking at some match ups Clinton - McCain is a race edge Clinton Clinton - Romney is a Clinton winner Obama - McCain is a McCain win Obama - Romney is a race edge Obama Actually, according to the polls I've seen, Clinton and Obama both beat the pants off Romney in a general. McCain is the GOP candidate who has a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:39 AM) Actually, according to the polls I've seen, Clinton and Obama both beat the pants off Romney in a general. McCain is the GOP candidate who has a shot. Agreed. HOWEVER, i think int he general McCain will get ripped apart. Especially his comment he doesnt understand the economy and that there will be "more wars". That wont sit well with a nation that is itching to get out of Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 So... Obama pretty much has no shot now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:46 AM) So... Obama pretty much has no shot now? He hasn't since Hillarity cried in New Hampshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:48 AM) He hasn't since Hillarity cried in New Hampshire. What's it like to be bitter all the time? I don't see anything from the past few days that indicates Obama's any less likely to win than the day he won South Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:39 AM) Actually, according to the polls I've seen, Clinton and Obama both beat the pants off Romney in a general. McCain is the GOP candidate who has a shot. I am projecting what a few months of campagning will do, and the images of the candidates side by side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Hillary's word: It's worth nothing Union Leader in NH bashes Hillary for playing NH as fools. COURTING VOTERS in Iowa and New Hampshire, last August Sen. Hillary Clinton signed a pledge not to "campaign or participate" in the Michigan or Florida Democratic primaries. She participated in both primaries and is campaigning in Florida. Which proves, again, that Hillary Clinton is a liar. Clinton kept her name on the Michigan ballot when others removed theirs, she campaigned this past weekend in Florida, and she is pushing to seat Michigan and Florida delegates at the Democratic National Convention. The party stripped those states of delegates as punishment for moving up their primary dates. "I will try to persuade my delegates to seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida," Clinton said last week, after the New Hampshire primaries and Iowa caucuses were safely over. Clinton coldly and knowingly lied to New Hampshire and Iowa. Her promise was not a vague statement. It was a signed pledge with a clear and unequivocal meaning. She signed it thinking that keeping the other candidates out of Michigan and Florida was to her advantage, but knowing she would break it if that proved beneficial later on. It did, and she did. New Hampshire voters, you were played for suckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Sen. Barack Obama said that he has let former Sen. John Edwards know that he would like his endorsement should Edwards decide to drop out of the race. link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:54 AM) link That's nothing new. Heck, I bet Gravel called Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 Interesting quote from Joe Klein of Time Magazine... "The cynics will say that with Edwards out of the race, a lot of the white working-class people who voted for him will now vote for Hillary Clinton; they'll see it in racial terms," said Time magazine journalist Joe Klein. "On the other hand, you could just as easily say that with Edwards out of the race, those people who are more interested in change who were part of his constituency, will go vote for Obama." He added, "I don't think he endorses Hillary Clinton. The question is whether or not he endorses Barack Obama." So, the voters could go either way, and probably will go both. But, if he endorses, it would be Obama. I guess Obama hopes that Edwards endorses sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Someone tell me, how can they tell the candidates that FL/MI will not count and then consider having them count? That doesn't even sound plausible. Someone needs to explain this to me right now. The thought of Hillary as Pres. makes me a tad queasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:51 AM) What's it like to be bitter all the time? I don't see anything from the past few days that indicates Obama's any less likely to win than the day he won South Carolina. The racial breakdowns are the one big thing that has to worry Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:53 AM) Hillary's word: It's worth nothing Union Leader in NH bashes Hillary for playing NH as fools. Raise your hands if you are surprised by this [crickets] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 10:05 AM) Someone tell me, how can they tell the candidates that FL/MI will not count and then consider having them count? That doesn't even sound plausible. Someone needs to explain this to me right now. The thought of Hillary as Pres. makes me a tad queasy. Well, Hillary doenst care about Michigan. She ignored it when it happened. But Florida is VERY important to not only Clinton, but the Democratic party. Remember 2000 and 2004? Florida was a KEY state. Ohio and Florida where decider states. So, the democratic party can not afford to disenfranchise democratic voters in FL by saying they dont count in the primaries. It might drive them away in a general election, and they need EVERY vote they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 10:06 AM) The racial breakdowns are the one big thing that has to worry Obama. See, and I just dont see it. Yes there is SOME racial divid, but the White votes is close to split 3 ways I think. (correct me if I am wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 10:08 AM) Well, Hillary doenst care about Michigan. She ignored it when it happened. But Florida is VERY important to not only Clinton, but the Democratic party. Remember 2000 and 2004? Florida was a KEY state. Ohio and Florida where decider states. So, the democratic party can not afford to disenfranchise democratic voters in FL by saying they dont count in the primaries. It might drive them away in a general election, and they need EVERY vote they can get. They should have thought about that before ruling that the votes wouldn't count and thus effecting the primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 10:06 AM) The racial breakdowns are the one big thing that has to worry Obama. Its a worry, but, the racial divide wasn't an issue in Iowa or New Hampshire. I think the racial divide ends up helping Obama as much as it hurts him. It will get him votes in the south, but I think it will be less of an issue elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 10:06 AM) The racial breakdowns are the one big thing that has to worry Obama. Probably, but that's not a new development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 10:05 AM) Someone tell me, how can they tell the candidates that FL/MI will not count and then consider having them count? That doesn't even sound plausible. Someone needs to explain this to me right now. The thought of Hillary as Pres. makes me a tad queasy. Basically primaries are run by the parties to select who from their "club" will be the nominee. The laws are rather loose. Kind of like if the Steve9347 Party decided they wanted to field a candidate in the General, that party could choose how they selected their candidate. They could decide to hold primaries or they could decide to go on Springer for a winner take all confrontation and studio vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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