DEM Primaries/Candidates thread

[StrangeSox]

There is absolutely no way Hillary would accept a VP position. She wants the power and the title.

 

I really doubt Obama would tie himself to Hillary like that, but it's at least slightly plausible.

[BigSqwert]

You guys really do believe Obama is going to beat the Clinton machine, don't you?

 

 

I absolutely think he will beat her. Texas will be close and he might actually win. That basically ruins her chances to win the delegate count and there's no way the superdelegates will break for the losing candidate en masse.

 

One of two things will happen.

 

1. Some way, shape or form the Machine will wheel and deal to get the nomination. They'll offer Obama the VP so they can put the token n***** in his place after the inauguration. I predict race riots if this happens.

 

I do not see that happening unless she has the pledged delegate lead. Her chances of getting the lead are slim.

 

2. Obama gets the nomination and Hillary gets VP. A few months into his term, so "white racist skinhead" assasinates Obama. Net Result: Hillary can be POTUS for 11.5 years.

 

No way she will be his VP.

[kapkomet]

Well, I know YAS doesn't feel that way personally, but his point is that this sentiment runs pretty deep, and that's what I was alluding to that both Obama and Hillary have some issues with Texas (and that's just one example).

 

And I will tell you that I'm pretty certain Obama, IF he wins, will not pick Hillary to be his Veep. It won't work.

 

[kapkomet]

And by the way, I *STILL* say Hillary wins this thing. I *DO* think that the superdelagates will still go her way, en masse. The only way that doesn't happen is if Obama just launches her ass on March 4, and I don't think that is going to happen.

[YASNY]

Well, I know YAS doesn't feel that way personally, but his point is that this sentiment runs pretty deep, and that's what I was alluding to that both Obama and Hillary have some issues with Texas (and that's just one example).

 

And I will tell you that I'm pretty certain Obama, IF he wins, will not pick Hillary to be his Veep. It won't work.

 

You read between the lines quite well.

[BigSqwert]

I *DO* think that the superdelagates will still go her way, en masse.

Since Super Tuesday he has gotten more superdelegates then her and a couple of hers have already switched over to him. I'm having trouble understanding why that trend would all of a sudden reverse after he wins Wisconsin, Hawaii and possibly Texas.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Since Super Tuesday he has gotten more superdelegates then her and a couple of hers have already switched over to him. I'm having trouble understanding why that trend would all of a sudden reverse after he wins Wisconsin, Hawaii and possibly Texas.

 

 

It's not that a trend would reverse. The concern is that it is the Washington establishment-types that make up the big bulk of superdelegates, making them potential kingmakers in the kind of smokey backroom deal that would give fellow establishment-type Clinton the nomination despite Obama's winning the popular vote and the regular delegates.

 

An Obama win in Texas might be enough to prevent this ugly situation from happening.

[BigSqwert]

The concern is that it is the Washington establishment-types that make up the big bulk of superdelegates, making them potential kingmakers in the kind of smokey backroom deal that would give fellow establishment-type Clinton the nomination despite Obama's winning the popular vote and the regular delegates.

I couldn't believe that the Democratic Party and Dean would allow something like that to occur. The uproar would be disastrous for the party and would certainly doom any chance of a Dem in the White House in 2009.

[Reddy]

You guys really do believe Obama is going to beat the Clinton machine, don't you? One of two things will happen.

 

1. Some way, shape or form the Machine will wheel and deal to get the nomination. They'll offer Obama the VP so they can put the token n***** in his place after the inauguration. I predict race riots if this happens.

 

2. Obama gets the nomination and Hillary gets VP. A few months into his term, so "white racist skinhead" assasinates Obama. Net Result: Hillary can be POTUS for 11.5 years.

 

I'm leaning toward number 2 as the most likely scenario.

 

Edit to add: I literally typed in n star star star star star ... I just feel the would be the actual Clinton perspective and used that to make that point.

 

... this is just idiocy. I guarantee you that no one in the Hillary camp feels that way. Since when is Hillary Clinton a racist? And saying that she would have someone assassinated is just... wow man. well done.

Edited February 15, 2008 by Reddy

[HuskyCaucasian]

Obama Rising...

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

 

Obama - 48

Clinton - 42

[HuskyCaucasian]

I guarantee you that no one in the Hillary camp feels that way. Since when is Hillary Clinton a racist?

I have no believe any of the Clintons are racist. I agree with you on that point. HOWEVER, I dont think they are above using race to try and gain an edge. See, South Carolina. It backfired, but they tried it.

[Reddy]

I have no believe any of the Clintons are racist. I agree with you on that point. HOWEVER, I dont think they are above using race to try and gain an edge. See, South Carolina. It backfired, but they tried it.

 

oh yeah, of course they'll use dirty tactics to win an election - race being one of them - but to say they'd have him assassinated is asinine.

[HuskyCaucasian]

oh yeah, of course they'll use dirty tactics to win an election - race being one of them - but to say they'd have him assassinated is asinine.

agreed.

I would go a little further and with all the deep south racists, I would say Obama runs a substantial RISK of an assassination attempt. But not by the Clintons.

[YASNY]

I'm just gonna sit here and smile for a while, while you guys flame me. This is just too funny.

[Reddy]

I'm just gonna sit here and smile for a while, while you guys flame me. This is just too funny.

 

dude come on, i know YOU don't believe that s*** but do you really think the Clintons hold those opinions?

 

and on the flaming front - what did you expect? lol

[YASNY]

dude come on, i know YOU don't believe that s*** but do you really think the Clintons hold those opinions?

 

and on the flaming front - what did you expect? lol

 

I expected exactly what is happening.

[Harry Chappas]

It's not that a trend would reverse. The concern is that it is the Washington establishment-types that make up the big bulk of superdelegates, making them potential kingmakers in the kind of smokey backroom deal that would give fellow establishment-type Clinton the nomination despite Obama's winning the popular vote and the regular delegates.

 

An Obama win in Texas might be enough to prevent this ugly situation from happening.

 

The problem with this move is all of the middle of the road people that have voted for Obama and feel that they are screwed over by the democratic party whether true or not can then flock over to McCain. I personally think that if it is close Obama gets the nod as he has brought about a resurgence to the race and is garnering quite a following.

 

This is a primary not a general election the Dems need to put up the most winnable choice. As was pointed out earlier the Republicans can go full bore after Hillary and Slick Willie on a personal level. Something Obama really can not. Obama is still new to the game and has to hold back on attacking the machine.

 

Obama can take a run at the election in 2012 especially if McCain only goes for one term. If the party really pisses off Obama and screws him over he could take his toys and go home. I believe if Hillary runs and losses she is done.

[Reddy]

I expected exactly what is happening.

 

cool.

[Reddy]

The problem with this move is all of the middle of the road people that have voted for Obama and feel that they are screwed over by the democratic party whether true or not can then flock over to McCain. I personally think that if it is close Obama gets the nod as he has brought about a resurgence to the race and is garnering quite a following.

 

This is a primary not a general election the Dems need to put up the most winnable choice. As was pointed out earlier the Republicans can go full bore after Hillary and Slick Willie on a personal level. Something Obama really can not. Obama is still new to the game and has to hold back on attacking the machine.

 

Obama can take a run at the election in 2012 especially if McCain only goes for one term. If the party really pisses off Obama and screws him over he could take his toys and go home. I believe if Hillary runs and losses she is done.

 

what i think is that in a general election, Hillary will be able to fight fire with fire. She'll fight like a muthaf*cka against McCain, and it will be seen as ok because she doesn't have this "nice guy" image she has to maintain like Obama does. Also, everybody already KNOWS the s*** about Clinton so nothing McCain pulls out will hurt her any MORE. With Obama, a lot of people still aren't AWARE of the skeletons in his closet and they'll be able to tear his pristine image to shreds. And they will. And will he be able to fight back while keeping his hopeful optimism? I dunno...

[BigSqwert]

what i think is that in a general election, Hillary will be able to fight fire with fire. She'll fight like a muthaf*cka against McCain, and it will be seen as ok because she doesn't have this "nice guy" image she has to maintain like Obama does. Also, everybody already KNOWS the s*** about Clinton so nothing McCain pulls out will hurt her any MORE. With Obama, a lot of people still aren't AWARE of the skeletons in his closet and they'll be able to tear his pristine image to shreds. And they will. And will he be able to fight back while keeping his hopeful optimism? I dunno...

He seems to be doing quite well without needing to be an attack dog. And remind me how much of an attack dog McCain was in 2000 when he was being smeared.

[HuskyCaucasian]

It's from rasmussen reportsso take this for what it's worth, but...

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Barack Obama with an eight-point lead over Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Today’s results show Obama earning support from 48% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters while Clinton attracts 40%

Edited February 15, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[BigSqwert]

Edwards backers tilt toward Obama.

[FlaSoxxJim]

what i think is that in a general election, Hillary will be able to fight fire with fire. She'll fight like a muthaf*cka against McCain, and it will be seen as ok because she doesn't have this "nice guy" image she has to maintain like Obama does. Also, everybody already KNOWS the s*** about Clinton so nothing McCain pulls out will hurt her any MORE. With Obama, a lot of people still aren't AWARE of the skeletons in his closet and they'll be able to tear his pristine image to shreds. And they will. And will he be able to fight back while keeping his hopeful optimism? I dunno...

 

The ability to fight fire with fire will not come close to offsetting the anti-Clinton vote that will mobilize on behalf of McCain if she gets the nomination.

 

You say everybody already knows Bearing in mind that the Clinton s***, but it's not a question of what McCain could do with that. Keep in mind that 1/3 of the fractuous conservative base – the social conservatives and more specifically the Christian conservatives – are not too keen on the idea of a McCain presidency. The fact that this group turned out in droves to vote for GWB made the difference in the last two elections. If they sit 2008 out and the Dems turned out in the kind if numbers it appears they will, McCain loses by a lot in the general. But all of that potentially falls apart with a Clinton nomination, because the Clinton Penis will again become something the conservative Christians can turn out to vote against if the GOP media machine finds a way to pretend it is an issue.

[Reddy]

He seems to be doing quite well without needing to be an attack dog. And remind me how much of an attack dog McCain was in 2000 when he was being smeared.

 

i'm talking in the general. not right now.

[southsider2k5]

Well, I know YAS doesn't feel that way personally, but his point is that this sentiment runs pretty deep, and that's what I was alluding to that both Obama and Hillary have some issues with Texas (and that's just one example).

 

And I will tell you that I'm pretty certain Obama, IF he wins, will not pick Hillary to be his Veep. It won't work.

 

I don't know to say this gently, but having been immersed in a area for college, that looked completely like me, there are lots of people in this country who don't see past race. Most of you all are from pretty diverse areas around Chicago, and haven't really experienced that, but let me tell you first hand that it does exist in our country today.